SEC West goes 2-5 in bowl games
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2-5. The two SEC West cellar teams, A&M and Arkansas won.
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2-5. The two SEC West cellar teams, A&M and Arkansas won.
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Well, Arkansas did beat Texas. But yeah, pretty much a horrendous year for the SEC.
Hopefully SEC teams can start to get some good QBs on their rosters. Lack of good QB play has killed the conference this year. It is mind boggling that teams with as many elite caliber football players as Alabama and LSU have can be so bad at QB.
And this needs to serve as a wake-up call to the league. This has been the best conference bar none for the past decade. But that dominance may be coming to an end. Urban Meyer has built a legit team that is capable of playing with the best teams the SEC can throw at them. Oregon is also capable of playing with anyone and I don't see that changing. And now with Harbaugh going to Michigan, they too are going to be legit. Penn State is on the upswing. And Michigan State and Wisconsin are very solid teams.
I honestly never dreamed it would be possible at the beginning of this season that the SEC would be facing a challenge of this magnitude from the Big Ten. Hell, I really didn't even see a threat emerging halfway through the season. But it is here. Harbaugh and Meyer just may be able to steal a ton of the SEC's thunder, and quite possibly more SEC area recruits. The last thing we need is for the Big Ten to re-emerge as a football powerhouse. It will really weaken our pitch to recruits that they can come to the SEC and play in the nation's most dominant conference. Damn, I hate to see this unfolding. We may be seeing a shift back to Big Ten and PAC-12 dominance.
Well, Arkansas did beat Texas. But yeah, pretty much a horrendous year for the SEC.
Hopefully SEC teams can start to get some good QBs on their rosters. Lack of good QB play has killed the conference this year. It is mind boggling that teams with as many elite caliber football players as Alabama and LSU have can be so bad at QB.
And this needs to serve as a wake-up call to the league. This has been the best conference bar none for the past decade. But that dominance may be coming to an end. Urban Meyer has built a legit team that is capable of playing with the best teams the SEC can throw at them. Oregon is also capable of playing with anyone and I don't see that changing. And now with Harbaugh going to Michigan, they too are going to be legit. Penn State is on the upswing. And Michigan State and Wisconsin are very solid teams.
I honestly never dreamed it would be possible at the beginning of this season that the SEC would be facing a challenge of this magnitude from the Big Ten. Hell, I really didn't even see a threat emerging halfway through the season. But it is here. Harbaugh and Meyer just may be able to steal a ton of the SEC's thunder, and quite possibly more SEC area recruits. The last thing we need is for the Big Ten to re-emerge as a football powerhouse. It will really weaken our pitch to recruits that they can come to the SEC and play in the nation's most dominant conference. Damn, I hate to see this unfolding. We may be seeing a shift back to Big Ten and PAC-12 dominance.
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But not to pat myself on the back, I was pretty sure the West wasn't all that months ago, OM with that guy at QB who might implode at any point being a top 4 team? State had a good team, but not a number 1 team in the country, defense wasn't stout enough, bad against the pass and offense wasn't explosive enough to cover. Maybe not 15, but I think by 16 the power will start to swing back to the East with everyone being pretty good. I see LSU, State and OM falling off a good bit, OM is going to depend on a qb crazier than Bo, unless he gets sent to jail. But after the showing by the West in the bowl games, we have lost the benifit of the doubt for sure, no going to be able to play those weak teams and expect to get an invite to the playoffs.
Urban spent time in the SEC, he knew the advantages the SEC had over the Big10, even the announcers commented on it tonight, it was DL and LBs. So he went out and got SEC type DL and LBs, Even though Wisconsis beat AU today the rest of the Big10 isn't there, yet. Michigan will get there soon, probably sooner than anyone wants because Harbaugh is an elite recruiter and kids know who he is already. I was surprised Frankin didn't have a better year, I think they will stay a level below tOSU and Michigan.
