Screw the pro-style offense

[MidseasonTweak]

We don't recruit well enough to run this offense consistently well. I want a gimmicky, fast-paced offense that makes it easier to compete in college.

I don't watch UK for its prospects at the next level, I watch it for winning in college.

 

[seccats04]

We don't recruit well enough to run this offense consistently well. I want a gimmicky, fast-paced offense that makes it easier to compete in college.

I don't watch UK for its prospects at the next level, I watch it for winning in college.

It seems like every time we go to a pro style scheme it turns into a $hitshow. I cringe every time I hear a coach say they're going to it. Guess what kinda scheme a struggling TxAM offense uses with all those 4 and 5 star athletes? You guessed it.

 

[gamecockcat]

Well, Coen did pretty well with it last year.

It may be that the scheme is too complicated or needs a different type of athlete than what we've got to run it. But, something certainly isn't working.

Throwing the ball sideways all game long drives me crazy. It doesn't seem like we find the defense's weakness and then scheme to exploit it. UT did. We played a team who is horrible against the pass and we threw only on 3rd down and even then threw very short passes which allowed their LBs to get involved.

Heard last year that SEC DCs thought UK was the hardest team to defend. We have better skill position players this year and we're significantly worse. Tells you all you need to know about the scheme.

 

[rolaid]

Guys for the 100th time we have the worse Oline in football period - not much will work

 

[BIGBLUEQ]

That was not a pro style offense Coen ran. We ran a lot of RPO and let Levis read and run and play football.
How many times have we ran an RPO this season? Not many, if any.

 

[ThunderMash]

Team A: 392.8 ypg, 27.2 ppg

Team B: 373.2 ypg, 26.4 ppg

One of those teams is the Lynn Bowden year. The other is this year. Can you guess who is who?

 

[Girthang]

It seems like every time we go to a pro style scheme it turns into a $hitshow. I cringe every time I hear a coach say they're going to it. Guess what kinda scheme a struggling TxAM offense uses with all those 4 and 5 star athletes? You guessed it.

We tried to go to that with Joker as OC and HC. Worked out well. LOL

We started to do really well with what? A dual threat QB used well, and a running game. Switch to a pro-style and lose 2 games we shouldn't have. Lost our identity. Now we try to run 10-15 pass plays per game behind the line of scrimmage when our receivers are open downfield.

The only thing that cost us a good showing in this game is discipline. As a staff and as a team.

We didn't go through progressions well STILL, didn't line up and manage assignments well STILL, had too many pre-snap issues STILL, and played not to lose STILL. We fkd ourSELVES in this one. Missed open receivers. Dropped the ball on big plays. Ran poor play choices in the red zone, and looked like "the water was cold" all game.

We need to find a killer instinct as a staff and a program. The immaturity of our leadership is crippling. Immature teams play down to their competition as we did against inferior teams in USC and Olemiss. Immature staffs buckle under games like this.

Stoops was so focused on the lack of officiating that he lost his game management. He knows the refs won't call UT for lining up in the neutral zone all game. He knew going in that they wouldn't warn the UT sideline or coach for the >30 violations per game. He has to focus and be discliplined and he was unable to do that.

Either waterboy the lead official and go scorched earth on the SEC offices in the post-game for not doing their jobs, or focus on the game and get a killer instinct. Another option is to be a pssy in the post-game with your tail between your legs because you don't want to get fined. Except your hush money and take your screwing if you prefer it.

They beat us with a great game plan and an average QB. Just like Ole Miss, their QB is still the same one we beat at VT. He just has better receivers and a well paid supporting cast.

The defense actually played well early. They didn't cave in until the offense gave the game away. They made a mistake not going with a smaller lineup that would've avoided the LB or WR mismatch that gave them 2 easy scores, but otherwise got stops.

OUR offense COMPLETELY BENT US OVER, however. I didn't think they could've called a worse game than they already had this season, but they over-achieved in this one. They played into UT's hands repeatedly. Then we fixated on WRs from the snap. Nothing good comes from doing that repeatedly.

