So You Think College Football is Tilted in Talent to the SEC?

[The-Hack]

Averaging all ACC Classes on Rivals, and including Notre Dame’s Top 10 Class, the 15 schools average the 48th ranked recruiting class in the nation.

Vandy had the 31st ranked recruiting class in the nation.

Florida, bringing up the rear, finished 14th in the SEC, 42nd in the nation and 6 slots ahead of the average ACC class.

 

[JC CATS]

Averaging all ACC Classes on Rivals, and including Notre Dame’s Top 10 Class, the 15 schools average the 48th ranked recruiting class in the nation.

Vandy had the 31st ranked recruiting class in the nation.

Florida, bringing up the rear, finished 14th in the SEC, 42nd in the nation and 6 slots ahead of the average ACC class.

Vanderbilt outrecruited UF? Alternate universe

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Vanderbilt outrecruited UF? Alternate universe

To be fair UF only signed 11, averaged 3.55 in rivals. No idea what the plan for Feb signing day is or portal plan is, but the 11 they signed had some good ones in it unfortunately.

 

[The-Hack]

the 11 they signed had some good ones in it unfortunately.

Yeah, but that reinforces the point of the thread.

Excluding Notre Dame from the calculation drops the average ACC class to 50th!!

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Yeah, but that reinforces the point of the thread.

Excluding Notre Dame from the calculation drops the average ACC class to 50th!!

Just saying UF's class wasn't worse than Vandy's. They picked up Kimber out of the portal today from us, was 107 player in 20 class I believe.

 

[Deeeefense]

The SEC puts a lot more players in the NFL than any other conference. That says it all right there.

 

[vhcat70]

Averaging all ACC Classes on Rivals, and including Notre Dame’s Top 10 Class, the 15 schools average the 48th ranked recruiting class in the nation.

Vandy had the 31st ranked recruiting class in the nation.

Florida, bringing up the rear, finished 14th in the SEC, 42nd in the nation and 6 slots ahead of the average ACC class.

What point are you trying to make that we here don't know?

 

[The-Hack]

What point are you trying to make that we here don't know?

The talent is being more compressed into the SEC than even 5 years, ago!!

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

The talent is being more compressed into the SEC than even 5 years, ago!!

I may be wrong but this is how it seems to me. In the Southeast, and I think you can go west to Texas, football is just more important. Colleges out west seem to be ok with having a team but it's no bigger deal than volleyball except at a couple places. Big10 is about half and half. ACC has 3-4 teams that want to win like BIG 10. But in SEC winning 10 games or a NC in the last r years don't keep a coach safe. As best I can tell, 5 teams are expecting to win the SEC East in 22, and I suspect at least 2 expect to win the west. Everyone isn't going to be happy, my guess is UT if Chumlee follows his history.

 

[The-Hack]

and I think you can go west to Texas,

And Oklahoma.

 

[vhcat70]

The talent is being more compressed into the SEC than even 5 years, ago!!

Oh, we didn't know that. Thanks. LOL.

 

[Sawnee Cat]

I may be wrong but this is how it seems to me. In the Southeast, and I think you can go west to Texas, football is just more important. Colleges out west seem to be ok with having a team but it's no bigger deal than volleyball except at a couple places. Big10 is about half and half. ACC has 3-4 teams that want to win like BIG 10. But in SEC winning 10 games or a NC in the last r years don't keep a coach safe. As best I can tell, 5 teams are expecting to win the SEC East in 22, and I suspect at least 2 expect to win the west. Everyone isn't going to be happy, my guess is UT if Chumlee follows his history.

This is the answer. It is much more important than any other part of the nation.

 

[Deeeefense]

The other things that drive more talent to the SEC is the demographics and migratory trends.
SEC states like Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia have huge African American populations whereas states like Iowa and Wisconsin have less than 2%. Also over the years industrialization of the Midwest has declined and in some cases shifted to the south like automobile manufacturing, this has driven a lot of people from those states to relocate to the the south, especially to Texas and Georgia.

 

[vhcat70]

I may be wrong but this is how it seems to me. In the Southeast, and I think you can go west to Texas, football is just more important. Colleges out west seem to be ok with having a team but it's no bigger deal than volleyball except at a couple places. Big10 is about half and half. ACC has 3-4 teams that want to win like BIG 10. But in SEC winning 10 games or a NC in the last r years don't keep a coach safe. As best I can tell, 5 teams are expecting to win the SEC East in 22, and I suspect at least 2 expect to win the west. Everyone isn't going to be happy, my guess is UT if Chumlee follows his history.

Yes. Correlates pretty close to red states. I mean UT is only thru & thru red state in PAC12, has the PAC12's smallest population, & wins the PAC12 !! Is there a better explanation for it?

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

And Oklahoma.

I was thinking more alone the lines of geography and the state of Texas being the boundry instead of the Lonehorns.