But not to pat myself on the back, I was pretty sure the West wasn't all that months ago, OM with that guy at QB who might implode at any point being a top 4 team? State had a good team, but not a number 1 team in the country, defense wasn't stout enough, bad against the pass and offense wasn't explosive enough to cover. Maybe not 15, but I think by 16 the power will start to swing back to the East with everyone being pretty good. I see LSU, State and OM falling off a good bit, OM is going to depend on a qb crazier than Bo, unless he gets sent to jail. But after the showing by the West in the bowl games, we have lost the benifit of the doubt for sure, no going to be able to play those weak teams and expect to get an invite to the playoffs.
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Part of that hype was because the west didn't have any teams capable of blowing the other teams out. If Bama was good enough to lay the smack down on the rest of the conference like Oregon does, then people would of forgot about the other schools. The Mississippi schools were not nearly as good as they were made out to be. Heck, we played MSU as good as we played any other school in the SEC outside of USC.
Part of that hype was because the west didn't have any teams capable of blowing the other teams out. If Bama was good enough to lay the smack down on the rest of the conference like Oregon does, then people would of forgot about the other schools. The Mississippi schools were not nearly as good as they were made out to be. Heck, we played MSU as good as we played any other school in the SEC outside of USC.
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Actually 2-5 with the top 5 all losing.
I think what the Bowls has shown is that while the SEC is the best overall conference and West is by far the deepest conference divison the best teams in the B-10, ACC, P-12 and B-12 are on a similar level. All season the SEC West was made out to be so superior. What they really had was 7 really good teams 1-7 but they really were not that elite just all good.
I would have include Mizzou and Georgia as similar teams as the West
Actually 2-5 with the top 5 all losing.
I think what the Bowls has shown is that while the SEC is the best overall conference and West is by far the deepest conference divison the best teams in the B-10, ACC, P-12 and B-12 are on a similar level. All season the SEC West was made out to be so superior. What they really had was 7 really good teams 1-7 but they really were not that elite just all good.
I would have include Mizzou and Georgia as similar teams as the West
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Miss State was the biggest fraud of all. Too much stock was put into them and Alabama jumped to number one because of that win but we saw Kentucky gave MSU everything they could handle. Alabama was good but not traditional Bama. LSU had a good defense and I admired their willingness to schedule Wisconsin in the OOC and Ole Miss seemed talented mid way through the air but Wallace is atrocious.
It was just a down year and it was becoming pretty clear later in the season. Normally it's not like that which is why everyone was so committed to thinking that the best team in the country must be from the SEC but after winning seven in a row, we are now two years removed with no SEC national title winner. Others are improving like one poster said. Oregon is solid but Mariota is better than any QB they have ever had, Ohio State is good, Michigan is going to be back on the map in no time, FSU is an SEC team in the ACC, Michigan State is becoming a force, TCU/Baylor, etc. Someone mentioned it earlier...where have all of the awesome SEC QBs gone?
Miss State was the biggest fraud of all. Too much stock was put into them and Alabama jumped to number one because of that win but we saw Kentucky gave MSU everything they could handle. Alabama was good but not traditional Bama. LSU had a good defense and I admired their willingness to schedule Wisconsin in the OOC and Ole Miss seemed talented mid way through the air but Wallace is atrocious.
It was just a down year and it was becoming pretty clear later in the season. Normally it's not like that which is why everyone was so committed to thinking that the best team in the country must be from the SEC but after winning seven in a row, we are now two years removed with no SEC national title winner. Others are improving like one poster said. Oregon is solid but Mariota is better than any QB they have ever had, Ohio State is good, Michigan is going to be back on the map in no time, FSU is an SEC team in the ACC, Michigan State is becoming a force, TCU/Baylor, etc. Someone mentioned it earlier...where have all of the awesome SEC QBs gone?
