Smitty>Tim Couch
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Stephen Johnson has more heart and guts than just about anyone I’ve ever seen play. I love the guy and I take my hat off to him every game. But comparing him to Tim Couch should not even be open for discussion. Couch was miles and miles better than SJ and that’s not a knock on SJ. I’m another one that saw Couch play in person for Cleveland sitting in the front row. He got killed. Their O line was the worst in the history of the NFL. Couch was great.... just got thrown to the wolves.
Tim Crotch isn't as good as barke
Oh yea. Let me guess. He plaid for it. No. Success is counted by wins and losses SJ is king.
If you think SJ is a better QB than Couch, then your football IQ is equal to Jethro Bodine.
You lost all credibility with the ‘Tim Crotch’ comment. I knew you were wrong but that sealed the deal. Tim Crotch, really ? Are you ten years old ? SMH
I will never forgive Butch Davis, that punk, or Cleveland fans for the Couch thing.....EFF THEM , they can burn in hell for all I care.....
I saw Cleveland fans cheer when he was injured.
Most of the preseason and early in the season, it was guessed here, to much, when Barker would take over at QB1.
LOL!
I assume you're trying to be funny.
Couch was one of the greatest college quarterbacks in history.
You sir are so so accurate in your assessment of Couch's pro experience in Cleveland. The media is prone to cite Couch as a "bust" but they always fail to take into consideration the horrific OL that he had to play behind.
Couch was probably as gifted as almost any QB EVER. A real prodigy, he made news across the nation when recruiting wasn't big news, I remember reading about him 2,000 miles away. ALL of the tools, VERY fast release, could have run for a lot of yards also. I still remember him blocking in front of one of our faster receivers about 60 yards downfield. Great basketball player also, but gave it up after his junior year I believe.
The expansion Browns ruined his chances for being one of the all time greats.
VERY hard to impossible to be in line for the #1 draft pick and in contention for the Heisman when you have the record that UK had when he was here------and most of those wins were due to him.
And all of this is not meant to downgrade Johnson in any way, heart of a lion and a real winner
------and with more talent than most give him credit for.
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What you don't seem to understand is that NO ONE is trashing SJ, great heart with a lot of talent, but Couch type talent comes about once every decade across the nation, if not several decades.
And Couch took even worse beatings than SJ in the pros, and came back for more.
Couch fought just as hard as SJ. I'm a Johnson fan, but you must not of watched Couch play. He was a future NFL first round pick, but he would refuse to step out of bounds when he scrambled and instead try to run over the defensive player. Couch was a winner here to. Would of won 8 games his last year here with a 12 game regular season schedule. 7 his first year.
Look, no one is trashing SJ. I like the kid and am rooting hard for him. But, he has far greater talent all around him than Couch did, particularly on the defensive side of the ball. But anyone that thinks SJ is a better QB than Couch either never saw Couch play or is a complete idiot, period!
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He is a good college qb no doubt about that. But he has several advantages going for him that Tim Couch did not. 1. UK decided to spend some money to improve football facilities which helped improve recruiting. Playing a couple of seasons with the SEC east at one of the lowest points, most likely lowest, in the division era. Much better talent around him with above mentioned facilities, tOSU recruiting more nationally and coaches who evaluate well and are not afraid to go after kids. Finally a much better defense that doesn't force him to score 40 or more a game. I like Johnson and what he brings to the game, he is a dangerous qb for opposing defenses, but he has much more help and a much friendlier schedule than Tim Couch had to face.
Watched Couch play every moment of his career. Been following UK for 55 years.
My point was SJ had done more with less talent than Couch.
Please tell me you meant Couch did more with less talent than SJ. Because frankly, the other way around just doesn't make any sense at all. There is far greater talent across the board at UK now than when Couch played.
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Johnson is the Tyler Ulis of UK football.
Example:
Not a bad comparison but Ulis (barring injuries) will have a long and hopefully prosperous career at the highest level of basketball. I'm pulling hard for SJ, but I'd be surprised if he ever plays a down in the NFL.
Nice post Grumpy! I can't help but think the people that make posts like this were either too young to have watched Couch play, don't know what the SEC (especially the East) was like back then or are just remembering things incorrectly or that did not happen. No question, Couch was the better QB. That doesn't mean I don't like SJ and what he brings to the table though.
PS: You're Dawgs are looking strong. They've been every bit as impressive as Bama so far.
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Tim Couch never had a defense. Tim Couch never had Snell and Boom Williams to compliment him in the backfield.
Also, SJ is a 5th year Senior, while Couch played here only 3 seasons before going #1 overall.
Put Couch on this team, CJ Conrad is leading the SEC in every imaginable category and Benny Snell has so many more openings.
People also forget Couch led the Browns to the playoffs his last year as a starter before injuries gave Kelly Holcomb the job.
Also, SJ is a 5th year Senior, while Couch played here only 3 seasons before going #1 overall.
Put Couch on this team, CJ Conrad is leading the SEC in every imaginable category and Benny Snell has so many more openings.
People also forget Couch led the Browns to the playoffs his last year as a starter before injuries gave Kelly Holcomb the job.
Reminds me of that line from Seabiscuit that Charles Howard said: "Sometimes when the little guy doesn't know he's little, he can do big things."
Got the reaction they were looking for... Attention w****, only explanation for such a ludicrous statement/thread.
Couch could have started for any team in the country,SJ couldn't start for every team in the SEC.
You can appreciate and praise Stephen Johnson without making ridiculous claims. He's nowhere near the class Tim Couch is in.
Don't want to say anything bad about SJ but your crazy. He isn't even as good as Woodson. SJ is a class act and a competitor but he plays on the most talented team I have seen at Kentucky and for the best coach but my football watching started with Bill Curry
Well, the OP is making amends for the "Smith" post during the Vandy game, last year. And I haven't even pulled it back up, again.
You have to give Johnson his due . . . . no, he is not greater than Couch, but given results on the field, and his fierce and effective leadership at crunch time, the comparison of these two college QB's is not that crazy.
Like others, I am very pleased with SJ's performance and growth over the past 1 1/2 seasons. I believe that he will always be remembered as one of the main reasons that UK football became relevant again. That being said, can you imagine how Couch would use today's crop of UK receivers? His passing made Craig Yeast a household name and turned RBs Anthony White and Derek Homer into dual-threats. These weren't his only targets, either. His other WRs, Kio Sanford, Kevin Coleman, Quentin McCord, and Jimmy Robinson all had over 35 catches in one or both of Couch's seasons behind center. Crazy numbers, if you think about it.
I can understand the love for SJ. He has been great for this university and its program...but IMO he does not compare to Couch.
I can understand the love for SJ. He has been great for this university and its program...but IMO he does not compare to Couch.
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