Shocked at the number of OTs

[Girthang]

..taken ahead of DKinnard in that first round last night. Disappointed that the teams I like didn't pick him up. Not worried because the round your picked doesn't determine your success or failure at that level. Hope he lands a good contract with a great franchise

 

[mrschwump]

..taken ahead of DKinnard in that first round last night. Disappointed that the teams I like didn't pick him up. Not worried because the round your picked doesn't determine your success or failure at that level. Hope he lands a good contract with a great franchise

Supposedly will be an OG in pro ball. Also, he apparently had a poor combine showing that's caused him to fade some. Still, will likely have his name called today(Fri) and 2d/3d RD ain't bad.

 

[JDHoss]

Supposedly will be an OG in pro ball. Also, he apparently had a poor combine showing that's caused him to fade some. Still, will likely have his name called today(Fri) and 2d/3d RD ain't bad.

He had a poor showing at the Senior Bowl too.

 

[Rock_Cat78]

He's went from a guy that two months ago I had hoped he could work his way up to mid first round to now hoping he doesn't fall to the fourth.

 

[billoliver40]

Kentucky offensive linemen are by and large guys that are way behind in pass protect. Although we have grown to love the up front maulers, our draftees at o line tend to be projects more than some other schools.

 

[gamecockcat]

Kentucky offensive linemen are by and large guys that are way behind in pass protect. Although we have grown to love the up front maulers, our draftees at o line tend to be projects more than some other schools.

Think/hope this changes with the wide zone scheme we're running now. Think our OL will get a bit smaller but more athletic vs the inside zone maulers we'd recruited previously. When (not if) we have top performers on the OL going forward, I would expect the NFL to look very favorably on them due to system knowledge and more/better technique in pass pro.

 

[UKSanders]

Since he is projected to move to OG, I wasn’t surprised that OTs went ahead of him. However, I was surprised to see the OG picked 29th by the Patriots from UT-Chattanooga, Cole Strange

Is someone that’s been on the NFL radar? I admittedly know nothing about him, but even the evaluation I read for him doesn’t scream first round pick…especially considering the level of competition he’s normally playing against.

It said he struggles with pass protection, but an advantage he would have over Kinnard is that he can possibly play center.

 

[Creed Bratton]

Supposedly will be an OG in pro ball. Also, he apparently had a poor combine showing that's caused him to fade some. Still, will likely have his name called today(Fri) and 2d/3d RD ain't bad.

I don't understand why NFL teams will draft a guy based on shuttle time, 40 yard time, etc over the proven on the field play. According to the link below Kinnard had the highest career OT rating since 2014 and yet he slipped to day 2 because he didn't "test" out to what they like. Unless they start having 40 yard dash and shuttle drills mid game I would take a kid who was the highest graded OT in the toughest league in the last 8 years all day over a guy who can run fast.

Story here

 

[sambowieshin]

I don't understand why NFL teams will draft a guy based on shuttle time, 40 yard time, etc over the proven on the field play. According to the link below Kinnard had the highest career OT rating since 2014 and yet he slipped to day 2 because he didn't "test" out to what they like. Unless they start having 40 yard dash and shuttle drills mid game I would take a kid who was the highest graded OT in the toughest league in the last 8 years all day over a guy who can run fast.

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The NFL is just a different animal than even the SEC. Speed is paramount at every position.

 

[JHB4UK]

Sadly would have been better off for himself to go last yr draft

 

[Girthang]

The NFL is just a different animal than even the SEC. Speed is paramount at every position.

Game speed, yes. 40yd times a day shuttle times don't mean sht on the field. He's proven himself against the SEC - guys that will be playing on Sundays. I get that the NFL has always been like this. Their own worst enemies are in their scouting dept.

 

[Girthang]

I don't understand why NFL teams will draft a guy based on shuttle time, 40 yard time, etc over the proven on the field play. According to the link below Kinnard had the highest career OT rating since 2014 and yet he slipped to day 2 because he didn't "test" out to what they like. Unless they start having 40 yard dash and shuttle drills mid game I would take a kid who was the highest graded OT in the toughest league in the last 8 years all day over a guy who can run fast.

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Right?!

You'd think that at some point they'd realize that scout rankings are not what they're cracked up to be and just go with the guy's resume. If he didn't have speed and leverage he would've been getting his assets kicked all over the field.

 

[kb22stang]

Right?!

You'd think that at some point they'd realize that scout rankings are not what they're cracked up to be and just go with the guy's resume. If he didn't have speed and leverage he would've been getting his assets kicked all over the field.