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An elite team should only have two or three real tests during a season. A team may slip up and lose a game they shouldn't, but Bama played way too many close games this year to be elite. No matter how great many think the SEC is, there is no way the conference is sitting there with seven or eight teams capable of competing for a title. The 2012 Bama team put pretty good whippings on the majority of the conference. This one did not.
An elite team should only have two or three real tests during a season. A team may slip up and lose a game they shouldn't, but Bama played way too many close games this year to be elite. No matter how great many think the SEC is, there is no way the conference is sitting there with seven or eight teams capable of competing for a title. The 2012 Bama team put pretty good whippings on the majority of the conference. This one did not.
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You should really edit the title of the thread before you look as bad as you do to those of us still up. I'm just going to chalk it up to you being drunk on the simple math fail, no harm no foul long term man.
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Imagine Winston playing for Bama/LSU/Ole Miss. Just baffling to me that these schools, especially, Bama/LSU can't get top QB recruits.
QB play is what ultimately did in Bama tonight. I think you will see SEC teams make that adjustment. If they don't, they will see their stranglehold on college football slip away IMO. If LSU or Ole Miss has a good QB they are a different team. Both had top tier defenses but no help at QB.
Imagine Winston playing for Bama/LSU/Ole Miss. Just baffling to me that these schools, especially, Bama/LSU can't get top QB recruits.
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Ok can somebody tell me which conferences finished up in the bowl outcomes? Since we have concluded that the sec has lost every game by the op what have the other conferences done?
I would also like to see who the sec teams faced? Was it the 4th place sec team facing the 2nd best team of another conference etc??? I'd like somebody to break that down and see if we were playing teams with better records or we had the much better records and were just playing the nancy boys and getting put back in the stalls?
Anybody?
We already have a Seminole talking loads of smack on the Bama/Ohio st game thread. That was after them getting blasted and embarrassed on the biggest of stages. After screaming all season about not getting respect for their come from behind wins on most every team they played to finally playing a good team and they just got whipped like it was Tyson vs Pee Wee Herman.
How did these other conferences fair?
Ok can somebody tell me which conferences finished up in the bowl outcomes? Since we have concluded that the sec has lost every game by the op what have the other conferences done?
I would also like to see who the sec teams faced? Was it the 4th place sec team facing the 2nd best team of another conference etc??? I'd like somebody to break that down and see if we were playing teams with better records or we had the much better records and were just playing the nancy boys and getting put back in the stalls?
Anybody?
We already have a Seminole talking loads of smack on the Bama/Ohio st game thread. That was after them getting blasted and embarrassed on the biggest of stages. After screaming all season about not getting respect for their come from behind wins on most every team they played to finally playing a good team and they just got whipped like it was Tyson vs Pee Wee Herman.
How did these other conferences fair?
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Blake Sims, Cooper Bateman, David Cornwell, and Jacob Coker were all superstar prep players. Brandon Harris and Anthony Jennings are superstar preps as well. The problem is Saban and Miles both aren't offense guys much less QB guys. Think about where the great young QB's come from, generally they were coached by an offensive minded and generally a step further a QB guy.
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The SEC has been down across the board for the last couple of years. That is why it is so frustrating for us. No matter how down the SEC is we seem to be even worse. It is unreal when you think about it. We were primed to make a run and Brooks had us competing but we fell off the map. Brooks didn't recruit enough to sustain it and Joker completely killed. Now we have a coach in his first head job trying to build a program from the cellar up.
Mizzou and A&M come in here and compete right away should have told us something. Mizzou in back to back SEC champ games but we get destroyed in conference.
We are still a couple of years away but the other SEC teams will be up again too. UT, FLA, LSU, GA, and etc won't have too many more down years.
The SEC has been down across the board for the last couple of years. That is why it is so frustrating for us. No matter how down the SEC is we seem to be even worse. It is unreal when you think about it. We were primed to make a run and Brooks had us competing but we fell off the map. Brooks didn't recruit enough to sustain it and Joker completely killed. Now we have a coach in his first head job trying to build a program from the cellar up.
