Some facts for those who dont understand college football

[TTU/UK fan]

Bad games happen

2012:
ULL: 20
Florida: 27

Florida went on to a 11-1 regular season and scored 112 more points than it's SEC opponents. While barely beating ULL and BGSU the same year.

If youre legit concerned over 1 game in which we WON because we fell asleep against a team we took too lightly, please think for a few minutes.

-We were missing 3 key defensive players
-New plays
-We had first time starters
-Towles left 3-4 TDs on the field with bad passes
-It wasn't just a normal non-power 5 RB, but one who will be on an NFL team
-ULL obviously knows how to win(the 9 Win seasons the last few years)
-Boom only got 8 carries
-Kentucky left what I estimated, 32 points out there. (4 over/underthrown, 1 Field Goal, 1 Extra pt)
- It started as a blowout, we relaxed too early, lost all momentemum.

I'm just throwing these out there, if you think Its just that we still stink, that's perfectly fine but I disagree and I think we will still shock some people this year. I guess I'm one of the few who EXPECTED this game to be a little messy with all of the new plays and players.

 

[thepip]

Well, you got one thing right, "some of us were shocked"

 

[CCSteamRoller]

The main thing I'm concerned about is QB accuracy. The rest of the issues will be resolved. I don't know how the coaches can fix the accuracy problem.

 

[optimus-blue]

You are dead on with every point you made. You can add 2 of top 3 OLB and 2 of top 4 inside Lbs had never played a snap till Saturday in a college game .

 

[rolaid]

I agree with all of OP points...my concern is LOS. Games are won & lost there. Outside of Booms run we tried to run 12 times on first down...we got 25 yards on those carries. That's pitiful

On defense...we got zero pressure from our front 3 or 4. We still have a ways to go recruiting and developing D lineman

Now I understand College Football.

 

[TnKat]

Did you hear the announcers in the first half say the UL-L coach said this game would be a game of adjustments? Well, they made the adjustments and we couldn't handle it. We got out coached, plain and simple. It's Kentucky. Don't expect too much. At least we got the win. And, yes some of us do understand a little something about college football, especially Kentucky college football. I've been trying to understand it since the '50s. Thats why I love 1977 so much.

 

[bthaunert]

The biggest concern to me as at what point when your QB continuously leaves 3-4 TD's on the field do you question if he is the guy or not. I don't consider leaving it on the field if it's a pattern. If it's a not a pattern and he had an off game with some uncharacteristic throws, then ues, I would agree we left them out there. He has to improve his accuracy if we want a shot at a good season.

As for Boom, he had 10 carries for 135 yards (108 of them on 2 carries and 27 yards on 8 carries).

I am by no means a "sky is falling" guy, and I agree that we were missing some key peices and have a lot of young guys playing. But there are some legit concerns out there that need to improve going into this week for us to have a chance to win.

 

[kydan64]

Whew, the wait is over! Now, thanks to the OP, I finally understand college football.

 

[JustthefaxMa'am]

It's only been one game. How do you know that wasn't our good game?

 

[Johnfarrel]

Boom averaged 3.4 yards/carry on the 8 carries for 27 yards.
McGuire netted 86 yards on 27 carries for the entire game for an average of 3.2 yards/carry. On those 8 carries Boom did better than McGuire for the entire game. Kentucky's plan was to take McGuire out of the game and they did.

 

[JPFisher]

Technically, we're down two extra linebackers with the transfer of Hendrix and with Kobie Walker rehabbing from surgery. Kobie was expected to contribute a lot.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

ULL put their backs out there man-man often with the intention of stopping the run and mixing in blitzes. Boom is a big play guy. While I appreciate fans providing the stats for his 8 carries that did not exceed 30 yards, I remember NFL fans doing the same with Barry Sanders. If Boom had not already demonstrated he has elite potential to break big plays, I might be more inclined to worry. But, he did this repeatedly last year.

Now, PT has got to take better more consistent advantage of teams gearing up to stop Boom.

I also think Horton is going to get better and better. He ran very hard on two crucial 8-9 yard runs. He is such a nice compliment to Boom. I think getting those two in the same class will look brilliant when we look back some day.

 

[Mojocat]

It was basically an 11 minute stretch where the run defense looked awful - but that was against basically option football, and everyone says that's difficult to prepare for. The rest of the game the D looked good, or good enough.