You might think that, but they're right more than they are wrong. Measurables matter at that level of football.

 

[Girthang]

You might think that, but they're right more than they are wrong. Measurables matter at that level of football.

Lol. Doubt it. I've seen as many scouting flops in nearly 50 years of watching the game as I've seen successful. Coaches prove em wrong all the time. Prove each other wrong, too.

It's not hard to scout a guy with all of "the measurables" and the resume. Anybody can look at a chart and some game film. Scouts are hired to see what others can't, and more have come and gone than are successful at it. That should tell you they're NOT right more often.

I don't mind if people see it differently, but how many scouts passed on really great players before the same were drafted in later rounds?

 

[Dddjdd]

As fans we always want guys to come back and improve their stock. It’s a win-win we get to watch them for another year and they get to be drafted higher. But where was DK projected last year? Did he actually hurt his stock returning

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Who was responsible for the plan that had him lose so much weight? Yikes that decision cost him literal millions

 

[dallasg23]

Not playing lift tackle hurt him a little bit and if I recall he’s projected to move inside to guard

 

[BigTyrone]

As fans we always want guys to come back and improve their stock. It’s a win-win we get to watch them for another year and they get to be drafted higher. But where was DK projected last year? Did he actually hurt his stock returning

His stock was greatly improved during the season. If it was the combine that dragged him down, the same thing probably would have happened last year. Falling this much is still a head scratcher though...

 

[Bereacat420]

I don't understand why NFL teams will draft a guy based on shuttle time, 40 yard time, etc over the proven on the field play. According to the link below Kinnard had the highest career OT rating since 2014 and yet he slipped to day 2 because he didn't "test" out to what they like. Unless they start having 40 yard dash and shuttle drills mid game I would take a kid who was the highest graded OT in the toughest league in the last 8 years all day over a guy who can run fast.

Story here

He went to the senior bowl and started poorly then picked it up. FSU DE made him look bad on one of the highlights seen over and over from the senior bowl. Speed and movement showed he would have to move inside. Those grades from PFF are a reflection of running the ball and pancaking guys which he is great at. Drake graded great and couldn't even make a team

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Liam just passed on Kinnard for a OG.

 

[CatCall]

someone is going to get a good one on the cheap tomorrow!

 

[hangin#8]

Honestly hate to even mention it because it could potentially derail the entire discussion here…but I have to think his becoming oddly political during the Senior Bowl/Combine isn’t helping things. (Traitor Joe hoodie, downplaying pandemic and labeling restrictions as “scare tactics, etc.) The NFL is all about money, and if they feel talent is equal they’ll take the player with the least controversial takes/history/opinions every time. It’s the reason everybody in sports talks in the same tires cliches. We may like hearing a player spout off an unfiltered opinion, especially if it’s one you happen to agree with, but the teams would probably rather not antagonize 40% of their fan base. If he wore a UK hoodie to that press conference and said “I just tried to focus on what I can control and work hard every day” he would’ve probably been better off.

That, plus a poor showing at the combine, plus an anticipated position change are all combining to push him down the board a bit. Still rooting for my Titans to steal him in the 4th and watch him maul people for the next decade.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

I can't say what the issue the NFL has with Kinnard, but our OL Jemaree Salyer, is dropping like a rock too. The reasoning is he doesn't have the feet to deal with speed rushers in spite of abusing Michigan's wonder boy during the playoff. Not trying to compare who is better, but both played OT in college and were projected to be OG in the league, Salyer has even played C. Just seems the GMs are putting too much emphasis on stop watches than actually being able to play.

 

[TNTUK]

Since he is projected to move to OG, I wasn’t surprised that OTs went ahead of him. However, I was surprised to see the OG picked 29th by the Patriots from UT-Chattanooga, Cole Strange

Is someone that’s been on the NFL radar? I admittedly know nothing about him, but even the evaluation I read for him doesn’t scream first round pick…especially considering the level of competition he’s normally playing against.

It said he struggles with pass protection, but an advantage he would have over Kinnard is that he can possibly play center.

That dude mauled our DL last year.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

The combine is such a big event for a reason. It will knock a third round to the first and a second round to the fourth.

 

[K_TIME]

I can't say what the issue the NFL has with Kinnard, but our OL Jemaree Salyer, is dropping like a rock too. The reasoning is he doesn't have the feet to deal with speed rushers in spite of abusing Michigan's wonder boy during the playoff. Not trying to compare who is better, but both played OT in college and were projected to be OG in the league, Salyer has even played C. Just seems the GMs are putting too much emphasis on stop watches than actually being able to play.