Mizzou and A&M come in here and compete right away should have told us something. Mizzou in back to back SEC champ games but we get destroyed in conference.
We are still a couple of years away but the other SEC teams will be up again too. UT, FLA, LSU, GA, and etc won't have too many more down years.
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Recruiting had nothing to do with sustaining when Brooks left. We went have from having one of the 5 best coaching staffs in the conference to the worst by a large margin. That is why the program fell off. Rich Brooks, Steve Ortmayer, Jimmy Heggins, Rick Petri, Chuck Smith, Randy Sanders, etc... Those are real legitimate football people. Joker replaced them with a bunch of bums.
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The bowl season and current championship format is utterly meaningless IMO. You can't take off a full month of playing competitive football and come back at the top of your game. The whole system is a complete joke and has been for years.
The bowl season and current championship format is utterly meaningless IMO. You can't take off a full month of playing competitive football and come back at the top of your game. The whole system is a complete joke and has been for years.
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Overall conf. records:
@philsteele042: Updated Power 5 conference records
Pac 12 5-1
BIG Ten 5-4 (underdog in all 10)
SEC 5-5 (SEC West 2-5)
ACC 4-6
Big 12 1-4
The top 5 teams in the SEC West went 0-5. 4 of those SEC teams were favored. The team that wasn't favored was Ole Miss. Ole Miss got the ever loving sh#t beat out of them.
Overall conf. records:
@philsteele042: Updated Power 5 conference records
Pac 12 5-1
BIG Ten 5-4 (underdog in all 10)
SEC 5-5 (SEC West 2-5)
ACC 4-6
Big 12 1-4
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The SEC West has certainly given all the haters (and they're coming out of the woodwork in droves) new ammo. Miss. St. and Ole Miss were soft all year long but, benefitted from association with the SEC and a fairly easy schedule. You want to know what the SEC West really was? Look at Auburn. They had a very tough schedule and finished 8-4.
Alabama only had one loss but, were lucky to get by Arkansas. They also had a favorable schedule. I don't know if you could call Alabama "soft" exactly but, they certainly weren't the same team that dominated other programs for the last years. Lane Kiffin will catch a TON of heat for his play calling in that debacle against OSU last night. He may not survive it. At most, I expect him to be gone after next year. Especially if Bama doesn't contend.
LSU never wants to play in a Bowl Game unless it means something so, they were expected to come up with a stinker. However, Notre Dame is very weak and the Tigers should have taken care of business.
Surprisingly, it's been the so-called "2nd tier" SEC schools that have done well in the Bowl season.
The SEC West has certainly given all the haters (and they're coming out of the woodwork in droves) new ammo. Miss. St. and Ole Miss were soft all year long but, benefitted from association with the SEC and a fairly easy schedule. You want to know what the SEC West really was? Look at Auburn. They had a very tough schedule and finished 8-4.
Alabama only had one loss but, were lucky to get by Arkansas. They also had a favorable schedule. I don't know if you could call Alabama "soft" exactly but, they certainly weren't the same team that dominated other programs for the last years. Lane Kiffin will catch a TON of heat for his play calling in that debacle against OSU last night. He may not survive it. At most, I expect him to be gone after next year. Especially if Bama doesn't contend.
LSU never wants to play in a Bowl Game unless it means something so, they were expected to come up with a stinker. However, Notre Dame is very weak and the Tigers should have taken care of business.
Surprisingly, it's been the so-called "2nd tier" SEC schools that have done well in the Bowl season.
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First the media hyped the West like no other, but failed to look overall at the West, the SEC in general was down this year, you can't lose 60 players to the NFL draft and expect these teams to bounce back and be super dominant. Bama and LSU the two usual West power houses were down making the two Mississippi teams look better than they were. But in general only two conferences (if my math is correct) had overall winning records in the bowl games. The PAC 12 was 4-1 and the SEC was 5-4, Big 10 manage to pull even at 4-4.