I'm more concerned with Towles' accuracy.

 

[martycat1]

It was the first game and the timing was off. That will be corrected.

 

[KentuckyRLD]

Bad games happen

2012:
ULL: 20
Florida: 27

Florida went on to a 11-1 regular season and scored 112 more points than it's SEC opponents. While barely beating ULL and BGSU the same year.

If youre legit concerned over 1 game in which we WON because we fell asleep against a team we took too lightly, please think for a few minutes.

-We were missing 3 key defensive players
-New plays
-We had first time starters
-Towles left 3-4 TDs on the field with bad passes
-It wasn't just a normal non-power 5 RB, but one who will be on an NFL team
-ULL obviously knows how to win(the 9 Win seasons the last few years)
-Boom only got 8 carries
-Kentucky left what I estimated, 32 points out there. (4 over/underthrown, 1 Field Goal, 1 Extra pt)
- It started as a blowout, we relaxed too early, lost all momentemum.

I'm just throwing these out there, if you think Its just that we still stink, that's perfectly fine but I disagree and I think we will still shock some people this year. I guess I'm one of the few who EXPECTED this game to be a little messy with all of the new plays and players.

It really doesn't matter what points you bring up. You may well be right in each individual one you make. However, here are a couple of things to consider. What Florida did in another season has absolutely nothing to do with the UK-ULL game. ULL is a team UK should have dominated from beginning to end. If you take a team too lightly in the first game of the year with a full stadium and excitement running at a fever pitch, then there is something definitely and majorly wrong with the program. And, by the way, that Florida team was loaded. This UK team is not.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

In other words, we can assume the worst, but do not attempt to assume the best. Got it!

 

[bigblueinsanity]

If Towles had been sharp, we have probably 21-42 points more on the board. Our offensive scheme was good. People were open. Towles just missed.

That was a good team. Theyve won 9 games the last 4 year I think? Their HC was in consideration for big name jobs last year. Lets not act like theyre 1AA quality.

 

[zcats]

Boom averaged 3.4 yards/carry on the 8 carries for 27 yards.
McGuire netted 86 yards on 27 carries for the entire game for an average of 3.2 yards/carry. On those 8 carries Boom did better than McGuire for the entire game. Kentucky's plan was to take McGuire out of the game and they did.

I don't understand this statement. Boom had 10 carries for 135 yards averaging 13.5 ypc. Why did you omit his biggest runs? Why not his worst plays? What is the point?

 

[SaguaroCat]

I don't understand this statement. Boom had 10 carries for 135 yards averaging 13.5 ypc. Why did you omit his biggest runs? Why not his worst plays? What is the point?

I kind of get this. One run might inflate a running backs yards per carry. I always point to Josh Clemmons. He had one 80 yard carry his freshman year. After that he averaged 3 yards over the other 63 carries. Not a feature back.

But that's one carry over a whole season. To take away 20 percent and STILL be averaging 3.4? That's a great freaking game. That's still moving the chains.

 

[UKWinsAgainYep]

ULL put their backs out there man-man often with the intention of stopping the run and mixing in blitzes. Boom is a big play guy. While I appreciate fans providing the stats for his 8 carries that did not exceed 30 yards, I remember NFL fans doing the same with Barry Sanders. If Boom had not already demonstrated he has elite potential to break big plays, I might be more inclined to worry. But, he did this repeatedly last year.

Now, PT has got to take better more consistent advantage of teams gearing up to stop Boom.

I also think Horton is going to get better and better. He ran very hard on two crucial 8-9 yard runs. He is such a nice compliment to Boom. I think getting those two in the same class will look brilliant when we look back some day.

PT will never be the QB we want. He does not have it. He's had plenty of time to prove it. It's not going to happen. I hope Barker is better.

 

[Blueaz]

....IF we were Florida....

 

[Stonewall12]

Boom should of at least had 10 more carries.

All the RBs should of had more carries.

 

[TTU/UK fan]

Towles was off, that's forsure, but im hoping it was just a bad game, I just find it hard to believe that Towles got worse.

 

[ram1955]

PT will never be the QB we want. He does not have it. He's had plenty of time to prove it. It's not going to happen. I hope Barker is better.

