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POLL: Does Oscar Tshiebwe return in 2022?

Does Tshiebwe return in 2022?

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  • No (Declares for NBA Draft and leaves)

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LockedonUk

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When you Google Oscar Tshiebwe, and things related to his NBA Draft stock, you don’t see a whole lot on him. You have to go and look at some individual mock drafts, and you begin to realize that there isn’t a lot of love being thrown in his direction.


NBADraft.net currently has Tshiebwe going 42nd overall to the Minnesota Timberwolves. Now, that would be awesome to see Tshiebwe unite with Karl-Anthony Towns and Jarred Vanderbilt. Personally the mock confuses me because Minnesota has five guys on roster that play the four or the five that have been in the league three years or less, three of which average at least 7 points- so I don’t get it. But I’m not here to talk about Minnesota’s draft choices, I’m not even here to talk about how Tshiebwe will perform as a pro. I’m here to point out the fact that it seems like not a lot of teams are looking at Tshiebwe as a valuable draft choice right now. I might just be looking in the wrong places. But a second round grade for the best player in college basketball seems surprising, since 7 of the last 10 Naismith Players of the Year were lottery picks (two went first overall).

Tshiebwe is now eligible to receive NIL deals through The Familie. He's on Cameo already and I would imagine he will feature a variety of deals here in the coming weeks, as he will likely be the NPOTY.

Do you guys think Oscar Tshiebwe will return in 2022 because of how profitable his NIL deals will be, as opposed to taking a second round draft spot and a G League contract?
 
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If it was anywhere else it would be a lock he's back. But with Cal you never know. I still say he will. Because the staff really hasn't hit the recruiting for big men that hard after Bona so they must think he's back.
 
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Sadly, I think he is gone.
He is showing a propensity to knock down that 15-17 footer to go along with his motor, size and ofcourse his insane ability to rebound a basketball.
 
Big Cat fan said:
If it was anywhere else it would be a lock he's back. But with Cal you never know. I still say he will. Because the staff really hasn't hit the recruiting for big men that hard after Bona so they must think he's back.
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He’s the front runner for NPOY. There isn’t a program in the country where it would be “a lock” that he’d be back.
 
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I think he will be back. This was huge for him to get NIL. He could potentially play his way into a late first round pick if he returns.

I'm sure he will test waters but Oscar will absolutely kill it in NIL. I think that coupled with the fact that he loves Cal and this place (fans/UK) will bring him back ultimately.
 
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TJWalkersBurner said:
He’s the front runner for NPOY. There isn’t a program in the country where it would be “a lock” that he’d be back.
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Players not in the first go back to school. Just last year happened at Mich, Zags, Nova, KU, Purdue hack probably more. Kids do indeed go back so stop.
 
Big Cat fan said:
Players not in the first go back to school. Just last year happened at Mich, Zags, Nova, KU, Purdue hack probably more. Kids do indeed go back so stop.
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The issue isn’t whether players EVER come back. Of course some do. But plenty leave early too. Just look at last years second round selections. TONS of freshmen, sophs and juniors who left eligibility on the table. So to act like like it would just be a lock that Oscar would come back at any other school besides kentucky is really uninformed.
 
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LockedonUk said:
When you Google Oscar Tshiebwe, and things related to his NBA Draft stock, you don’t see a whole lot on him. You have to go and look at some individual mock drafts, and you begin to realize that there isn’t a lot of love being thrown in his direction.


NBADraft.net currently has Tshiebwe going 42nd overall to the Minnesota Timberwolves. Now, that would be awesome to see Tshiebwe unite with Karl-Anthony Towns and Jarred Vanderbilt. Personally the mock confuses me because Minnesota has five guys on roster that play the four or the five that have been in the league three years or less, three of which average at least 7 points- so I don’t get it. But I’m not here to talk about Minnesota’s draft choices, I’m not even here to talk about how Tshiebwe will perform as a pro. I’m here to point out the fact that it seems like not a lot of teams are looking at Tshiebwe as a valuable draft choice right now. I might just be looking in the wrong places. But a second round grade for the best player in college basketball seems surprising, since 7 of the last 10 Naismith Players of the Year were lottery picks (two went first overall).

Tshiebwe is now eligible to receive NIL deals through The Familie. He's on Cameo already and I would imagine he will feature a variety of deals here in the coming weeks, as he will likely be the NPOTY.

Do you guys think Oscar Tshiebwe will return in 2022 because of how profitable his NIL deals will be, as opposed to taking a second round draft spot and a G League contract?
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Exactly why I started that thread about why does Kessler have more value than Oscar …I started checking mock drafts and a vast majority of them didn’t even have Oscar getting drafted …I was like “WHAT” 😳 …even if all Oscar could do was rebound you’d think as well as he does that he should at the minimum be a 2nd rounder …rebounding skills “WILL” translate to the NBA.