 

[Pickle_Rick]

The lack of a killer instinct goes back to my question /poll a few weeks ago. Run up the score, or take a knee. Taking a knee is nor killer instinct.

 

[Bill Bixby II]

We tried to go to that with Joker as OC and HC. Worked out well. LOL

We started to do really well with what? A dual threat QB used well, and a running game. Switch to a pro-style and lose 2 games we shouldn't have. Lost our identity. Now we try to run 10-15 pass plays per game behind the line of scrimmage when our receivers are open downfield.

The only thing that cost us a good showing in this game is discipline. As a staff and as a team.

We didn't go through progressions well STILL, didn't line up and manage assignments well STILL, had too many pre-snap issues STILL, and played not to lose STILL. We fkd ourSELVES in this one. Missed open receivers. Dropped the ball on big plays. Ran poor play choices in the red zone, and looked like "the water was cold" all game.

We need to find a killer instinct as a staff and a program. The immaturity of our leadership is crippling. Immature teams play down to their competition as we did against inferior teams in USC and Olemiss. Immature staffs buckle under games like this.

Stoops was so focused on the lack of officiating that he lost his game management. He knows the refs won't call UT for lining up in the neutral zone all game. He knew going in that they wouldn't warn the UT sideline or coach for the >30 violations per game. He has to focus and be discliplined and he was unable to do that.

Either waterboy the lead official and go scorched earth on the SEC offices in the post-game for not doing their jobs, or focus on the game and get a killer instinct. Another option is to be a pssy in the post-game with your tail between your legs because you don't want to get fined. Except your hush money and take your screwing if you prefer it.

They beat us with a great game plan and an average QB. Just like Ole Miss, their QB is still the same one we beat at VT. He just has better receivers and a well paid supporting cast.

The defense actually played well early. They didn't cave in until the offense gave the game away. They made a mistake not going with a smaller lineup that would've avoided the LB or WR mismatch that gave them 2 easy scores, but otherwise got stops.

OUR offense COMPLETELY BENT US OVER, however. I didn't think they could've called a worse game than they already had this season, but they over-achieved in this one. They played into UT's hands repeatedly. Then we fixated on WRs from the snap. Nothing good comes from doing that repeatedly.

Yeah, that record setting 2007 offense was embarrassing.

 

[Girthang]

Yeah, that record setting 2007 offense was embarrassing.

Lol... Simpleminds.... Record setting for UK? Yes. SEC Title winning? No.

If it wasn't for Rich Brooks, others on the UK staff, and the players, it might have been embarrassing. One pretty good year by OUR standards tells you it wasn't sustainable. The 3 painful years of Joker as HC CEMENTS IT, and THAT WAS embarrassing.

The fact is we are not Georgia or Bama, and even Bama has flexed to a less pro style to suit its personnel in a given year. We've got some great WRs, TEs, RBs, and a decent enough oline that tempo could make the difference for us. It's a little too late now most likely, but there are still games to be played.

Would have helped us a ton when TW was here, and there was certainly no harm in doing it against a tempo team like UT.

"Pro-style" sounds great. Sounds impressive. Can't run pro-style without pro OL, though. Especially at OT. Pro offenses aren't just "pro-style" and that should tell you something if you understood it. Pro-style now is being able to run multiple looks and changing to meet personnel. It's mixing pocket passing with option reads and more, not just pure pocket passing- which is what "pro-style" is.

 

[sluggercatfan]

Guys for the 100th time we have the worse Oline in football period - not much will work

And a HC that despises offensive fb the way it's played today. This ain't 1970's fb

 

[Bill Bixby II]

Lol... Simpleminds.... Record setting for UK? Yes. SEC Title winning? No.

If it wasn't for Rich Brooks, others on the UK staff, and the players, it might have been embarrassing. One pretty good year by OUR standards tells you it wasn't sustainable. The 3 painful years of Joker as HC CEMENTS IT, and THAT WAS embarrassing.