I heard the same thing about Derrick Ramsey, Randy Jenkins, Freddie Maggard, Dusty Bonner, Andre Woodson , Hartline, etc.... some did better than others, but ALL became better with experience.

Towles may not get it done, but I don't think he's had either the time or the supporting cast to this point to prove it. Don't forget, this is only the beginning of his second year of leading the team. If Barker was better, he'd be starting.

 

[WhiteCityCat1]

It really doesn't matter what points you bring up. You may well be right in each individual one you make. However, here are a couple of things to consider. What Florida did in another season has absolutely nothing to do with the UK-ULL game. ULL is a team UK should have dominated from beginning to end. If you take a team too lightly in the first game of the year with a full stadium and excitement running at a fever pitch, then there is something definitely and majorly wrong with the program. And, by the way, that Florida team was loaded. This UK team is not.

I was loaded by the end of the game.Whew.

 

[How Blue Can You Get?]

Bad games happen

2012:
ULL: 20
Florida: 27

Florida went on to a 11-1 regular season and scored 112 more points than it's SEC opponents. While barely beating ULL and BGSU the same year.

If youre legit concerned over 1 game in which we WON because we fell asleep against a team we took too lightly, please think for a few minutes.

-We were missing 3 key defensive players
-New plays
-We had first time starters
-Towles left 3-4 TDs on the field with bad passes
-It wasn't just a normal non-power 5 RB, but one who will be on an NFL team
-ULL obviously knows how to win(the 9 Win seasons the last few years)
-Boom only got 8 carries
-Kentucky left what I estimated, 32 points out there. (4 over/underthrown, 1 Field Goal, 1 Extra pt)
- It started as a blowout, we relaxed too early, lost all momentemum.

I'm just throwing these out there, if you think Its just that we still stink, that's perfectly fine but I disagree and I think we will still shock some people this year. I guess I'm one of the few who EXPECTED this game to be a little messy with all of the new plays and players.

but it's not the score that worries me. It was A. our line play on both sides of the ball. Even when we were scoring big, I was watching thinking "sec lines are gonna destroy us." and B. it was the way we started tightening up and choking when they started making their comeback. Very disconcerting to say the least.

 

[Cawood86]

You really going to compare this roster to UF roster that went 11-1? Lost me there.

 

[Rhavicc]

You really going to compare this roster to UF roster that went 11-1? Lost me there.

He's making a point, tool. You may have just helped him make it. How did little ole' ULL even keep it close with the 2012 UF roster? Maybe because it was the first game of the season, and it doesn't carry much weight (unless you lose, which only has W/L column implications).
Has nothing to do with this team compared to Florida. It has everything to do with superior teams having bad games (or just bad halves in the case of UK here). People here are overblowing this in a bad way.
They keep it close to Florida, and they go on to have that kind of season. They keep it close to Kentucky, and many want to act like the sky is falling. The coaches are fine with it, why can't you all be? We won. Its your losers mentality that won't let you get over it.

 

[Rhavicc]

but it's not the score that worries me. It was A. our line play on both sides of the ball. Even when we were scoring big, I was watching thinking "sec lines are gonna destroy us." and B. it was the way we started tightening up and choking when they started making their comeback. Very disconcerting to say the least.

No, the line was not getting blown off the ball when we were scoring. I watched the game again this morning. After several touchdowns, the first words from the analysts mouths were "Great blocking here by the offensive line" or the wide receivers in some cases, followed by a replay that shows good blocking. Stop exaggerating.

 

[SanAntonioCat]

The loser's culture lives on......

 

[ktbug]

Amazing how many new faces are on here to complain. I guess since their team is 0-1, they are more interested in the Cats.

 

[HedleyLamarr]

That Florida team went (ahem)11-2 and had a few close games, despite being loaded with talent. The ULL game was actually late in the season, following the loss to Georgia. ULL is a solid, well coached team with good talent, so it's a little soon for so much discontent. They may look a good bit sharper against USC.

 

[uk_king_cat2]

You really going to compare this roster to UF roster that went 11-1? Lost me there.

You are lost....That Florida team was a better team and almost lost to a good ULL team. What he is saying is that good teams can have a slow or bad night.

 

[TotesMcGotes]

I heard the same thing about Derrick Ramsey, Randy Jenkins, Freddie Maggard, Dusty Bonner, Andre Woodson , Hartline, etc.... some did better than others, but ALL became better with experience.

