Reds - any hope or SOS?
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They have got to hit better this year.
There entire lineup was bad from top to bottom. Winker was ok but they were comparing him to everyone else so he looked like an MVP.
Pitching should be solid again even losing Bauer.
No SS yet so that hurts.
It also doesn't help that the manager is clueless.
There entire lineup was bad from top to bottom. Winker was ok but they were comparing him to everyone else so he looked like an MVP.
Pitching should be solid again even losing Bauer.
No SS yet so that hurts.
It also doesn't help that the manager is clueless.
Arenado move certainly gives the Cardinals a nice combination at the corners with him and Goldschmidt..... but can they carry the roster as the rest of the team is pretty meh.
As for the Reds cant imagine the whole team will again collectively slump, and while the defense leaves much to be desired across the board, I think the pitching can hold their own as long as they're not being asked to get too many extra outs.
Honestly anyone but the Pirates could win it, and 86 wins could probably do it, so most likely only the winner will go to playoffs....don't see any wildcard teams coming out of this division unless playoffs are expanded again.
As for the Reds cant imagine the whole team will again collectively slump, and while the defense leaves much to be desired across the board, I think the pitching can hold their own as long as they're not being asked to get too many extra outs.
Honestly anyone but the Pirates could win it, and 86 wins could probably do it, so most likely only the winner will go to playoffs....don't see any wildcard teams coming out of this division unless playoffs are expanded again.
Backed into the playoffs and none of the replacements in the rotation are near the level of Bauer who they rode all season is filling his shoes. Lorenzen as a full time starter leaves a hole in the bullpen and Wade Miley is an injury prone joke. I'm sure Tejay Antone and maybe even Lucas Sims could find their way into the equation once Miley falters. With that said, the pitching should still be plenty good enough with Gray, Castillo & Mahle if this lineup could actually score some runs. The Reds are slowly moving into another direction at catcher letting Casali go and Tyler Stephenson is the future here with Barnhart still in the mix. The rumors of Castillo, Gray and Suarez being dealt all offseason are just to prepare you for what is eventually coming by the deadline when they are no longer wearing a Reds uniform.
The Reds are cutting their own throat with an OF log jam knowing that Suarez & Senzel have SS playing experience but will continue to put people like Jose Garcia or Kyle Farmer out there over talented young pieces like Senzel or letting Aquino play everyday. Limiting themselves not shuffling people around the field where they are best fit. Shogo, Castellanos, Winker, Aquino are all decent players that deserve playing time but can't all take the field each day. It remains to be seen what the future of the DH in the NL is going to be. I'd prefer to see Senzel take the field at SS or 2B moving Moustakas to 3rd where he's more comfortable and people forget Suarez is a natural SS. Not going to happen but it's also why this team is not going to score runs either with dead weight taking the field. If there is a DH, it's pretty much a toss up between Aquino and Castellanos with his defensive struggles but need to find a way to keep both of them in the line up if possible.
78-84 Too much unknown right now.
The Reds are cutting their own throat with an OF log jam knowing that Suarez & Senzel have SS playing experience but will continue to put people like Jose Garcia or Kyle Farmer out there over talented young pieces like Senzel or letting Aquino play everyday. Limiting themselves not shuffling people around the field where they are best fit. Shogo, Castellanos, Winker, Aquino are all decent players that deserve playing time but can't all take the field each day. It remains to be seen what the future of the DH in the NL is going to be. I'd prefer to see Senzel take the field at SS or 2B moving Moustakas to 3rd where he's more comfortable and people forget Suarez is a natural SS. Not going to happen but it's also why this team is not going to score runs either with dead weight taking the field. If there is a DH, it's pretty much a toss up between Aquino and Castellanos with his defensive struggles but need to find a way to keep both of them in the line up if possible.
78-84 Too much unknown right now.
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Sadly, I'm going to have to listen to the Reds on the radio since Sinclair doesn't want to make a deal with YouTube TV.
The Reds did nothing to upgrade the offense, so unless that magically gets better I don't see the team being in the hunt down the stretch. Losing Bauer hurts a lot too.