The fact is we are not Georgia or Bama, and even Bama has flexed to a less pro style to suit its personnel in a given year. We've got some great WRs, TEs, RBs, and a decent enough oline that tempo could make the difference for us. It's a little too late now most likely, but there are still games to be played.

Would have helped us a ton when TW was here, and there was certainly no harm in doing it against a tempo team like UT.

"Pro-style" sounds great. Sounds impressive. Can't run pro-style without pro OL, though. Especially at OT. Pro offenses aren't just "pro-style" and that should tell you something if you understood it. Pro-style now is being able to run multiple looks and changing to meet personnel. It's mixing pocket passing with option reads and more, not just pure pocket passing- which is what "pro-style" is.

Simpleminds? The Andre Woodson offense was awesome. The nonsense yall spew to make BS points is amazing. If it weren't for Rich Brooks, the defensive coach, the offense would have been embarrassing? LOL. Thats like saying if it weren't for Mark Stoops last year, the offense would have been embarrassing. Jokers 3 years as head coach cements that he's not a good head coach, it doesn't take away from the Woodson Hartline years.

I'm not even arguing for a pro style offense. Just the notion that the Joker offense was terrible is complete nonsense.

 

[K_TIME]

So much bad takes on this thread...don't know how to begin.

1. We did not run much RPO last year....that is simply not true. We did run a small amount of RPO but the thing we really did was we had the QB draw in the playbook very much so with Levis. We have not run one single QB draw with Levis's legs all year long. Scang has pulled nearly all running Levis from playbook.
2. So you want to go back to Neal Brown/Shannon Dawson stuff? I never thought much of the scheme regardless of our talent level. You want to go back to RPO Terry Wilson stuff....say good bye to any WR/TE ever wanting to come to UK in that stuff.
3. I agree a ton of this reverts to really bad Oline play.....but also Scang has been a bust. Why could Coen with Levis, CROd and Wandale and a bag of chips at all other spots put up such a good offense? Yet know Levis, CRod, Tayvion (who is a solid step down from Wandale), Key and Brown with better TE do so much worse? It all aint' the Oline.

The WR routes are way too much deep stuff with few short routes. Where are the slants, dig routes, etc....We ate people up last year on that stuff. Scang has been awful at OC and Yenser isn't helping him much.

 

[ManitouDan]

So much bad takes on this thread...don't know how to begin.

1. We did not run much RPO last year....that is simply not true. We did run a small amount of RPO but the thing we really did was we had the QB draw in the playbook very much so with Levis. We have not run one single QB draw with Levis's legs all year long. Scang has pulled nearly all running Levis from playbook.
2. So you want to go back to Neal Brown/Shannon Dawson stuff? I never thought much of the scheme regardless of our talent level. You want to go back to RPO Terry Wilson stuff....say good bye to any WR/TE ever wanting to come to UK in that stuff.
3. I agree a ton of this reverts to really bad Oline play.....but also Scang has been a bust. Why could Coen with Levis, CROd and Wandale and a bag of chips at all other spots put up such a good offense? Yet know Levis, CRod, Tayvion (who is a solid step down from Wandale), Key and Brown with better TE do so much worse? It all aint' the Oline.

The WR routes are way too much deep stuff with few short routes. Where are the slants, dig routes, etc....We ate people up last year on that stuff. Scang has been awful at OC and Yenser isn't helping him much.

Agreed , for a nano second I thought I Was recalling the wrong season !! I loved the stat that after 8 games last season Will had like 340 yards rushing .. and this year -46 ... SMH.

And agreed on the pass routes . Seems like the WR's rarely catch a ball on a crossing or slant route .

 

[NoDef]

So much bad takes on this thread...don't know how to begin.

