So, A&M Bailed Out...

[TheBlueMax]

...even though they tried to make a play at the end and didn't, we rebound their missed shot, and then get penalized for showing emotions that showed up no one and couldn't possibly be put under the heading of unsportsmanlike conduct. That's a sad judgment call OR a sad rule that needs changing.

I admit to not knowing the subtlety of that rule, but if the refs have the ability to judge that specific action, then where is the malicious intent to show up an opponent or referee? They should at least have the ability to review the tape before making a judgment to ensure we all know whether any maliciousness had occurred. The more I think about it the more furious I get--it's absolutely a pathetic way for refs to step in and alter the outcome of a game. It's one thing if Humphries slams the ball in disgust at a call not going his way, or slams or throws the ball as he taunts an opponent, but he did none of that.

Finally, rate our chances of winning at that point with him at the foul line shooting two. Eighty percent? Ninety?
I feel like we finally had a tough game nearly in hand, and A&M did NOTHING to deserve the opportunity to avoid a potential three point deficit--the refs, based on a poorly applied rule, did it for them. They should have never shot two FTs to go up by one. Bush league call; bush league rule. I have profound respect for our referees, but this penalty for showing positive emotion was just absurd...and if that's the way the rule has to be applied, it needs to be changed. Again, it undeservedly bailed out A&M. Can we not tell the difference between youthful exuberance and malicious intent? Pitiful...

 

[uky8unc5]

I admit to not knowing the subtlety of that rule, but if the refs have the ability to judge that specific action, then where is the malicious intent to show up an opponent or referee?

The Official has to deem that Isaac's action was unsportsmanlike. And with 9 seconds to play, that is the worst Technical I have ever witnessed. I can assure you that the other 2 Officials were pissed off at that call. It makes them all look bad.

 

[uky8unc5]

At clinics, I always taught: "Count 3 before giving a T." He should have counted to 100.

 

[preacherfan]

As I said in the other thread, if I tell my kid to clean off the porch and he slams the door, he gets grounded.

If I tell him I bought him a new bicycle and it is on the porch and he slams the door running out, I am not going to ground him. I will probably laugh and say, "Hey, don't slam the door."

It comes down to common sense and the spirit of the rules.

 

[KWilt43atbuzz]

It warranted a T Im sorry but it did.
You just cant do ish like that.
It brought negative atttention to Hump and if he just calmly goes down and sinks the 2 freebies we probably win.
I feel terrible for him and for UK but it is what it is....in the gm of basketball as in life you have to keep emotions in check or it can get you in trouble.

 

[behhpp]

I was taught in grade school never to slam the ball and allow it to bounce above your head, for any reason, or you risk getting a technical. Humphries and Ulis knew immediately that a T could have been called, even before it was called.

You don't want to let players slam down the ball in that circumstance. The opposing team could interpret it as taunting and then you lose control of the game.

 

[preacherfan]

It warranted a T Im sorry but it did.
You just cant do ish like that.
It brought negative atttention to Hump and if he just calmly goes down and sinks the 2 freebies we probably win.
I feel terrible for him and for UK but it is what it is....in the gm of basketball as in life you have to keep emotions in check or it can get you in trouble.

Seth Greenberg talked to some officials who said that it shouldn't have been called. Several major sports writers stated or implied the same. UK8 who is a former major college ref and teaches clinics says it was the worse T he had ever seen called.

 

[preacherfan]

I was taught in grade school never to slam the ball and allow it to bounce above your head, for any reason, or you risk getting a technical. Humphries and Ulis knew immediately that a T could have been called, even before it was called.

You don't want to let players slam down the ball in that circumstance. The opposing team could interpret it as taunting and then you lose control of the game.

I think that is a fair post.

 

[uky8unc5]

From this morning's Herald Bleeder (Mark Story):

As I said in the other thread, if I tell my kid to clean off the porch and he slams the door, he gets grounded.

If I tell him I bought him a new bicycle and it is on the porch and he slams the door running out, I am not going to ground him. I will probably laugh and say, "Hey, don't slam the door."

It comes down to common sense and the spirit of the rules.

Perfect analogy. There isn't an Official in America who doesn't agree with you...except one.

 

[uky8unc5]

I was taught in grade school never to slam the ball and allow it to bounce above your head, for any reason, or you risk getting a technical. Humphries and Ulis knew immediately that a T could have been called, even before it was called.

You don't want to let players slam down the ball in that circumstance. The opposing team could interpret it as taunting and then you lose control of the game.

Absolutely agree. BUT that doesn't excuse the Official. Isaac was born Jan 5, 1998. He's barely 18. He is on the verge of being a hero in a key nationally televised, tension packed game. Conference title in his hands. 9 seconds left. He celebrated. EVERY EXPERT and OFFICIAL winced. Texas A&M's coach agreed it was a terrible call. Sad Sad Sad. And I'm mad mad mad.

 

[ram1955]

No problem with the T. Same thing happened in the UT game. Team simply needs to be coached to refrain from such expressions. Glad it's happening now in games that don't really matter.
The part that burns me is that other, more deserving behavior is tolerated. Example: Lee was called for walking. As he's running back down court, they have a camera on him and he clearly yells "That's bullshit!" IMO, that's the crap that has ruined modern bball. 30 years ago when I was calling games (much lower level), that not only would have gotten you a T but could have gotten you ejected.

 

[ulismyman]

You try playing with todays officials and not cuss...its not possible

 

[awf]

No problem with the T. Same thing happened in the UT game. Team simply needs to be coached to refrain from such expressions. Glad it's happening now in games that don't really matter.
The part that burns me is that other, more deserving behavior is tolerated. Example: Lee was called for walking. As he's running back down court, they have a camera on him and he clearly yells "That's bullshit!" IMO, that's the crap that has ruined modern bball. 30 years ago when I was calling games (much lower level), that not only would have gotten you a T but could have gotten you ejected.