They have an inexpensive, 22-year old prospect with good defensive skills. I would rather them take a chance on him instead of signing or trading for another SS. If they have any money to spend, then it needs to go to the bullpen or getting another starter.
The Reds will need some prospects to play above expectations for them to be anything more than a below average-to-average team. Sonny Gray had a solid year last season, but he is a 4th or 5th starter on most clubs. He's the Reds' #2.
The Reds committed to not being successful when they gave Votto his most recent contract. They tried to scrape something together last year with Bauer leading the way, but they appear to be missing several pieces in the current picture.
My thought as weil. Who is the closer going to be? Iglesias never was as good as advertised, but no idea who will be the 9th inning stopper.
I assume we are stuck with Votto at 1B until he is in a wheelchair?
I think they might want to use Sean Doolittle in the closer role eventually, but I remember reading that Amir Garrett could also be looked at for the role.
And yes, the Reds are stuck with Votto at 1B unless the NL decides to embrace the DH.
He only had 78 plate appearances due to injuries. He never had an opportunity to correct his slump, but he did have an OBP that was 60 points above his batting average. He does have a good eye at the plate, and he did well in the minors.
This one isn't on the Reds' scouting department. He was considered the top hitter in his draft class by everyone. He was also a Top 10 overall prospect in the entire MLB. It wasn't just the Reds who thought he might be an excellent baseball player.
I hate to think it, but I believe that they will not be as good. Their lineup will not be as good, and they lost some key pitchers. I think that until they shed the big salary of Votto, they can't afford to be competitive. What a big mistake to give him that kind of contract.
If he's Top 10 he needs to show it. All he's shown to this point is that he's injury prone, frequently gets overpowered by ML fastballs and hasn't seen a breaking ball in the dirt he won't chase. Top 10 is All-Star level, better start playing to that level now.
I looked it up, and Votto is guaranteed $25 Million in 2021, 2022, and 2023. The Reds also have to pay a $23 Million luxury tax on him this year. He is scheduled for $20 Million in 2024, but the Reds do have a $7 Million buyout option, which is almost the certain route they will take. Until 2024, they are pretty much handcuffed on bringing in any major talent, but, they brought it on themselves. Really poor management.
Huge news. Reds sign OF Tyler Naquin. Back up outfielder in Cleveland to further add to the outfield log jam and still no shortstop. Kyle Farmer is not a starting caliber SS and it looks like Jose Garcia is going to start the year in either AA or AAA. Barry Larkin says he is going to be a monster some day. What on earth have people seen in him? Look at his overall stats in the farm system. Underwhelming to say the least.
Sonny Gray is definitely better than a 4 or 5. He's a 1-3 starter on most teams and only a 4 or 5 if a team have a Smoltz, Maddux and Glavine ahead of them. Two time all-star once in 2015 and in 2019 with the Reds. Could have been a little better last season 5-3, 3.70 but last season is a weird season I expect more of 2019 then traded to some playoff team. He still has many suitors out there on the market that wanted him this offseason and while I'm glad he's still a Red, he'll be gone, rest assured and not looking forward to the day.
He's a guy that has up and down years. He hasn't pitched more than 200 innings in a season since 2015. Anybody who is a legitimate #1-3 has to have the longevity and consistency, and he doesn't.
He had a 5.69 ERA and 1.49 WHIP in his last full year with Oakland in 2016. He had a 4.90 ERA and 1.49 WHIP with the Yankees in 2018.
If he was on the trade market, then no team would offer the Reds what they would offer for a legitimate ace or high-end starting pitcher. And if they would, then the Reds are dumb for holding onto him.
I'm aware of his stats but you must be unaware he was dealing with significant injuries in that time and some people need more time to bounce back to form. Hell, Randy Johnson went to New York and sucked and once he left got his ERA back below 4.00. I'm sure you'll be one of the those pissing and moaning when he is gone and how the Reds once again did not receive enough for him. I by no means ever cut the Reds breaks and think management is incompetent but must give credit where it is due. They got a steal with Gray and if you want to look at stats only, look at the back of Bauer's baseball card. Only 2 years in his career with an ERA under 4.00 and the dude got paid!!