I agree wholeheartedly here

1. In the same breath the UGA Lber that went #1 overall was a combine freak but he had what 6 sacks last year…and when I turned in UGA Dean was far and away more impressive along with many others
2. If Kinnard is so poor on edge ….then why did he hold his side Of Oline vs Iowa edge rusher? The Florida transfer was pretty silent vs a Kinnard. Etc.. I get smaller schools don’t get all the focus at times…but I don’t remember the UTC Oline being all that elite when we played them

I think too much of stopwatches and bench press are factored in more then game tape with a lot of this draft IMO

 

[BrewHawk]

Stopped by to see comments after noticing Kinnard hadn't been picked yet. Someone is getting one heck of late round OL.

Reminded me of our Brandon Scherff when I saw him (who was the #5 pick in 2015).

See you guys in the fall!

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Honestly hate to even mention it because it could potentially derail the entire discussion here…but I have to think his becoming oddly political during the Senior Bowl/Combine isn’t helping things. (Traitor Joe hoodie, downplaying pandemic and labeling restrictions as “scare tactics, etc.) The NFL is all about money, and if they feel talent is equal they’ll take the player with the least controversial takes/history/opinions every time. It’s the reason everybody in sports talks in the same tires cliches. We may like hearing a player spout off an unfiltered opinion, especially if it’s one you happen to agree with, but the teams would probably rather not antagonize 40% of their fan base. If he wore a UK hoodie to that press conference and said “I just tried to focus on what I can control and work hard every day” he would’ve probably been better off.

That, plus a poor showing at the combine, plus an anticipated position change are all combining to push him down the board a bit. Still rooting for my Titans to steal him in the 4th and watch him maul people for the next decade.

Absolutely hurt him. No matter your political views, in most situations like that it's best to keep them to yourselves.

Coming back didn't hurt him. Pff graded his season as one of the best ever for a RT.

His awful combine due to massive weight loss and over the top political statements are what hurt him. Most of us in here pointed out both as being awful decisions back when they happened. I hate it but it is what it is

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

I agree wholeheartedly here

1. In the same breath the UGA Lber that went #1 overall was a combine freak but he had what 6 sacks last year…and when I turned in UGA Dean was far and away more impressive along with many others
2. If Kinnard is so poor on edge ….then why did he hold his side Of Oline vs Iowa edge rusher? The Florida transfer was pretty silent vs a Kinnard. Etc.. I get smaller schools don’t get all the focus at times…but I don’t remember the UTC Oline being all that elite when we played them

I think too much of stopwatches and bench press are factored in more then game tape with a lot of this draft IMO

Dean is small and doesn't have great length, didn't run at combine or pro day. I think their was speculation he had some kind of injury, I think it's because he wasn't going to be fast. But he plays very fast because of instincts and so quick to analyze what's going on. Walker the DE didn't put up big stats, but our DL only play about 25 snaps a game so they won't have huge stats, but tested great. But he also played pretty well too.

Dean, so far, is the only one who has dropped much for us, they got a heck of a player relatively cheap.

 

[K_TIME]

Dean is small and doesn't have great length, didn't run at combine or pro day. I think their was speculation he had some kind of injury, I think it's because he wasn't going to be fast. But he plays very fast because of instincts and so quick to analyze what's going on. Walker the DE didn't put up big stats, but our DL only play about 25 snaps a game so they won't have huge stats, but tested great. But he also played pretty well too.

Dean, so far, is the only one who has dropped much for us, they got a heck of a player relatively cheap.

Yeah. And I get great college players don’t always translate into great NFL players…Benny Snell as a perfect example

But my biggest question is do you think Walker is even close to 1 pick in draft? I just never saw him anything close to the Will Anderson edge rusher for Bama type player. But because he has amazing combine stats…..they care more about that

 

[mrschwump]

Absolutely hurt him. No matter your political views, in most situations like that it's best to keep them to yourselves.

Coming back didn't hurt him. Pff graded his season as one of the best ever for a RT.

His awful combine due to massive weight loss and over the top political statements are what hurt him. Most of us in here pointed out both as being awful decisions back when they happened. I hate it but it is what it is

Agreed. DK was in poor shape, ran poorly/lifted poorly. He failed to properly prepare and pro teams obviously thought if he failed to prepare for the combine will he fail to prepare for the pro season? As for the politics, he is of course entitled to his opinion but there's a time and place for everything and the NFL combine wasn't the time and place for his nonsense. Shut up and play.