1. We did not run much RPO last year....that is simply not true. We did run a small amount of RPO but the thing we really did was we had the QB draw in the playbook very much so with Levis. We have not run one single QB draw with Levis's legs all year long. Scang has pulled nearly all running Levis from playbook.
2. So you want to go back to Neal Brown/Shannon Dawson stuff? I never thought much of the scheme regardless of our talent level. You want to go back to RPO Terry Wilson stuff....say good bye to any WR/TE ever wanting to come to UK in that stuff.
3. I agree a ton of this reverts to really bad Oline play.....but also Scang has been a bust. Why could Coen with Levis, CROd and Wandale and a bag of chips at all other spots put up such a good offense? Yet know Levis, CRod, Tayvion (who is a solid step down from Wandale), Key and Brown with better TE do so much worse? It all aint' the Oline.

The WR routes are way too much deep stuff with few short routes. Where are the slants, dig routes, etc....We ate people up last year on that stuff. Scang has been awful at OC and Yenser isn't helping him much.

On one of the interceptions we had all four receivers basically diagonally across the field. No spacing at all and the defensive backs covering two guys at once.

 

[Sparkaces1]

So much bad takes on this thread...don't know how to begin.

1. We did not run much RPO last year....that is simply not true. We did run a small amount of RPO but the thing we really did was we had the QB draw in the playbook very much so with Levis. We have not run one single QB draw with Levis's legs all year long. Scang has pulled nearly all running Levis from playbook.
2. So you want to go back to Neal Brown/Shannon Dawson stuff? I never thought much of the scheme regardless of our talent level. You want to go back to RPO Terry Wilson stuff....say good bye to any WR/TE ever wanting to come to UK in that stuff.
3. I agree a ton of this reverts to really bad Oline play.....but also Scang has been a bust. Why could Coen with Levis, CROd and Wandale and a bag of chips at all other spots put up such a good offense? Yet know Levis, CRod, Tayvion (who is a solid step down from Wandale), Key and Brown with better TE do so much worse? It all aint' the Oline.

The WR routes are way too much deep stuff with few short routes. Where are the slants, dig routes, etc....We ate people up last year on that stuff. Scang has been awful at OC and Yenser isn't helping him much.

That’s what I don’t understand about last night, where were all the slants and short routes, why the F was the gameplan to throw sideways. Just unbelievable how bad the the game was called.

 

[R.O.T.Muckinfush]

This is not pro style, pros throw it 60 percent of the time or at least 50 percent and throw it downfield, uk is running a glorified high school offense from the 1980s, who the hell uses a fullback this day in age?

 

[UK_fan_41102]

Consider this, mighty Tennessee-Martin scored 24 against Tennessee last week and their QB also had 301 passing yards.

 

[Girthang]

Simpleminds? The Andre Woodson offense was awesome. The nonsense yall spew to make BS points is amazing. If it weren't for Rich Brooks, the defensive coach, the offense would have been embarrassing? LOL. Thats like saying if it weren't for Mark Stoops last year, the offense would have been embarrassing. Jokers 3 years as head coach cements that he's not a good head coach, it doesn't take away from the Woodson Hartline years.

I'm not even arguing for a pro style offense. Just the notion that the Joker offense was terrible is complete nonsense.

So he had one good year running it with veteran players, but the years it was an absolute shit show don't factor in? OK, Joe.

Rich Brooks and the position coaches factored into the offense. If you don't think so, you're just a Joker fan or family friend. No one else is that naive. There's a reason that audibles and drawing up plays in the huddle won games where our offense struggled otherwise when JP was OC and HC. THERES A REASON why a backup that led us to a victory over Auburn never saw the field again.

The scheme Joker converted the offense to was a disaster. Few could run it successfully. If you think otherwise you either have no idea what that offense required, or you are Joker Phillips

Welcome to the internet, Joker Jr! Hope you enjoyed your first week since mom let you start a Fb profile

 

[Larry00]

Guys for the 100th time we have the worse Oline in football period - not much will work

I don’t think some people are actually understanding this very point right here☝…

…we averaged 199.5 yards per game rushing last year with 27 tds. This year we are only averaging 112.6 ypg with only 7 tds. Granted that was over 13 games, but we had a hair over a 2 TD per game average last season and this year we’re not even averaging 1 per game, with yardage down 87 yards per game.