If the Reds got a steal, then now is the time to trade him for prospects and build for the future. Buy low, sell high. The market dictates value, and if he's worth something, then there's no point in having him when they are looking 3+ years down the road before being successful.
We'll see how he does this season. My hopes are not high, but if he returns to All-Star form once again, then he will probably be traded at the deadline. Good thing for the Reds.
I agree with that. Given the Reds chances of actually being contenders with no upgrade at offense, it would probably be smart to trade him and replenish the farm system if you're losing anyway. Wasn't a fan of how they let Cozart walk in a losing season when he could have been traded for at least cash or in hindsight, since the Reds went nowhere in the playoffs a prospect haul for Bauer would have been nice last season.
I think we'll win 75-80 games. So disappointed in our front office. I've always given the Reds the benefit of the doubt because I just love Reds baseball; but the lack of movement this offseason, considering the apathy everyone else but StL had, gave us a real shot to win the Central. And Castellini and Krall were happy to just stand pat with thumb up ass. Inexcusable.
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I also agree it's way too early to give up on Senzel who hasn't had a full season in the majors yet. Cut bait with him now and guarantee some other team swoops in and probably thrives. Hope he sees consistent at bats and no reason he has not been discussed as an infielder where he is a natural fit.
Not that I am a huge fan of Villar but they should have signed him to play SS. Not a huge contract placeholder till Garcia is ready.
Since they have no SS outside of Farmer who is nothing more than a platoon player against LHP. I would go into spring training having Senzel play SS. He is still young and athletic and has played a little SS in the minors. That opens up the logjam in the OF. Gets Winker, Shogo and Castellanos in the OF . Not one player in the lineup outside of Barnhart and Shogo can field anyway so just go with Senzel at SS.
It is not like there s a ton of groundballs being hit in MLB these days.
Really hoping Lorenzen and Antone grab the last two spots behind Castillo,Gray and Mahle.
Don't wanna see Miley anywhere near the rotaton. But since he gets payed more than Antone I expect if healthy he will be the 4th guy in the rotation.
As for the bullpen I hate having a set closer. Let guys pitch multiple innings of relief if they are throwing the ball well. Nothing wrong with 2-3 inning saves. Use Sims,Garrett and if his fastball returns to form use Doolittle as well to save games.
I expect the hitting to be improved and the pitching to slip some. overall at best I see if things break right a possible wildcard team. At worst a 90 loss team if filled with injuries.
Since they have no SS outside of Farmer who is nothing more than a platoon player against LHP. I would go into spring training having Senzel play SS. He is still young and athletic and has played a little SS in the minors. That opens up the logjam in the OF. Gets Winker, Shogo and Castellanos in the OF . Not one player in the lineup outside of Barnhart and Shogo can field anyway so just go with Senzel at SS.
It is not like there s a ton of groundballs being hit in MLB these days.
Really hoping Lorenzen and Antone grab the last two spots behind Castillo,Gray and Mahle.
Don't wanna see Miley anywhere near the rotaton. But since he gets payed more than Antone I expect if healthy he will be the 4th guy in the rotation.
As for the bullpen I hate having a set closer. Let guys pitch multiple innings of relief if they are throwing the ball well. Nothing wrong with 2-3 inning saves. Use Sims,Garrett and if his fastball returns to form use Doolittle as well to save games.
I expect the hitting to be improved and the pitching to slip some. overall at best I see if things break right a possible wildcard team. At worst a 90 loss team if filled with injuries.
I agree, tired of us trying to force Senzel to be an OF when IF was a point of need and has been. I understand when we go and sign a guy like Moose to 2B, but we have a logjam, we need SS, could Senzel fare better at 3rd and Suarez go back to SS? Just seems like a waste to force him out there where we have had ample help, and meanwhile we go and sign ornuse guys as fill in like Garcia, Peraza, etc.
Love Joey but we are stuck with him at this point. He's earned his contract by being best 1B in Reds history, but at this point its hurting us .
Oh well. Hope springs eternal. First Reds spring training game is 3pm next Sunday v Cleveland. I can't wait!!
Love Joey but we are stuck with him at this point. He's earned his contract by being best 1B in Reds history, but at this point its hurting us .
