Wow, this would be nuts.
http://247sports.com/Article/Sources-Major-Potential-Shift-In-NCAA-Transfer-Rules-107001121
http://247sports.com/Article/Sources-Major-Potential-Shift-In-NCAA-Transfer-Rules-107001121
Potential rule change - transfers eligible immediately
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Seems like the mid-majors and low majors would be outraged with the idea their kids could be looking to move up.
It should clearly state that only transfers to uk won't be eligible immediately. Per John Higgins and mark Emmert guidelines
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If the NCAA is looking to repair their tarnished image, they would be better served by punishing UNC, UL, and not allowing Duke to do as they please.
IMO this is the NCAA trying to avoid the characterization of student-athletes as employees.
Frankly, I don't see why a student shouldn't be able to transfer and be immediately eligible. It's allowed with graduate transfers and the world hasn't come to an end.
Frankly, I don't see why a student shouldn't be able to transfer and be immediately eligible. It's allowed with graduate transfers and the world hasn't come to an end.
More importantly it is true of most every other student, faculty, staff, and coaches.
So a player can put his feelers out and if he likes what he is seeing. Boom transfer to Whatsamatta U play immediately. I see this being a Kansas windfall immediately.
Terrible idea. Big time programs will be poaching players left and right. Humans just cannot leave well enough alone. Must chip chip chip until there's nothing left.
Just wait until Kansas and Duke get the Steph Curry's of the lower programs on their rosters immediately based on their roster needs. Then the ones that can't wait to see the system in anarchy will think twice.
Just wait until Kansas and Duke get the Steph Curry's of the lower programs on their rosters immediately based on their roster needs. Then the ones that can't wait to see the system in anarchy will think twice.
I agree. Don't like it. It takes away any accountability from choosing a school if a kid knows he can just go somewhere else immediately.
Why shouldn't the Duke's, Kansas's, and even Kentucky's be able to add players from lower programs? Or more to the point, why shouldn't the Steph Curry players be allowed to transfer up if that's what they want to do? One of the primary goals of college is to prepare students for their chosen career field, shouldn't the students be allowed to go and attend the program best suited to get them to where they want to go?
For example if you want to play professional basketball in the NBA, you go to Kentucky/Duke. If you want to play professional basketball in Belgium, you go to UofL. If you want the local and national media to cover up your criminal tendencies and actions, you go to Kansas.
We've already got issues in college basketball with transfers. It's becoming out of control. That doesn't even add into the equation the ones that don't transfer because they'd rather not sit out.
I think it's ridiculous how many people can't identify the issues that come from rulings like this. College basketball is not a minor league system. Next these same people will be talking cap space and trades.
The rule is there for a reason. And no Duke and Kentucky should not be allowed to poach other rosters for players. Can't believe anyone would actually agree with that. Kentucky wouldn't do it anyway. We're the good boys now, remember?
Duke, Kansas, and UNC will be doing it, and it could become dangerous in a hurry.
I'll disagree and state that nothing could persuade me on it.
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College basketball would become a free for all. Recruiting low and mid major freshmen would become a niche for some coaches in the way one and done has been for Cal. True Cinderellas in March will become extinct.
It would turn the weeks of bowl season/April into college free agency. I guess I sound like an old fogey but it would just feel unseemly and wrong. Really, it would just be the official end of the old pretenses around amateurism in sports at the collegiate level. We all know it's big business and most of us realize the old arguments about paying players are antiquated. But most of us can also remember college sports being special and not the minor leagues, too. I hate we have lost that.
It would turn the weeks of bowl season/April into college free agency. I guess I sound like an old fogey but it would just feel unseemly and wrong. Really, it would just be the official end of the old pretenses around amateurism in sports at the collegiate level. We all know it's big business and most of us realize the old arguments about paying players are antiquated. But most of us can also remember college sports being special and not the minor leagues, too. I hate we have lost that.
Agree with those that say it's a terrible idea. I think they need to modify the transfer rule, but to include things like being able to transfer if the coach you signed with leaves or if the program is put on probation for actions prior to your arrival.
Of course because for you the players are there for your enjoyment. Screw the fact that they don't get paid, but coaches make millions. Screw the fact that coaches can change jobs at will. Screw the fact that other scholarship students can transfer without repercussions. Because its all for your enjoyment, watching your puppets dance.
Horrible idea. Coaches already have to plan on players graduating or going pro early. Throw in some unexpected transfers and it will be ridiculous trying to keep a full roster.
It would probably hit us as well. Someone like Gabriel or SKJ might not stick around if they feel they are going to lose playing time and then we lose experience.