Levis has been sacked 30 times this year for 205 yards lost in 8 games. He was only sacked 25 times for 156 yards last year for the whole season.

We are actually averaging more passing yards this year than last, and are on pace for virtually the same TD/int as last year.

This season’s woes to me falls squarely on the OLine play, and much more of the blame falls on the coaching staff. We make zero offensive adjustments in a game…run into a brick wall because we are tremendously predictable. And Stoops’ defense has to take some blame also, because we are out of position multiple times…that’s on the coaching staff for not having players prepared. How many times did we watch a LB get caught up trying to guard a WR downfield???

 

[Bill Bixby II]

So he had one good year running it with veteran players, but the years it was an absolute shit show don't factor in? OK, Joe.

Rich Brooks and the position coaches factored into the offense. If you don't think so, you're just a Joker fan or family friend. No one else is that naive. There's a reason that audibles and drawing up plays in the huddle won games where our offense struggled otherwise when JP was OC and HC. THERES A REASON why a backup that led us to a victory over Auburn never saw the field again.

The scheme Joker converted the offense to was a disaster. Few could run it successfully. If you think otherwise you either have no idea what that offense required, or you are Joker Phillips

Welcome to the internet, Joker Jr! Hope you enjoyed your first week since mom let you start a Fb profile

Nah he had 3 good years running it with Woodson and Hartline. Yall act like things didnt happen because of your biases. 2006, 2007, 2008 weren't the offense of misery your guys oddly make it out to be. You're utterly clueless. Andre Woodson has SEC records to this day. LOL at disaster.

 

[seccats04]

Nah he had 3 good years running it with Woodson and Hartline. Yall act like things didnt happen because of your biases. 2006, 2007, 2008 weren't the offense of misery your guys oddly make it out to be. You're utterly clueless. Andre Woodson has SEC records to this day. LOL at disaster.

Wrong. 2006 we finished 43rd in total offense. We were 87th in 2008. Joker had one good year on offense and that was with a bunch of experienced pros. The pro style sucks in college. Even Alabama went away from it.

 

[jnewc2]

We don't recruit well enough to run this offense consistently well. I want a gimmicky, fast-paced offense that makes it easier to compete in college.

I don't watch UK for its prospects at the next level, I watch it for winning in college.

The bad thing is it’ll take Stoops watching 3-4 years of putrid offense before he makes any changes. Just look at how long it took him to get rid of Gran. The guy takes forever to make changes and see that something isn’t working. I’m still waiting on a special teams coach.

 

[EliteBlue]

The bad thing is it’ll take Stoops watching 3-4 years of putrid offense before he makes any changes. Just look at how long it took him to get rid of Gran. The guy takes forever to make changes and see that something isn’t working. I’m still waiting on a special teams coach.

At least grab was willing to adjust on the fly.

He dealt w QB injury after QB injury. He completely revamped the offense and went fully committed to run heavy out of necessity.

Then we tried to go back to a balanced look and you had 2 more QB injuries and he adjusted again and built a basic RPO/Triple option offense around Bowden and saved that season.

The issue was it became a stigma and we were losing WR-QB talent on the recruiting trail bc of how successful our ground and pound has become and we had to make an OC change to be able to sell recruits on the idea that we were committed to passing/balanced offense

 

[Bill Bixby II]

Wrong. 2006 we finished 43rd in total offense. We were 87th in 2008. Joker had one good year on offense and that was with a bunch of experienced pros. The pro style sucks in college. Even Alabama went away from it.

2007 Andre Woodson threw for 3700 yards and 49 TDs. Ragael Little ran for 1000 yards, and Locke had 500 against a tough schedule. Again, you guys are clueless calling this offense awful. Your Joker hatred blinds you.

Also I'm not arguining for pro style offense. Our offense is awful.