Towles may not get it done, but I don't think he's had either the time or the supporting cast to this point to prove it. Don't forget, this is only the beginning of his second year of leading the team. If Barker was better, he'd be starting.

Heck it took Woodson until the middle of his 2nd full year as a starter until things really starting clicking. Pat had a better soph year than any QB at KY in recent memory besides Tim couch who is the best QB to don a KY uniform in the modern football era. the kid will iron out the kinks. i believe he will get lots better over the course of the season

 

[Tskware]

No one is disputing that good teams have bad games, and that we won anyway, the season is not over, blah, blah, blah, we all get that. I still don't understand the hand wringing over the offense, hell, you can't expect a 50 or 60 point night most games. As you say, ULL is not the worst team on our schedule, we will play at least two weaker teams, and maybe three (cough, cough. . . Vandy)

Problem is, Kentucky has a very long history of playing bad defense, especially run defense, and no one can convince me that what we saw on Saturday night gave any indication that this year will be different.

Unless Johnson, Hatcher, and Flannigan get back in the lineup and are really really improved over last year, we are just going to have to outscore teams, just like usual.

 

[Mojocat]

Problem is, Kentucky has a very long history of playing bad defense, especially run defense, and no one can convince me that what we saw on Saturday night gave any indication that this year will be different.

Unless Johnson, Hatcher, and Flannigan get back in the lineup and are really really improved over last year, we are just going to have to outscore teams, just like usual.

Could be right - historically speaking, that's the smart position to take. But we played one way on Defense for 49 minutes, and another way for 11 minutes. ULL had 479 yards of offense, and 212 came in that 11 minute stretch (at precisely the same point in the game when, conveniently, our offense decided to take a break). Take away that 3/4 of a quarter, and they had 267 yards of total offense.Which is a pretty good pace. IOW I'm willing to take a chance and believe that the "real" UK defense was the one we saw for 49 minutes......

 

[Mojocat]

I heard the same thing about Derrick Ramsey, Randy Jenkins, Freddie Maggard, Dusty Bonner, Andre Woodson , Hartline, etc.... some did better than others, but ALL became better with experience.

Towles may not get it done, but I don't think he's had either the time or the supporting cast to this point to prove it. Don't forget, this is only the beginning of his second year of leading the team. If Barker was better, he'd be starting.

That may be right, I hope it is right. But the one thing PT lacks is accuracy, and that's the one thing you don't really develop with more time and experience. As the OC has said, when it comes to accuracy, you either have it or you don't....

 

[Cawood86]

He's making a point, tool. You may have just helped him make it. How did little ole' ULL even keep it close with the 2012 UF roster? Maybe because it was the first game of the season, and it doesn't carry much weight (unless you lose, which only has W/L column implications).
Has nothing to do with this team compared to Florida. It has everything to do with superior teams having bad games (or just bad halves in the case of UK here). People here are overblowing this in a bad way.
They keep it close to Florida, and they go on to have that kind of season. They keep it close to Kentucky, and many want to act like the sky is falling. The coaches are fine with it, why can't you all be? We won. Its your losers mentality that won't let you get over it.

Why oh why did you have to call me a tool? Is it not possible to disagree without being this way?

 

[TACcat7]

Some people

Could be right - historically speaking, that's the smart position to take. But we played one way on Defense for 49 minutes, and another way for 11 minutes. ULL had 479 yards of offense, and 212 came in that 11 minute stretch (at precisely the same point in the game when, conveniently, our offense decided to take a break). Take away that 3/4 of a quarter, and they had 267 yards of total offense.Which is a pretty good pace. IOW I'm willing to take a chance and believe that the "real" UK defense was the one we saw for 49 minutes......

exactly! For nearly the entire game UK held in check an NFL running back and really contained him for the whole game. People get on here an complain about the defense for a quarter. Ok, but discount the othe t3 quarters. Conveniently the offense fell asleep. If they didn't the outcome would've been different.

 

[Cawood86]

You are lost....That Florida team was a better team and almost lost to a good ULL team. What he is saying is that good teams can have a slow or bad night.

My point is that UK doesn't have the margin for error or enough talent to be compared to a team that went 11-1. I'm hoping they drastically improve but there are very valid concerns