Oh well. Hope springs eternal. First Reds spring training game is 3pm next Sunday v Cleveland. I can't wait!!
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Wish Votto would restructure his contract to improve team needs but Cincinnati would just piss the funds away and build a new gimmick feature at GABP in an attempt to attract fans or spend in the community. After all the losing Votto has endured in his career, I'd laugh in their face if they asked me to take a pay cut and give up money. Only if the front office had proven to be competent and serious about winning over the years would I'd ever consider something like that.
Votto's contract looks bad now that he has fizzed out by his mid 30s and coming off the Bailey contract but a large part of the Reds problems is the money to keep talented players to build around instead of nonstop fire sales. Instead guys like Chapman or Cueto should have gotten Homer Bailey's contract. Got too intoxicated off the no-hitters when signing him to that bogus deal. Knowing they had no shot in hell at re-signing Bauer he walks in free agency rather than trade for a prospect haul in return. If you're a small market team that is dependent on building through trades and the draft, you can't afford to just let guys like Bauer leave instead of missing an opportunity to trade. Hope that 2 game stunt getting swept as a 7 seed was worth it.
They had enough with Edwin Encarnacion only to see him become one of the games most lethal power hitters in the past decade when the Reds have the most hitter friendly park all for an over the hill Scott Rolen. Could not even win a playoff series. He was brought in to be a veteran presence and shore up the defense but made a costly error himself in the postseason. Really worth Encarnacion wasn't it?? I don't think the defensive issues he had in Cincinnati would have outweighed the numbers that he could have put up in his prime in GABP. Why didn't Cincinnati hold onto Chapman letting the suspension run its course and get Gleyber Torres instead of New York? All because of the idiots and cheap skates that run the Reds organization.
Votto's contract looks bad now that he has fizzed out by his mid 30s and coming off the Bailey contract but a large part of the Reds problems is the money to keep talented players to build around instead of nonstop fire sales. Instead guys like Chapman or Cueto should have gotten Homer Bailey's contract. Got too intoxicated off the no-hitters when signing him to that bogus deal. Knowing they had no shot in hell at re-signing Bauer he walks in free agency rather than trade for a prospect haul in return. If you're a small market team that is dependent on building through trades and the draft, you can't afford to just let guys like Bauer leave instead of missing an opportunity to trade. Hope that 2 game stunt getting swept as a 7 seed was worth it.
They had enough with Edwin Encarnacion only to see him become one of the games most lethal power hitters in the past decade when the Reds have the most hitter friendly park all for an over the hill Scott Rolen. Could not even win a playoff series. He was brought in to be a veteran presence and shore up the defense but made a costly error himself in the postseason. Really worth Encarnacion wasn't it?? I don't think the defensive issues he had in Cincinnati would have outweighed the numbers that he could have put up in his prime in GABP. Why didn't Cincinnati hold onto Chapman letting the suspension run its course and get Gleyber Torres instead of New York? All because of the idiots and cheap skates that run the Reds organization.
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You hit on the problem with Senzel. Injuries. He's only good for about half the season before he's on the DL. he's been that way even in the minors. I would like to see what he can do if he can play one full injury free season.
Am i Alone in thinking Hunter Greene should focus on becoming the next Aroldis Chapman with his velocity? he's already had Tommy John before even making it to the big show. Is trying to get 200+ innings out of him as a starter too much to ask for somebody that throws as hard as he does? Should they teach him to back off the heat a little for long-term arm health and only bring the 100+ heat when he needs it? or do they develop him as a closer of the future?
Suarez starting to play some SS come tomorrow in a ST game and see Moose back at 3rd. Rumors India could break camp at 2B with a solid spring but with the Reds, always a wait and see approach. Meanwhile a natural Infielder Nick Senzel has played 1 career game in the infield in his entire MLB career. Makes sense only if India makes the team, if not wasted development with the OF log jam. Shogo and Sonny Gray likely starting the year on the IL.
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Not sure about the SOS. Will have to ask Herro’s Heroes. You would think SOS is not as important since there are only 30 teams, but some divisions are stronger than others and the differences in interleague schedules.
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