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So, did Shadeur fall because he's just not that great of a prospect or because of the circus that Deion will likely bring? Or both?

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Thoughts?

Ward was selected #1 and very few NFL insiders think he's a franchise talent. QBs almost always get drafted too early. So, why the fall (some expected this to occur) for Shadeur, who is widely regarded as the 2nd best QB in, admittedly, a weak QB class?
 
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^Surely no one is going to let him run very often, though, right? My biggest concern on the field would be how does he look when he's not throwing to Travis Hunter? He had some stretches in both seasons where he made poor decisions. Didn't throw a lot of picks, which is great, but didn't always throw to the right guy, either.
 
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Lack of need is probably the biggest reason for his drop but he wasn’t considered a top half of the first round talent. The prediction even before the draft started was that if the Steelers don’t take him he will likely go early second round.
 
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If you look at the top 10-15 teams picking, you don't think there's a need for a QB upgrade? Now is Sanders or Ward an upgrade is a very pertinent question. But, several teams need a QB, and it doesn't look like Shadeur was deemed worthy of a first round even by teams that need a QB. There was some talk, at least some time ago, that suggested he could go #1 overall and I thought, at the time, those people have to be crazy. Hunter made Sanders look better. Even if the ball wasn't going to him, you can bet the opposing DC knew where Hunter was and schemed to contain him.
 
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gamecockcat said:
If you look at the top 10-15 teams picking, you don't think there's a need for a QB upgrade? Now is Sanders or Ward an upgrade is a very pertinent question. But, several teams need a QB, and it doesn't look like Shadeur was deemed worthy of a first round even by teams that need a QB. There was some talk, at least some time ago, that suggested he could go #1 overall and I thought, at the time, those people have to be crazy. Hunter made Sanders look better. Even if the ball wasn't going to him, you can bet the opposing DC knew where Hunter was and schemed to contain him.
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Titans, Saints?, and Giants were considered the most likely to pick one early. That’s the thing, Sanders and need didn’t outweigh taking the best available. Steelers may wait as well, they are supposedly talking to Rogers, so they may take best available. They can take one someone out of the second tier or wait until next year.
 
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ArtLaibsGhost said:
2 anonymous coaches said he had the worst personal interview they had ever seen. Nobody certain they want to turn over the keys to thier multimillion dollar franchises to a self obsessed ego maniac
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I wondered if this was just misdirection but sounds legit. He just isnt that impressive as a player. Hes good but not great and lacks elite physical tools. Then add in the poor attitude, drama and spotlight, and it just isn't close to worth it in the first round.

Will be interesting to see if he makes it on day 2.
 
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gamecockcat said:
Thoughts?

Ward was selected #1 and very few NFL insiders think he's a franchise talent. QBs almost always get drafted too early. So, why the fall (some expected this to occur) for Shadeur, who is widely regarded as the 2nd best QB in, admittedly, a weak QB class?
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I think many teams did not want deal with his Daddy who I believe will second guess any coach who coaches his son and will air in the media any concerns he might have with how it is being done.
 
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I worked in Boulder that last couple of years. And it was a well-traveled rumor that Shadeur would only speak to a very few of his teammates, drove around campus in a very expensive car, sported a huge, gaudy watch, etc. Basically, acted exactly how you'd expect Deion's son to act once they threw a bunch of money into his lap.

Unless he was a bona-fide can't miss franchise QB, I certainly would have passed on him. His attitude and the expected interference from Deion would not be worth it except for unrivaled talent.
 
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1. It had to be a lot more of his attitude/ego moreso than ability to me....and NFL QB1 needs to be talented but also a leader...and Sanders puts his leadership ablities in question with his bravado nonsense
2. But I will say this to defender Sanders....I can live with Cam Ward being first QB off the board....but Jaxon Dart....to trade up for him....puhleease. He has a noodle arm strength, racks up yards in Kiffen's offense with his feet and quick passing game....but make him throw it into a legit defense and he wilts. I have a much harder time seeing Dart taken ahead of Sanders....Dart has backup QB written all over him.....I'd be more apt to take a chance on Sanders ego getting in line than Dart having ability to lead an offense in NFL.
 
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gamecockcat said:
Thoughts?

