Seth Greenberg helps you understand....

[Mojocat]

how did Kentucky blow a 21 point lead? "Lack of attention to detail". And the example he gives is a great one - same play that had me scaring the house with an outburst....

Note that he says UK no doubt covered this pretty simple out of bounds play "8,000 times in the walk-thru." And yet, according to approximately 4% of the posters here, this is more evidence that Cal can't X and O.

 

[CatPhight]

Murray can't seem to keep his head in the game defensively and it's clearly being exploited.

 

[Midway Cat]

Note that he says UK no doubt covered this pretty simple out of bounds play "8,000 times in the walk-thru." And yet, according to approximately 4% of the posters here, this is more evidence that Cal can't X and O.

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So you're certain that our guys ran through this particular scenario "8,000 times in the walk-thru" because a television analyst who didn't attend the game says so?

Seriously, though--There might be some truth to what he's saying, but you have to admit that it's a bit concerning that we've routinely given up good looks on out of bounds plays all season. Some might blame the players, but the coaches have to accept some responsibility as well.

 

[ulismyman]

Pathetic that when we lose a game it has to be beaten into our skull on sportscenter...what other program has to go thru that crap....and dont say Duke

 

[Mojocat]

So you're certain that our guys ran through this particular scenario "8,000 times in the walk-thru" because a television analyst who didn't attend the game says so?

Seriously, though--There might be some truth to what he's saying, but you have to admit that it's a bit concerning that we've routinely given up good looks on out of bounds plays all season. Some might blame the players, but the coaches have to accept some responsibility as well.

I think the point he's making is - no he didn't witness the walk-thru first hand, but what we see here is very basic stuff. A couple of picks, some cuts - don't turn your dang head! Even in Canada, I'm guessing JM has heard that since at least the 6th grade.

yeah, coaches are always accountable for a teams' performance. I think it's also sensical to consider that - seemingly like always - we're talking about a freshman here. Freshmen make stupid plays - it's why they're called freshmen.

 

[Blueworld_3.0]

Other than Tyler Ulis, this team may have the lowest basketball IQ of just about any UK team I've ever seen. That includes Murray who is now going to be a target of other team's offense, on every play down the court. It's just hard to believe his defense can be this bad. Has he already mentally checked out of college and is thinking about the NBA? If he is, he isn't helping himself by getting beat every time someone decides to drive to the rim.

 

[Bombur]

Just a reminder, Seth Greenberg was the Virginia Tech coach who did not offer Steph Curry a scholarship (Dell Curry has his jersey hanging in the rafters of the VT arena.)


There is a reason no schools have come to offer Greenberg a job.

 

[Neue Regel]

ESPN really is a humanitarian organization. I mean just think of all the unemployed fired coaches who ESPN helped rescue.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

So, freshmen make mistakes, huh? Truly groundbreaking stuff.

 

[Bluegrass79]

The UT guy sure was looking for him to turn his head. Nice play by the kid watching Murray's head. He was taught well. It's an easy fix for Murray on that one. Show him this play and he will adjust. Quit watching the play and defend your guy so that he doesn't even get the ball. FACE GUARD dammit.

I wonder how much of Murray's bad defense is because of watching the ball action instead of face guarding his man more? It could be a really easy fix,

 

[catben]

I was at the game and what's even more concerning is that Murray was beaten by Punter on the EXACT SAME OOB's PLAY that Seldon made the 3 from the corner at the end of the KU game.

So "attention to detail" is most definitely a problem, but a BIGGER one is not learning from our mistakes!!!

 

[ORCAT10]

UT ran a set OB play with screens and cutters. Most of the time, we lob the ball into a big in the corner. No screens. No cuts. No stress for the D. No chance to force a foul. Why do we not make the other team defend a set play?

 

[cats2010]

This was not an anomaly it has been happening all season. Heaven forbid we zone an out out bounds play in these situations and try something different. According to another poster there isn't enough time to even practice a zone so I highly doubt there's enough time practicing defending an out of bounds play under the opponents basket 8,000 times.

 

[Jkwo]

Just a reminder, Seth Greenberg was the Virginia Tech coach who did not offer Steph Curry a scholarship (Dell Curry has his jersey hanging in the rafters of the VT arena.)


There is a reason no schools have come to offer Greenberg a job.

The hell does that have to do with anything?

If he had offered Steph Curry out of charity (which is what it would've been, cuz no other big coaches offered Steph, either), then he would've lucked out and looked brilliant. But it wouldn't have been brilliant. It would've been chairty.

And conversely, the fact that he didn't go after Curry only means he was in line with every other coach.

 

[Blueworld_3.0]

UT ran a set OB play with screens and cutters. Most of the time, we lob the ball into a big in the corner. No screens. No cuts. No stress for the D. No chance to force a foul. Why do we not make the other team defend a set play?