The only way I would let this happen is if the head coach can deny it to keep players from going to conference or non conference rivals. That is how it is already supposed to be, but most coaches seem to cave and end up allowing a player to go to a rival/conference opponent (Tubby Smith - Marvin Stone to UL, Kevin Stallings - Cam Johnson to UNC).
I don't have a problem letting a guy like a Stacey Poole Jr. go to a lesser program and play right away. I do have a problem with Cam Johnson going to UNC and playing immediately. You basically give coaches another chance after missing out on some players recruiting and then they can try recruiting behind the scenes to fill their needs from off of other teams.
If this passes they should just disband the NCAA.
It would probably hit us as well. Someone like Gabriel or SKJ might not stick around if they feel they are going to lose playing time and then we lose experience.
The only way I would let this happen is if the head coach can deny it to keep players from going to conference or non conference rivals. That is how it is already supposed to be, but most coaches seem to cave and end up allowing a player to go to a rival/conference opponent (Tubby Smith - Marvin Stone to UL, Kevin Stallings - Cam Johnson to UNC).
I don't have a problem letting a guy like a Stacey Poole Jr. go to a lesser program and play right away. I do have a problem with Cam Johnson going to UNC and playing immediately. You basically give coaches another chance after missing out on some players recruiting and then they can try recruiting behind the scenes to fill their needs from off of other teams.
If this passes they should just disband the NCAA.
This rule could level the field for the student players. Scholarships are a ONE YEAR DEAL. If the school/Coach decides not to renew a scholarship, the kid is out.
With this rule, if a kid decides the school is not worthy of his commitment, he/she could move on without delay.
With this rule, if a kid decides the school is not worthy of his commitment, he/she could move on without delay.
I have to imagine there will be some relatively strict cut-off dates. No way players should be able to transfer anytime after the Spring. NCAA won't allow a kid to bail on his school in August to play for Kansas in November..
March Madness is the money maker, and if the NCAA has any brain, they won't let 10-12 super teams be formed and take away the magic of the tournament.
March Madness is the money maker, and if the NCAA has any brain, they won't let 10-12 super teams be formed and take away the magic of the tournament.
It should be WELL before that. Coaches should know who to expect on their rosters by July.
You should have a few dates: The first is the deadline to leave your current program or you have to sit a year, say May 1st. Another date to decide on the new program maybe a month later. As someone said, it's already hard enough figuring out rosters with collegiate turnover and the 1AD system. Let coaches know they'll be losing a player before Spring signing period is over
Can you imagine the "dark money" being passed around during the free agent period? Parents would get jobs they aren't qualified for, siblings would get schollies they shouldn't, and some mid level talent would be driving some awfully nice vehicles; even more so than now.
However, I have a problem with a coach being able to jump ship but not players. There is no loyalty in this BUSINESS. The players have very little recourse if their lives get changed by a coach departure.
However, I have a problem with a coach being able to jump ship but not players. There is no loyalty in this BUSINESS. The players have very little recourse if their lives get changed by a coach departure.
Classic bs good lord.
It's colleg basketball. If they want to be professionals they can hit the workforce or go pro.
Coaches are paid professionals. A few coaches changing jobs is not the same as hundreds of athletes switching programs whenever they feel like it.
Other scholarship students (I assume you mean academic) are not committing to a team with other players and coaches trying to build a roster for the university.
They can transfer out, they just need to sit a season. It's a good deterrent.
This is the kind of guy I'm talking about. Total idealist with no concept of the consequences. And if he understands the consequences, he just
Doesn't give a sht. All in the name of a diluted sense of righteousness.
Life isn't always fair, and what's fair isn't always the right way to create and enforce rules. But of course you wouldn't understand a word of that.
A bernout no doubt.
I don't personally have a problem with it, if that's the direction the NCAA wants to go. However, it would be absolutely disastrous for any schools beyond the top 20 or so programs. You might as well scratch the NCAA tournament because it's done. Right now smaller schools survive because, while they can't get the best talent, they keep theirs longer. Now you would have programs like Kentucky recruiting the best of the best, then letting smaller schools train up the mid-tier players, which we would immediately poach the best of once they developed and our players went on to the NBA. The large programs would have full-time staff dedicated to nothing but scouting potential recruits at mid-majors. College athletics as we know it now would immediately be decimated.
But again, if that's what the NCAA wants.
But again, if that's what the NCAA wants.
I could see Pitino really abusing this...
It won't affect us much beyond us not getting many players back who aren't one and done.
It won't affect us much beyond us not getting many players back who aren't one and done.
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