Ward was selected #1 and very few NFL insiders think he's a franchise talent. QBs almost always get drafted too early. So, why the fall (some expected this to occur) for Shadeur, who is widely regarded as the 2nd best QB in, admittedly, a weak QB class?
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It's nearly 100% talent level. NFL teams aren't afraid of Deion bring additional eyes. I suspect many teams would love that, but if you watch him play, he was all over the place, holding the ball way too long, running around the backfield like it was a sandlot game and that won't translate to the NFL. He has plenty of athletic talent, though there is some question about arm strength, but he needs significant refinement, so we'll see if he is able to humble himself.
 
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K_TIME said:
1. It had to be a lot more of his attitude/ego moreso than ability to me....and NFL QB1 needs to be talented but also a leader...and Sanders puts his leadership ablities in question with his bravado nonsense
2. But I will say this to defender Sanders....I can live with Cam Ward being first QB off the board....but Jaxon Dart....to trade up for him....puhleease. He has a noodle arm strength, racks up yards in Kiffen's offense with his feet and quick passing game....but make him throw it into a legit defense and he wilts. I have a much harder time seeing Dart taken ahead of Sanders....Dart has backup QB written all over him.....I'd be more apt to take a chance on Sanders ego getting in line than Dart having ability to lead an offense in NFL.
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Yeah Dart just didnt make much sense at all. I liked him as a college QB especially in that offense and he may be as good as any other backup in the league now, but why do you pay to move up to get him when you could have got him later. And even if you missed on him later dont you think there would be one just like him to get next year in round 2 or 3?
 
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Grumpyolddawg said:
He supposedly built a "draft room" to watch the draft. But why would anyone expect him to be any other way than arrogant?
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I don't expect him to be different considering who his father is.

The public is always rubbed the wrong way regarding public arrogance especially when it's not backed up with the production.

Like a fighter who disrespects someone at the weigh in, everyone rejoices when that guy gets rocked. It's why people rejoiced when Angel Reece who routinely disrespects people and chased Clark around to taunt her, lost the next year and started crying and play victim.

The Sanders family has enjoyed the constant media hype when it's positive but then gets upset that people resent it or has some criticism. Everyone hates daddy ball but those who do it. Watching Bronny get an NBA gig cause of his dad and then watching this guy talk shit to everyone, never beating anyone but getting his jersey retired immediately, people are enjoying the humble pie.

In the NFL, teams will put up with a lot if the talent outweighs the headaches. It's why they will keep guys who beat women or get busted for DUIs and drugs. But the moment, the talent isn't there to ignore the problems, you're gone. The other side of that is if your talent doesn't outweigh the media attention you bring to the organization i.e. Tim Tebow.
 
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Unless he was a bona-fide can't miss franchise QB, I certainly would have passed on him. His attitude and the expected interference from Deion would not be worth it except for unrivaled talent.
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That's exactly what it is. We all just saw the media coverage for a program that went 13-12 the last two years. Always mouthing off in the press or online, getting into it with transfers, transfer players dads, trashing former players, going nuts over any criticism. Deion always has something to say. Always has a chip on his shoulder. Every single game, it would be interviewing Deion second guessing the NFL coach, rumors of Deion coming to coach his son in the pros. It will be endless for the team that takes him today.

But like I said earlier, teams ignore a lot if they think you're talented enough to ignore it. Look at Jameis Winston. Got accused of sexual assault (an absolute lie but still), got in trouble for stealing refills of soda and taking lobster, and yelling a popular obscenity. He only lost one game in two years, won a Heisman and a national title. Shadeur went 4-8 and 9-4 and beat absolutely no one.
 
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That's exactly what it is. We all just saw the media coverage for a program that went 13-12 the last two years. Always mouthing off in the press or online, getting into it with transfers, transfer players dads, trashing former players, going nuts over any criticism. Deion always has something to say. Always has a chip on his shoulder. Every single game, it would be interviewing Deion second guessing the NFL coach, rumors of Deion coming to coach his son in the pros. It will be endless for the team that takes him today.

But like I said earlier, teams ignore a lot if they think you're talented enough to ignore it. Look at Jameis Winston. Got accused of sexual assault (an absolute lie but still), got in trouble for stealing refills of soda and taking lobster, and yelling a popular obscenity. He only lost one game in two years, won a Heisman and a national title. Shadeur went 4-8 and 9-4 and beat absolutely no one.
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I liked Deion as a football player, to play the position he played as well as he played it i think arrogance is part of the package, alone with being confident. His son seems to have those traits, which he appears to show as much as Deion and that just doesn't go over as well for a QB.

Deion was a decent baseball player, but for all his speed, he just wasn't a great defensive centerfielder. He didn't get the jump the elite guys do, likely because it wasn't his major focus.
 