 

[optimus-blue]

Yes. Correlates pretty close to red states. I mean UT is only thru & thru red state in PAC12, has the PAC12's smallest population, & wins the PAC12 !! Is there a better explanation for it?

Well by that theory why are 20 of the 32 NFL teams in blue states ?Does it mean more ? Why then are most of the NFLteams in "Blue " cities? Why do crowds in most of the Red States Colleges appear as likely Red voters yet they cheer Teams made up of mostly Blue voters ? LOL you want to go down that rabbit hole watch college coaches waiver more than politicians ! Go ahead bring in NIL money in Red States but only give it to "red athletes " who promise not to kneel. Alice you bring Red politics to sports and you will regret bringing the subject up . Like the age old jokes about Baptists who are against alcohol but drink in secret the Red crowds cheering for Blue players in tuscaloosa and Utah is quite amusing and ironic. Please just leave the red and blue crap in the ether will all know hangs over everything but we ignore to try to get along.

 

[katwest]

The SEC is and always has been the toughest conference in the land from top to bottom. They have had the most players in the NFL for years, anytime the NFL looks for defensive linemen they go to the SEC. Football in the south has always been huge, other coaches can talk about our preconference schedules being easier than theirs but when you play an SEC schedule you might understand why. In reality they are no easier than any other team's schedule.

 

[gamecockcat]

I think you could pick the top few teams outside of the SEC and create a super conference and let the others do something else. Realistically, 99% of the time the best team will be in that group of 25 or so every single year. I mean, is Oregon State or Rutgers that much better than UCF or MAC schools? They don't support it like SEC, TX, Clemson, Socal, etc do. Whether it gets to that, who knows? From an athletics/revenue standpoint, how much does Vandy contribute to the SEC?

 

[WildcatofNati]

The other things that drive more talent to the SEC is the demographics and migratory trends.
SEC states like Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia have huge African American populations whereas states like Iowa and Wisconsin have less than 2%. Also over the years industrialization of the Midwest has declined and in some cases shifted to the south like automobile manufacturing, this has driven a lot of people from those states to relocate to the the south, especially to Texas and Georgia.

None of which excuses the ACC from recent poor recruiting; most of the ACC is in the South.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Averaging all ACC Classes on Rivals, and including Notre Dame’s Top 10 Class, the 15 schools average the 48th ranked recruiting class in the nation.

Vandy had the 31st ranked recruiting class in the nation.

Florida, bringing up the rear, finished 14th in the SEC, 42nd in the nation and 6 slots ahead of the average ACC class.

I'm not a fan of grading classes this way. The classes average rating is far more important.

 

[vhcat70]

Well by that theory why are 20 of the 32 NFL teams in blue states ?Does it mean more ? Why then are most of the NFLteams in "Blue " cities? Why do crowds in most of the Red States Colleges appear as likely Red voters yet they cheer Teams made up of mostly Blue voters ? LOL you want to go down that rabbit hole watch college coaches waiver more than politicians ! Go ahead bring in NIL money in Red States but only give it to "red athletes " who promise not to kneel. Alice you bring Red politics to sports and you will regret bringing the subject up . Like the age old jokes about Baptists who are against alcohol but drink in secret the Red crowds cheering for Blue players in tuscaloosa and Utah is quite amusing and ironic. Please just leave the red and blue crap in the ether will all know hangs over everything but we ignore to try to get along.

It's not a theory that CFB, not NFL, is more important in red states. NFL has teams where the money is & teams move to where more money is. Doesn't happen with CFB - again, why it means more where there are fewer NFL teams - red states. Red state voters don't discriminate against blue voters vs. the other way around - if you want to go down the politics rabbit hole. But I'm not bringing politics to sports, again, just observing a correlation.

 

[WildcatofNati]

Not that it matters, but there aren't 20 NFL teams in "blue states" anyway; one election doesn't determine whether a state is "blue" or "red". There are 12 teams in blue states (including D.C.).

 

[optimus-blue]

Thats not a correlation thats your personal observation . Go look up a article written about Harvard versus Bama in 1933 . The implications of North vs South winners versus losers and all the baggage with that game and the subsequent rise of “Bama “ as the flag bearer of southern cause came with the outcome . The rebel flags to state flags ect ect in same period . Col Reb at ole Mis and other SEC schools . Then race came into play in 60’s with desegregation and the rabid fan bases have had to hold their collective noses and cheer I guess because it means more to win than it does to keep up the farce of separate but equal . No different now lol the red state schools will cheer for kids that gladly kneel to point out social injustice while their cheering angry red staters vow never to watch again ( lol never happens unless they lose ) . You can say it means more but really it only means more if they win and make their fan bases feel like winners. This despite the overall economic and social injustice issues that plague the very players the red staters cheer in the geographical confines of the red state stadiums. Lol you can bet the schools and coaches know exactly why its so ironic and a subject no sane person wants to allow to derail the golden goose of college athletics .

