Selden with 0 points at the half vs ksu.....
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Just called moving pick on a K State player who had both feet planted. 4th foul. Beware the Phog indeed.
It's not the Super Bowl effect but instead an example of why KU fans jokingly call him Seldom. He has a history of showing up for one game and disappearing in the next.
KU's starting big man fouled out too. Refs called the game WAY too tight.
KU fan here. I've got news for you - we're not even that good at home. Up 15 in the second half and we still have to watch Landen Lucas and Jamari Traylor while our talented bigs ride the pine.
If there are refs out there willing to bet on games, which has happened at the NBA and MLB levels, so why wouldn't in college, then games at AFH are the best games to bet. Nobody bats an eye because nobody ever wins there. Self-fulfilling prophecy.
Depending on how the teams do in the tournament, we may look back on the UK-KU game as completely meaningless.
Seemed like a clash of titans, but meh...maybe not this year.
Seemed like a clash of titans, but meh...maybe not this year.
Agree here. I think the short of it is KU simply isn't that good and Self isn't doing what is necessary to elevate the team to a premier level.
Agree with the other poster too, the 'battle of the blue bloods' will be seen by the end of the season as two underperforming teams that met mid-season. Whoopee!
I believe Cal has a better record at Rupp than Self at KU so really the same could be said about betting on Kentucky at Rupp.
Except UK gets nowhere near the home cooking Kansas does. Nice try.
Best part of the internet is you can throw out whatever you want, and never have to justify it with any facts. Like the real world makes you do.
So let me get this straight, KU wins at home because the refs fix the game to win at home; UK wins at home because they are just that much better. Naw, that doesn't seem homerish at all.
I would be willing to bet if you took a poll of fans of the other SEC schools they might have a different opinion of whether UK gets home cooking or not.
I know I am kind of making your point for you but there was a star thrown around here the other day that showed Kentucky vs Opponents since 2006 maybe and we average 1 more ft attempt than opponents
As a quick follow-up, if you look at this website: https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/stat/personal-fouls-per-game, it shows how many fouls team average on the road vs. at home. It doesn't show how other teams fare on particular courts but does show if the team itself is receiving benefits or not. Kentucky sees 5 more fouls on the road than they do at home, which puts them as the 20th greatest disparity in the list provided (351 total teams). Kansas sees .2 more fouls on the road than at home, good for 274th greatest disparity. Last year KU saw just 1.9 more fouls called on the road than at home, good for 142 in the nation. UK saw 1.5 more fouls on the road, good for 175.
Either way you cut it, it not only doesn't support the argument KU gets a huge benefit at home, it actually shows UK to receive a far greater benefit at home this year and roughly the same last year as KU.
If anyone can find how opponents do in particular arenas I'd be interested to see it.
Vandy at UK Fouls: UK 19 - Vandy 10
Ole Miss at UK Fouls: UK 25 - Ole Miss 19
Some home cookin.
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And as my earlier post showed, UK gets 5 fewer fouls called at home vs. on the road. There are only 19 teams out of over 370 that can say they have a better disparity. That seems like the definition of home cooking.
UK fouls a lot. People on this board have talked about it and commentators have talked about it. Simply saying, "we got called for more fouls" doesn't prove anything other than you fouled more.
It's not just about the number of fouls called, it's also about what is and isn't called in certain situations. In the KU game our 87% free throw shooter (Ulis) was mugged on numerous occasions with no call but our 35% shooter shot half of our free throws. Our outside threat that prevented KU from employing the hexagon and 2 got 3 questionable fouls and fouled out with 5 minutes left in regulation and Self switched defenses after that, knowing we didn't have another outside threat to stretch the defense. I'm sure Whitehead, Adams and Sirmons knew that too.
So to be clear, your contention is the refs are deliberately deciding who to call fouls on based on knowing their free throw shooting percentage so it provides a better overall advantage to KU?
A few years ago vs Iowa St late in the season, Jeff Withey got 6 fouls in a game. Another blown call on a drive by a guard who drove straight into a defender with an ibvious charge was called a block
Missouri claims a TRob block to end a game was a near tackle of the shooter at AFH. I am sure there are plenty of vines and YouTube clips. If someone can post one, you decide call.
Missouri claims a TRob block to end a game was a near tackle of the shooter at AFH. I am sure there are plenty of vines and YouTube clips. If someone can post one, you decide call.
I'd never include such a phrase in any statement you want others to take seriously.
Did the possibility ever arise in your head that it also reads as UK gets called for 5 more fouls in their road games? So you completely jump to the UK has to get home cooking and not even a thought to the other teams getting home cooking?
Besides you are also factoring in the Mid major games......... take those out...
Neutral court 3 games (Duke, USF, Ohio State) UK averages 18.3 fouls -- OPP average 17.7 fouls
Road game wins - 2 (Bama , Arkansas) UK averages 24 fouls --- OPP averages 23.5
Road game losses - 5 (UCLA, LSU, Auburn, KU, TENN) UK averages 27 fouls ---- OPP averages 17 fouls
UK Home wins - 6 (ASU, UL, Ole Miss, Miss ST, Vandy, Mizzou) UK averages 19.3 fouls ----- OPP averages 18.2 fouls
If you take the home wins, road wins and neutral court games together...
UK is averaging 20 FT's and 20 Fouls to the OPP 21 FT's and 19 Fouls
In the 5 road losses UK is averaging 21 FT's and 27 fouls to the OPP 35 FT's and 17 fouls
So the KU fans that just think UK is getting massive home cooking are very wrong.
I didn't say that UK is getting massive home cooking, I'm countering the argument that UK receives none and KU receives an inordinate amount. Pointing to fouls is tough because some teams, like UK this year, tend to be more foul happy than others. The direction this thread has taken of, "remember that one time a foul wasn't called" is even less useful.
That said, a lot of people here seem to think that KU gets a massive home benefit and UK receives none but the facts simply don't play that out. If it were true you'd see more of a disparity for KU than UK. You say it could be from other schools getting home cooking and that's true (though I still find it laughable the argument that all these schools are getting home cooking and the only school not is UK) but until we see what the foul totals are over the course of several years for the home team and opponents in home, away, and neutral arenas it will be hard to conclusively argue one way or the other. Regardless, the basic facts we have right now don't support the fans' contention that UK doesn't get a benefit at home and KU gets a massive one.
I'll be perfectly honest - I think whining about the officials is for losers. Its typically reserved for fans of Kansas State, Tennessee, NC State, Missouri, Georgia, Clemson, etc. And the recipients are always Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina and Kansas. Yes, we all get a friendly whistle or two at home. But the officials didn't build our programs. If you believe otherwise there's no reason to watch as the outcome is already decided.
They can ultimately determine the outcome of a game. i.e. UCLA last year and the 4 points basically given to Wisconsin. Heck they might as well have put 4 points on the scoreboard for Wisconsin last year before the starting lineups. It's the inconsistency that's irritating and makes the game less enjoyable to watch.
Let me also add that two officials with better angles didn't make a call. No the one standing nearly parallel with play at half court made the call of basket interference. I think that's one of the problems with the officiating. We have officials in the worst possible positions make these judgment calls when the other two were in better positions and made no call.
Until there are drones and robots calling the games we will always have this argument. Even then we might still have this argument.
Today TCU shot 33 free throws to 13 from Kansas. It's Big 12 basketball. The home court advantage is astounding. And I don't disagree that officiating is abysmal in college basketball. There's no accountability, and we can do nothing to change it.