If you look at it this way, every Power 5 conference outside of the SEC has 2 maybe 3 teams that could go to any conference and still be in that conferences top tier, but the SEC could most likely send 5 teams to any other power 5 conference and still be in the top tier. From top to bottom the SEC has more quality teams it is just the top tier for the SEC is not super dominant, as they have been in the past.
First the media hyped the West like no other, but failed to look overall at the West, the SEC in general was down this year, you can't lose 60 players to the NFL draft and expect these teams to bounce back and be super dominant. Bama and LSU the two usual West power houses were down making the two Mississippi teams look better than they were. But in general only two conferences (if my math is correct) had overall winning records in the bowl games. The PAC 12 was 4-1 and the SEC was 5-4, Big 10 manage to pull even at 4-4.
If you look at it this way, every Power 5 conference outside of the SEC has 2 maybe 3 teams that could go to any conference and still be in that conferences top tier, but the SEC could most likely send 5 teams to any other power 5 conference and still be in the top tier. From top to bottom the SEC has more quality teams it is just the top tier for the SEC is not super dominant, as they have been in the past.
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Then yesterday, the Auburn RB talks about Melvin Gordon and says he wishes he could play Illinois, Purdue, and Northwestern. As if Gordon got his stats against crappy teams. In the Missouri/Minn game, one of the players made tackle and started yelling about how that play doesn't work against SEC speed. Some other SEC QB (can't remember the game) was encouraging his team by telling them "we are the SEC." Everyone talks about "SEC defense." The list goes on and on. It started with the media and the fans and players bought in.
The SEC arrogance is why fans of other teams came out of the wordwork and have relished the last couple of days. The whole idea of rooting for other teams in your conference seems stupid to me, but fans of the SEC schools have bought into it for some reason. I mean, you had Alabama fans taking pride in Auburn winning the NC a couple years ago. WTH is that about? In any event, that's why haters are strutting that ass a bit today. The SEC needed to be taken down a notch from where the media propped it up.
You know why the haters are coming out of the woodwork? Because all season all we heard was how the SEC West was the best division in college football history. ESPN had 4 SEC West teams in the top 4 of its "FPI" at one point. Everyone talks about "SEC speed" like it's different than speed in other conferences. People were talking about how some of the teams in the West could compete in the NFL.
Then yesterday, the Auburn RB talks about Melvin Gordon and says he wishes he could play Illinois, Purdue, and Northwestern. As if Gordon got his stats against crappy teams. In the Missouri/Minn game, one of the players made tackle and started yelling about how that play doesn't work against SEC speed. Some other SEC QB (can't remember the game) was encouraging his team by telling them "we are the SEC." Everyone talks about "SEC defense." The list goes on and on. It started with the media and the fans and players bought in.
The SEC arrogance is why fans of other teams came out of the wordwork and have relished the last couple of days. The whole idea of rooting for other teams in your conference seems stupid to me, but fans of the SEC schools have bought into it for some reason. I mean, you had Alabama fans taking pride in Auburn winning the NC a couple years ago. WTH is that about? In any event, that's why haters are strutting that ass a bit today. The SEC needed to be taken down a notch from where the media propped it up.
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Bunch of bums that couldn't recruit or develop talent. Recruiting is college football. Then you must develop. Joker's crew did neither.
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Frequent coaching changes and shifts in recruiting has created some parity not just in the SEC but college football as a whole.
Frequent coaching changes and shifts in recruiting has created some parity not just in the SEC but college football as a whole.
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I agree with much of what you are saying. After all I was getting jabs early in the year for saying Miss State was the most overrated team I've seen in years. The SEC was down this year and not up to the standards it set for itself in previous years. That said the SEC has the reputation it does because until this year it has backed it up. The big thing I do disagree with though is the part about rooting for other teams in your conference. I have always done that even in basketball. There is just as much validity in conference pride as there is school pride. I was rooting for Bama last night although I predicted OSU would win.