Good question but, you'll probably get slammed for asking it.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

Good question but, you'll probably get slammed for asking it.

Cal has certain things he does and certain things he doesn't do. He's not a perfect coach. Nobody is. No, he might not draw up a lot of plays that other coaches do, or play zone, but the vast majority of other coaches that do those things don't bring in the talent he does, nor do they consistently put their teams in a position to win a title.

 

[throatpoker]

1. because a television analyst who didn't attend the game says so

He was in attendance for 100% of the entire day, from before 10am game day for rehearsal until final buzzer including UK walk thru. He even interviewed cal after the first commercial break of the game, "need to get back to coaching my team" cal said and cut off his interview

 

[Bombur]

The hell does that have to do with anything?

If he had offered Steph Curry out of charity (which is what it would've been, cuz no other big coaches offered Steph, either), then he would've lucked out and looked brilliant. But it wouldn't have been brilliant. It would've been chairty.

And conversely, the fact that he didn't go after Curry only means he was in line with every other coach.

Maybe you should educate yourself on the type of players VT was recruiting back during Greenburg's tenure. I know it sounds crazy, but sometimes it helps to know what you are talking about before you open your mouth.

 

[Jkwo]

Maybe you should educate yourself on the type of players VT was recruiting back during Greenburg's tenure. I know it sounds crazy, but sometimes it helps to know what you are talking about before you open your mouth.

I'll do that as soon as you take a remedial course on basic logic so that you can work out why your dig at Greenberg makes no sense.

I also like the idea that we have a resident expert on Virginia Tech recruiting in the 2000s who can't spell Seth's name correctly.

 

[Bombur]

Just because you can't figure something out without someone holding your hand and walking you through it, does not mean it doesn't make sense.

 

[*CatinIL*]

Pathetic that when we lose a game it has to be beaten into our skull on sportscenter...what other program has to go thru that crap....and dont say Duke

Which is why I rarely watch ESPN anymore...especially the talk shows.

 

[UKhoopCat]

But can he help me understand why he picked Vandy to go to the Final Four?

 

[Ben101er]

Cal has basically said the same thing. The team listens in practice, begins the game executing their plan, and as the game goes on, they revert back to old habits, and forget what they are supposed to do.

 

[KyFaninNC]

Well, DUH, Seth. A washed up coach on ESPN, spouting off the obvious. How much does ESPN pay him? I will work for less than he gets.

 

[brianpoe]

Seth was a college basketball coach for 34 years. Thus he is more than just an analyst. He was most likely speaking in generalities as to the 8,000 times, not just UK but all teams prepare for this type of play.

Slamming Seth because we obviously looked like crap makes no sense. It appears to me his point was the lack of attention of our players hurt us.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Just a reminder, Seth Greenberg was the Virginia Tech coach who did not offer Steph Curry a scholarship (Dell Curry has his jersey hanging in the rafters of the VT arena.)


There is a reason no schools have come to offer Greenberg a job.

All true but hes an excellent analyst, and hes exactly right on this point. I posted a few days ago - Jamal Murray has no interest in playing defense, no interest in setting up teammates, no interest in drawing contact. Hes basically content to be a jumpshooter so as to avoid any injury in his 1 year here.

Until this mindset changes, or theres a suitable replacement for him; this team is going nowhere. Fast.

 

[trinity45]

UT ran a set OB play with screens and cutters. Most of the time, we lob the ball into a big in the corner. No screens. No cuts. No stress for the D. No chance to force a foul. Why do we not make the other team defend a set play?

I agree on this point, Cal does not run any out of bounds plays looking to score, just inbound the ball is all we do, not sure why, Throwing the ball long was always our 2nd or 3rd option, we usually tried to run a set with a possible shot under the basket or a 3 in the corner if we could suck the defender in, if nothing comes open then toss it deep.

 

[JasonS.]

UT ran a set OB play with screens and cutters. Most of the time, we lob the ball into a big in the corner. No screens. No cuts. No stress for the D. No chance to force a foul. Why do we not make the other team defend a set play?

Never understood this either.

 

[BlueBlood66]

Just a reminder, Seth Greenberg was the Virginia Tech coach who did not offer Steph Curry a scholarship (Dell Curry has his jersey hanging in the rafters of the VT arena.)


There is a reason no schools have come to offer Greenberg a job.

Actually he offered him a four year scholarship if he redshirted his freshman year because they were already full on scholarships that year. Not a terrible deal for a 5'10" 160 lb kid who didn't play AAU ball and had no other high major offers.

Personally i don't think Greenberg is a very good coach and to me it was more embarrassing that he passed on Seth after everything that happened.

 

[BlobUK]

I've always thought you should zone an inbounds play. Prevents the easy lay up but that's just me.