 

[Bereacat420]

Absolutely hurt him. No matter your political views, in most situations like that it's best to keep them to yourselves.

Coming back didn't hurt him. Pff graded his season as one of the best ever for a RT.

His awful combine due to massive weight loss and over the top political statements are what hurt him. Most of us in here pointed out both as being awful decisions back when they happened. I hate it but it is what it is

How did losing weight make him slower? His weight is in the range they want. The RAS shows his height/weight as his only good points. Almost everything else was avg to poor

 

[Bereacat420]

Dean is small and doesn't have great length, didn't run at combine or pro day. I think their was speculation he had some kind of injury, I think it's because he wasn't going to be fast. But he plays very fast because of instincts and so quick to analyze what's going on. Walker the DE didn't put up big stats, but our DL only play about 25 snaps a game so they won't have huge stats, but tested great. But he also played pretty well too.

Dean, so far, is the only one who has dropped much for us, they got a heck of a player relatively cheap.

There were medical concerns. Rock posted that he read it was a torn peck and Dean elected to not have surgery meaning he has a long recovery time. May not play this year

 

[bigblueinsanity]

How did losing weight make him slower? His weight is in the range they want. The RAS shows his height/weight as his only good points. Almost everything else was avg to poor

I didn't say it made him slower. It made him weaker. His bench numbers were embarrassingly low which makes sense if there is massive weight loss in such a short time.

That strength loss could've been salvaged had his explosive measurements drastically improved, but they didn't. He was still slow and showed lack of explosion; except now he was also shockingly weak and added the very unusual in your face unsolicited political statements.

Really bad combo. Whomever advised him has no business advising any other player. Or maybe he didn't have an adviser and that was his problem?

 

[JBHolmesfan]

Absolutely hurt him. No matter your political views, in most situations like that it's best to keep them to yourselves.

Coming back didn't hurt him. Pff graded his season as one of the best ever for a RT.

His awful combine due to massive weight loss and over the top political statements are what hurt him. Most of us in here pointed out both as being awful decisions back when they happened. I hate it but it is what it is

So NFL teams have no problems jockeying to mortgage their future to trade for a guy with 22 sexual assault allegations with potential suspension looming, then give that guy the richest contract in NFL history but someone having non-mainstream political views is a red flag. Not saying that isn’t why Kinnard is falling, but just shows how weird the NFL is about these things.

 

[mrschwump]

So NFL teams have no problems jockeying to mortgage their future to trade for a guy with 22 sexual assault allegations with potential suspension looming, then give that guy the richest contract in NFL history but someone having non-mainstream political views is a red flag. Not saying that isn’t why Kinnard is falling, but just shows how weird the NFL is about these things.

Probably a factor but a bigger factor was his poor conditioning preparation. Maybe he'll learn his lesson and maybe younger players will pay close attention and be better prepared when/if their time comes. It definitely should be a wake up call.

 

[JBHolmesfan]

Probably a factor but a bigger factor was his poor conditioning preparation. Maybe he'll learn his lesson and maybe younger players will pay close attention and be better prepared when/if their time comes. It definitely should be a wake up call.

That’s fair. I didn’t follow the combine at all, so I didn’t know he did so poorly. Probably some questions about his professionalism and maturity in that case.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

So NFL teams have no problems jockeying to mortgage their future to trade for a guy with 22 sexual assault allegations with potential suspension looming, then give that guy the richest contract in NFL history but someone having non-mainstream political views is a red flag. Not saying that isn’t why Kinnard is falling, but just shows how weird the NFL is about these things.

Probably a factor but a bigger factor was his poor conditioning preparation. Maybe he'll learn his lesson and maybe younger players will pay close attention and be better prepared when/if their time comes. It definitely should be a wake up call.

Right. I didn't say it was the issue but it was certainly the cherry on top of several others.

He should've kept the weight and embraced who he was, because he was literally one of the best run blocking ots in modern college football history.

 

[fabcat]

Liam just passed on Kinnard for a OG.

I’ve seen this mentioned in a couple places today. Liam is not the GM. He is not the one making the pick. The GM is. Does he have some input? Absolutely. But he’s not the one pulling the trigger. Hell the head coach of NFL teams don’t make the selections.

 

[Eccain01]

He’s been to busy trying to prove he’s something he’s not instead of embracing who he is at the next level. A run blocking OG. He’s not a tackle because he’s not athletic enough. That was never gonna change.