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bigblueinsanity said:
I wondered if this was just misdirection but sounds legit. He just isnt that impressive as a player. Hes good but not great and lacks elite physical tools. Then add in the poor attitude, drama and spotlight, and it just isn't close to worth it in the first round.

Will be interesting to see if he makes it on day 2.
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Obviously the reasons may be a little different, but it's shades of what happened to Will Levis. Sanders will probably get picked up early in the second round like Levis did. Possibly to Cleveland who has two early round picks.
 
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1) he has no “special” traits,
2) he played in a gimmick offense, as evidenced by 25% of his pass attempts being screens or behind the LOS,
3) he takes a ton of sacks,
4) seems like a lot behavior issues to boot
 
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I couldn’t imagine Deon raising a kid any other way. He never knew the word humble, I would not expect his kids to know the word either.
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But Deon’s a minister lol. Respected him as a player, pure egotistical piece of trash otherwise.
 
It’s both. For someone with the potential sideshow/entitlement baggage that hasn’t been coached by anyone other than his father you better have a high ceiling to compensate and he doesn’t have any elite physical trait. He’ll get taken…just wasn’t in the first round.
 
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Probably all of the above.

Probably always been a 2-3rd round QB. Then you got the Prime Time show.

Some talking head made a great point about he’s only been coached by his dad….since pee wee ball.

Then you had the late reports of him being a bit holy for the collar in interviews.

Then it’s a weak QB draft class in which most everyone was going to be available second day for better value.
 
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Probably all of the above.

Probably always been a 2-3rd round QB. Then you got the Prime Time show.

Some talking head made a great point about he’s only been coached by his dad….since pee wee ball.

Then you had the late reports of him being a bit holy for the collar in interviews.

Then it’s a weak QB draft class in which most everyone was going to be available second day for better value.
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I'd be absolutely shocked if he doesn't go to the Browns with having two picks early in the second (unless someone trades ahead).

Who are even the options?

Browns, Saints, Raiders, Jets, possibly Rams as a backup for Stafford, and Steelers?
 
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K_TIME said:
1. It had to be a lot more of his attitude/ego moreso than ability to me....and NFL QB1 needs to be talented but also a leader...and Sanders puts his leadership ablities in question with his bravado nonsense
2. But I will say this to defender Sanders....I can live with Cam Ward being first QB off the board....but Jaxon Dart....to trade up for him....puhleease. He has a noodle arm strength, racks up yards in Kiffen's offense with his feet and quick passing game....but make him throw it into a legit defense and he wilts. I have a much harder time seeing Dart taken ahead of Sanders....Dart has backup QB written all over him.....I'd be more apt to take a chance on Sanders ego getting in line than Dart having ability to lead an offense in NFL.
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No disagreement about Dart, but Sanders isn't himself exactly Michael Vick or Trevor Lawrence in the raw tools department. Realistically, this just isn't a great year for drafting a quarterback.
 
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HeismaNole said:
I'd be absolutely shocked if he doesn't go to the Browns with having two picks early in the second (unless someone trades ahead).

Who are even the options?

Browns, Saints, Raiders, Jets, possibly Rams as a backup for Stafford, and Steelers?
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The Steelers don't have a second round pick so I doubt that they get Sanders. Supposedly, they like Ohio State's QB and possibly the kid from Syracuse.

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I’m wondering why we aren’t seeing live video of he Draft Room at the Sanders camp? Can they rock the party non stop for 3 days straight?
 
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While I thought he'd drop, I never envisioned this steep of a drop. Plus, both Dart and Shough going off the board before Shedeur. Wow. He (and probably Deion) cost himself a lot of dough by being arrogant and turning a lot of NFL GMs off.
 
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If he was good enough to elevate a team no amount of circus would stop a team in need from taking him. He's just not that good imo, at least what he's shown so far, he could end up being good, but the tape isn't top tier. His interviews may have hurt him as well.
 
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Grumpyolddawg said:
I liked Deion as a football player, to play the position he played as well as he played it i think arrogance is part of the package, alone with being confident. His son seems to have those traits, which he appears to show as much as Deion and that just doesn't go over as well for a QB.

Deion was a decent baseball player, but for all his speed, he just wasn't a great defensive centerfielder. He didn't get the jump the elite guys do, likely because it wasn't his major focus.
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Didn't Deion nearly run over Smoltzie or another pitcher in front of him on the basepath between third and home?
 
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