At the 2:10 mark of the second half of the UL/UNI game Rozier dribbled into front court then put one foot back into back court while the ball was in the air with maybe 10% of the ball hovering over the line in mid dribble. I was listening to Westwood One radio while watching TV and the radio announcer said it was a blown call because the ref didn't call Over and Back. Then I rewound the VCR to see what the TV announcer said: he said it was a good call because the player and ball were not both yet in front court. I've read the rule but it is a little vague. Is the mid court line treated like a football end zone line in that the ball must completely break the plane before it is considered to be in the front court? I hope someone more knowledgeable than I can answer this. It can make fans look ignorant sometimes.
Somebody explain the over-and-back rule.
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You must have both feet and the ball over the line and then go back across it. Rozier was not over and back.
True, but just to nitpick, you don't have to actually go "over" the line once you've established position over the half-court line. Just barely touching it qualifies. Sort of like tennis, even though 99.9% of the ball is out, if only .1% is on the line, it's "in".
While it takes the entire ball and both feet to cross into front court to establish entry into the front court then, just as any other boundary on the court, if any part of the ball or player touch the half court line then it is considered a violation and the ball is turned over to the other team.
This post was edited on 3/23 12:27 AM by TheThack
This post was edited on 3/23 12:27 AM by TheThack
The ball and both feet must be entirely in the front court to establish front court position. In that game, both feet crossed the line, but the ball did not entirely cross, so the player was free to retreat into the backcourt without it being a violation.
Having part of the ball cross over isn't enough. The same is true for part of a foot.
Having part of the ball cross over isn't enough. The same is true for part of a foot.
The rule is actually pretty simple. Once you are established in the front court--which means BOTH feet AND the ball over the line--the line then becomes an out-of-bounds line, meaning you can't touch it with feet or the ball.
The rule is actually pretty simple. Once you are established in the front court--which means BOTH feet AND the ball over the line--the line then becomes an out-of-bounds line, meaning you can't touch it with feet or the ball.
Just as a point of clarification, once a player is established in the front court, the half court line doesn't function the same way as the other out of bounds lines do. The offense or defense could tip the ball back over the line and it wouldn't result in a dead ball, as it would with the other boundaries.
Ugoff posted on 3/22/2015...
Just as a point of clarification, once a
player is established in the front court, the half court line doesn't
function the same way as the other out of bounds lines do. The offense
or defense could tip the ball back over the line and it wouldn't result
in a dead ball, as it would with the other boundaries.
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Just as a point of clarification, once a
player is established in the front court, the half court line doesn't
function the same way as the other out of bounds lines do. The offense
or defense could tip the ball back over the line and it wouldn't result
in a dead ball, as it would with the other boundaries.
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Also if a guy is in the front court with the ball and a guy jumps from the backcourt to the frontcourt and is thrown the ball before he lands on the frontcourt can be called for backcourt. The same thing for out of bounds. You can't jump from out of bounds and catch the ball in mid air before landing in bounds. Where ever you feet were legally established last is where you will be considered to have been.
This post was edited on 3/23 4:41 PM by wldktz8
The guys have already explained it so I'll spare you the time of reading it once more. The officials got the call right, Rozier did not go over and back...
I will say that UL is fortunate that the officials got it right, as strange as that sounds. That is a call that I'd venture to say they get wrong probably 8 out 10 times just due to the fact that it looks like it was and over-and-back violation. It was surprisingly good officiating is what I'm trying to say. Typically once both feet cross completely, if one of them goes back over the ref is going to call you for a backcourt violation because all the focus is normally on the feet, not the ball. This ref was able to determine that the ball had not yet crossed the line and therefore knew not to make the call when Rozier stepped back over. A good no-call for the official during a split-second play.
I will say that UL is fortunate that the officials got it right, as strange as that sounds. That is a call that I'd venture to say they get wrong probably 8 out 10 times just due to the fact that it looks like it was and over-and-back violation. It was surprisingly good officiating is what I'm trying to say. Typically once both feet cross completely, if one of them goes back over the ref is going to call you for a backcourt violation because all the focus is normally on the feet, not the ball. This ref was able to determine that the ball had not yet crossed the line and therefore knew not to make the call when Rozier stepped back over. A good no-call for the official during a split-second play.
You guys are almost correct about the backcourt violation. The player (feet) must also be on the ground.
See if any know this.....
When is the ball considered to be in frontcourt if the ball is passed from backcourt to frontcourt and crosses the line in the air?
See if any know this.....
When is the ball considered to be in frontcourt if the ball is passed from backcourt to frontcourt and crosses the line in the air?
So what constitutes the ball being in front court. Does the referee have to position himself directly at midcourt and see that the entire ball has passed into front court. What if Rozier had picked up his dribble but clearly was holding the ball over the line still into backcourt. Could he still move his non pivot foot back across the line. If that's the case wouldn't the 10 second count continue?
It's as simple as the man above said. To be a backcourt violation both feet and the ball have to be entirely in the front court first before stepping on or over the line or losing the ball in the backcourt. If a defender knocks the ball off of the offensive player and the offensive player is the first to touch it in the backcourt, it is a violation.
Hey I don't think anyone said this yet, but it's pretty simple: both feet and the ball must be established in the frontcourt, then the line becomes like an out of bound line... Can't even barely touch it.
I will guess and say that when it is touched by another player (either a teammate or an opponent) who has already established front court position. That is, it is not enough to simply throw the ball across the half-court line in order to avoid a 10-second call. The ball must be safely across the line, which can only be established by two feet and the ball fully in the front court. Of course, if it is touched by an opponent, the point is moot.
If the ball is in the air in the front court and the ref has reached a count of 10, it is a violation. An offensive player has to have possession of the ball in frontcourt.
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