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Let's not lose total perspective on this. Yes, the West did take a bath but only Ole Miss was a true blowout. The other losses could have gone either way and were to good teams. If they had all gotten blown out or lost to way lesser teams it would be different but GA Tech could have beat FSU when they played and was the best team in their division of the ACC. Wisconsin won their division of the Big Ten.....LSU losing to ND was a head scratcher but they went down some after we played them......
So all in all, the SEC is a handful of plays from easily being 9-1 right now.......
Let's not lose total perspective on this. Yes, the West did take a bath but only Ole Miss was a true blowout. The other losses could have gone either way and were to good teams. If they had all gotten blown out or lost to way lesser teams it would be different but GA Tech could have beat FSU when they played and was the best team in their division of the ACC. Wisconsin won their division of the Big Ten.....LSU losing to ND was a head scratcher but they went down some after we played them......
So all in all, the SEC is a handful of plays from easily being 9-1 right now.......
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The point about Alabama losing the game due to QB play is spot on. Even though Sims did show improvement throughout the season I always thought he was a bit suspect and wondered how he would handle a big game situation other than the SEC Championship.
The point about Alabama losing the game due to QB play is spot on. Even though Sims did show improvement throughout the season I always thought he was a bit suspect and wondered how he would handle a big game situation other than the SEC Championship.
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Just speaking about Alabama, even though their QB threw two interceptions, it was their defense that let them down.
Their secondary and pass rush reminded me of Kentucky. Neither one put any pressure on Ohio State. And then OS's running back gained over 200 yards rushing. Not at all typical of Alabama's rush defense either.
Just speaking about Alabama, even though their QB threw two interceptions, it was their defense that let them down.
Their secondary and pass rush reminded me of Kentucky. Neither one put any pressure on Ohio State. And then OS's running back gained over 200 yards rushing. Not at all typical of Alabama's rush defense either.
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What's more telling is that, not only did the SEC West's 5 best teams ALL lose, none were fluke losses. In all 5 cases (including the two overtime games) they were simply outplayed, outgained and beaten at the line of scrimmage.
I was just shocked at how easily Wisconsin and Ohio State were gashing open holes in Auburn and Alabama D-Lines yesterday. For cripes sake, both Wisconsin and Georgia Tech rushed for over 400 yards, and each AVERAGED 7.4 YARDS PER CARRY in their bowl games--they ran through Auburn and Mississippi State's defensive fronts like they were playing Sun Belt defenses. And I won't even get into the utter humiliation laid on Ole Miss.
Tells me that all the hype over the SEC West this year was overblown and the Division was probably overrated from the start. Hopefully it's just a temporary blip and not a continuing trend, but either way, it sure was a humbling couple days for SEC fans everywhere.
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What's more telling is that, not only did the SEC West's 5 best teams ALL lose, none were fluke losses. In all 5 cases (including the two overtime games) they were simply outplayed, outgained and beaten at the line of scrimmage.
I was just shocked at how easily Wisconsin and Ohio State were gashing open holes in Auburn and Alabama D-Lines yesterday. For cripes sake, both Wisconsin and Georgia Tech rushed for over 400 yards, and each AVERAGED 7.4 YARDS PER CARRY in their bowl games--they ran through Auburn and Mississippi State's defensive fronts like they were playing Sun Belt defenses. And I won't even get into the utter humiliation laid on Ole Miss.
Tells me that all the hype over the SEC West this year was overblown and the Division was probably overrated from the start. Hopefully it's just a temporary blip and not a continuing trend, but either way, it sure was a humbling couple days for SEC fans everywhere.
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I know and I agree and I have no idea what the betting lines were but I would be surprised if the SEC teams were overwhelming favorites. I am as surprised as anyone about this many West teams losing, but when 1-2 plays is the only difference in winning/losing, I just don't think the sky is falling on the SEC or the SEC West. If they had all lost like Ole Miss did or Louisville did, then I would feel different. The SEC will be fine.