Seems like you are trying to judge something that happened now with the same rules and norms of 30 yrs ago....as an old timer let me explain it like this. Get with the times. You didn't hear cuss words out in public as much thirty years ago.

 

[wldktz8]

No problem with the T. Same thing happened in the UT game. Team simply needs to be coached to refrain from such expressions.

It was actually the SC game that was already well in hand. It wasn't going to determine the outcome of the game. Essentially they gave A&M two point before we shot our FTs. I also think that Humphries should have been allowed to shoot the FTs because he was fouled before the T was called.

 

[bigbluedon]

It warranted a T Im sorry but it did.
You just cant do ish like that.
It brought negative atttention to Hump and if he just calmly goes down and sinks the 2 freebies we probably win.
I feel terrible for him and for UK but it is what it is....in the gm of basketball as in life you have to keep emotions in check or it can get you in trouble.

Wrong...it did not warrant a T...If you have never reffed a game then you don't know. i have been doing it for 41 yrs..That should have never been called.

 

[mapcatfan]

I think that is a fair post.

Agree. So maybe the ref should have just issued a warning...............Similar to what they occasionally do to the bench or a coach. To me, that's a comparable situation. The coach/bench would have obviously said or done something that could merit a technical, but the ref gives a warning. If the behavior continues, then the T is thrown.

Much different situation than if it is part of the play action or if it was malicious and done out of anger.

 

[Fancatstik]

It was a travesty of epic proportions.

 

[JumperJack]

As I said in the other thread, if I tell my kid to clean off the porch and he slams the door, he gets grounded.

If I tell him I bought him a new bicycle and it is on the porch and he slams the door running out, I am not going to ground him. I will probably laugh and say, "Hey, don't slam the door."

It comes down to common sense and the spirit of the rules.

I agree in spirit but the problem is that you're then putting a ref in a position to try to figure the nuance of every action. They shouldn't have to. You just don't put anything into the hands of officials unnecessarily.

What bothered me is he acted like he won the FF with two huge FTs yet to come. We're UK, we make game winning plays all the time. Got to act like you've been there.

 

[UKhoopCat]

The Official has to deem that Isaac's action was unsportsmanlike. And with 9 seconds to play, that is the worst Technical I have ever witnessed. I can assure you that the other 2 Officials were pissed off at that call. It makes them all look bad.

The other 2 officials were not pissed off. They were probably glad they didn't make that call...but rest assured, as evidenced by their own calls...they slept fine last night.

 

[UKhoopCat]

I agree in spirit but the problem is that you're then putting a ref in a position to try to figure the nuance of every action. They shouldn't have to. You just don't put anything into the hands of officials unnecessarily.

What bothered me is he acted like he won the FF with two huge FTs yet to come. We're UK, we make game winning plays all the time. Got to act like you've been there.

He's never been there. A kid barely turned 18 years old from another continent doesn't realize that SEC officials are crooked.

 

[Lumpy 2]

I agree in spirit but the problem is that you're then putting a ref in a position to try to figure the nuance of every action. They shouln't have to. You just don't put anything into the hands of officials unnecessarily.

What bothered me is he acted like he won the FF with two huge FTs yet to come. We're UK, we make game winning plays all the time. Got to act like you've been there.

Adams was already in position to make the call based on what Humphries did. He had the discretion whether or not to make the call. He chose to call the T on Isaac for celebrating after he had made a big play. Was what he did more egregious than 2 players chest bumping after a big play?

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

No problem with the T. Same thing happened in the UT game. Team simply needs to be coached to refrain from such expressions. Glad it's happening now in games that don't really matter.
The part that burns me is that other, more deserving behavior is tolerated. Example: Lee was called for walking. As he's running back down court, they have a camera on him and he clearly yells "That's bullshit!" IMO, that's the crap that has ruined modern bball. 30 years ago when I was calling games (much lower level), that not only would have gotten you a T but could have gotten you ejected.

Which is a joke. Your not there to be ruler of the game. How about it was a bad walk call...suck it up, you made a mistake. Maybe you haven't noticed but the kids aren't robots, they have emotions. I think what's killing the game is some officials have gotten this notion that they can try to exert themselves into everything and they do no wrong. As a result they are mentally weak with no tolerance.

 

[preacherfan]

Adams was already in position to make the call based on what Humphries did. He had the discretion whether or not to make the call. He chose to call the T on Isaac for celebrating after he had made a big play. Was what he did more egregious than 2 players chest bumping after a big play?

If we had gotten a T for that, I guarantee you that some would see this differently. But, it is the same. We were called for unsportsmanship behavior. Chest bumping, chicken dancing, and gyrating could have resulted in a T as well, depending on the ref. That is a poor way to run officiating.

 

[FlCATFan]

Absolutely agree. BUT that doesn't excuse the Official. Isaac was born Jan 5, 1998. He's barely 18. He is on the verge of being a hero in a key nationally televised, tension packed game. Conference title in his hands. 9 seconds left. He celebrated. EVERY EXPERT and OFFICIAL winced. Texas A&M's coach agreed it was a terrible call. Sad Sad Sad. And I'm mad mad mad.

Exactly....both Humphries and Adams used their discretion. The difference is that Issac is a barely 18 year old kid with a total of 156 minutes of college game experience and apologized immediately for his mistake. Adams is supposed to be a mature professional with years of game experience. He hasn't and almost certainly won't recognize his error and admit or apologize for it.