 

[optimus-blue]

Not that it matters, but there aren't 20 NFL teams in "blue states" anyway; one election doesn't determine whether a state is "blue" or "red". There are 12 teams in blue states (including D.C.).

If it didn’t matter why did you feel the need to try to point out 1 election doesn’t make a state blue . Lol the argument easily then turns to area’s with greater population , social diversity and economic advantages have pro teams and vote blue and one election here or there can’t make them red .

 

[JBHolmesfan]

Amazing stat. The SEC dominance will be evident yet again come draft day as it always is.

 

[JHB4UK]

How dominant would Bama really be in recent years if Florida State & Miami were serious programs & kept the best players home. Add in Texas & Oklahoma protecting the best Texas kids, So Cal & Oregon keeping the best West coast talent out there.

It isn't just the best football players are in SEC states, problem has been the states with the best talent are home to mediocre coaches & programs.

Georgia's best offensive player is a TE from Cali. Bama build explosive offense from South Florida wideouts. Ohio State mines Texas for all the athletes not growing in the cold midwest.

 

[yoshukai]

Yeah, but that reinforces the point of the thread.

Excluding Notre Dame from the calculation drops the average ACC class to 50th!!

And they should be excluded . Didn’t they only play in it 1 year ?

 

[Madcat62]

Averaging all ACC Classes on Rivals, and including Notre Dame’s Top 10 Class, the 15 schools average the 48th ranked recruiting class in the nation.

Vandy had the 31st ranked recruiting class in the nation.

Florida, bringing up the rear, finished 14th in the SEC, 42nd in the nation and 6 slots ahead of the average ACC class.

and when they get the feb. signings they will rise up the ladder with us not getting any late commitments we will fall to 15 or as far as 20 florida finish
close to us.

 

[The-Hack]

and when they get the feb. signings they will rise up the ladder with us not getting any late commitments we will fall to 15 or as far as 20 florida finish
close to us.

Maybe, but that will help neither the ACC, nor the rest of the college football world.

 

[The-Hack]

I'm not a fan of grading classes this way. The classes average rating is far more important.

Yep.

But every conference has schools who sign fewer numbers and get pummeled in the overall rankings. But do the average recruiting rating, and you get roughly the same outcome as in the conference comparison I have done.

Wake Forest inked 13, and Florida 12 recruits (to date).

Neither could hope to be Top 20 with such small classes.

Both are at or near the bottom of their respective conferences rankings.

Yet Florida is 40th, and Wake is 73rd, as Florida’s average recruit rating is much higher.

 

[The-Hack]

Oh, we didn't know that. Thanks. LOL.

Just doing what I can, vhcat70!!

There are posters of all different ages and levels of knowledge, here. [Some are even basketball fans, primarily].

 

[hmt5000]

I may be wrong but this is how it seems to me. In the Southeast, and I think you can go west to Texas, football is just more important. Colleges out west seem to be ok with having a team but it's no bigger deal than volleyball except at a couple places. Big10 is about half and half. ACC has 3-4 teams that want to win like BIG 10. But in SEC winning 10 games or a NC in the last r years don't keep a coach safe. As best I can tell, 5 teams are expecting to win the SEC East in 22, and I suspect at least 2 expect to win the west. Everyone isn't going to be happy, my guess is UT if Chumlee follows his history.

Add in Ohio. I think Ohio is 4th or 5th in producing nfl players. Fl, Ga, Tex and maybe Cali or OH for 4th or 5th. They will redshirt freshmen in hs to let them mature for varsity football. They take it as serious as anyone.

 

[VT/UK Rondo]

It's not just recruiting numbers and talent. The SEC has the best coaches and assistants that really develope players as well. FSU, Miami, UNC all land good recruits from the South they just can't do anything with them.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Add in Ohio. I think Ohio is 4th or 5th in producing nfl players. Fl, Ga, Tex and maybe Cali or OH for 4th or 5th. They will redshirt freshmen in hs to let them mature for varsity football. They take it as serious as anyone.

Georgia has been doing that for years. My son's kindergarten class, every male went to pre first grade instead of first grade. It's unbelievable the amount of recruiting going on, kids move mid day, morning practice at one school. Get upset. Afternoon practice at school number 2. Before high school has 2 game fields. Varsity and Jr Varsity, a Jr Varsity player better not step on the Varsity field unless invited by a coach or team captain. Most of the Falcon and Atlanta coach's kids go there. Until UGA got their new facilities they had a larger weight room. The county has exploded in population growth the last 20 years. What was pastures are now gated communities with 800k+ houses so close together you can barely walk between them. I had a friend who's family had lived on a little farm for 150 years that were being forced to sell because he couldn't afford the property tax. But that's how a program affords facilities like Buford. It's where the people who work in those tall buildings in Atlanta live.