I don’t get it at all …having said all that if this new NIL deal gets Oscar back …SIGN ME UP COACH LOL …also I put he returns
 
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Big Cat fan said:
Players not in the first go back to school. Just last year happened at Mich, Zags, Nova, KU, Purdue hack probably more. Kids do indeed go back so stop.
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Wonder where they find all those guys to draft in the second round then? Strange if they are all in school.
 
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Given the dire family situation his people are in, my guess is he goes pro. His draft status will NEVER be any higher than it is right now,and if he were to have a less productive year next year it would plummet. I will be shocked if he returns
 
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Of course I would love to have Oscar back next year. And I think now the chances of that have increased (to near 50/50), but still think he goes pro drafted end of 1st round.
But say he does return, does that affect Collins, Brooks, Toppin or even Hopkins returning. Does it mean we don’t go after a transfer 4/5 (unless one of those other guys leaves), we also adding Livingston and probably return Ware.
I really think Collins may be a star next year (and I correctly predicted he would not be physically ready this year). If he played next to Oscar that gives us the tim protector, but what about Toppin or Brooks.
 
ArtLaibsGhost said:
Given the dire family situation his people are in, my guess is he goes pro. His draft status will NEVER be any higher than it is right now,and if he were to have a less productive year next year it would plummet. I will be shocked if he returns
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Very good answer, and same reason Ulis left even though just projected as 2nd round pick.
 
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ArtLaibsGhost said:
Given the dire family situation his people are in, my guess is he goes pro. His draft status will NEVER be any higher than it is right now,and if he were to have a less productive year next year it would plummet. I will be shocked if he returns
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Why would he have a less productive year next year? This idea that a persons draft stock will never be higher is irrational.

O is not a freshman with untapped potential. He’s a known quantity. His NBA career is not going to be any different no matter when he goes.

It will be a decision that’s absolutely not based on his draft stock will never be higher. That would just be an excuse not a thought out reason.
 
No! He'll get a first round guarantee after the draft workouts.
 
yes_takeaside said:
Why would he have a less productive year next year? This idea that a persons draft stock will never be higher is irrational.

O is not a freshman with untapped potential. He’s a known quantity. His NBA career is not going to be any different no matter when he goes.

It will be a decision that’s absolutely not based on his draft stock will never be higher. That would just be an excuse not a thought out reason.
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He will probably be the college basketball POTY, his family lives in squalor in another country, Why would he risk coming back here next year when his family needs the NBA money he would surely provide. He could get hurt ,he most likely will not be the POTY 2 years in row. What could he do next year that he hasn’t already done. I just can’t see how coming back would best serve his or his families best interest. It would certainly serve UK and our fans interest but I’m not so sure about his.
 
Whatever Oscar wants I will gladly support him. No doubt whatsoever he will be a better player if he stays. The kids having fun, now when you have money in hand, you tend to make choices on happiness, no money, you have to go.

Run it one more time.
Go Cats!!
 
If you win player of the year, you'll never have a better time to go pro and monetize that. I bet he goes end of first or early second. He also could get bigger money overseas. I love Oscar, and he is the missing piece for next year for sure, but he gone.
 
JonathanW said:
Very good answer, and same reason Ulis left even though just projected as 2nd round pick.
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That was pre NIL. Almost certain if Ulis was making 7 figures in NIL deals, more than likely he would have stayed as well rather than settle for 2nd Rd money with no guarantees.

With the new ruling yesterday, Oscar could very well make more money with NIL at Kentucky than any money he could make going 2nd Rd. This NIL ruling for him changes everything in my opinion as why leave a place early that you love and now getting paid handsomely for, to go somewhere where you most likely won’t get any guaranteed money at the start.
 
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HerrosHeroes said:
Sadly, I think he is gone.
He is showing a propensity to knock down that 15-17 footer to go along with his motor, size and ofcourse his insane ability to rebound a basketball.
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He's a beast and consistent. All you state is true. He even passes well and has good vision to get the ball to open guys. If there's one Achilles heel he has it's when he tries to put the ball on the floor. If he has to take more than two or three dribbles he's turnover prone. fortunately he realizes this most of the time and tries to get rid of it when he's put in a position where he has to do that.
 
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Initially I thought "no".. but I think him getting this NIL stuff figured out, says that he might be thinking of next year. He seems to be different than most players. He's a bit more focused on winning and his character, and less on trying to make it to the NBA.
 
What kind of money is he looking at for NIL next year versus what he’d make if he went second round? I’ve heard a couple folks on podcasts, Twitter, etc. act like he would make way more off of NIL.
 
A good comparison I think would be to look at Luka Garza last year. Dude absolutely dominated college basketball and was taken in the middle of the second round because of the same issue that he wasn't a modern big. He signed a 2 year 2.4 million dollar contract with about 900k guaranteed at signing. This doesn't seem like life changing money and the 1.2 million would be in the ballpark of what Oscar could earn coming back. Oscar's draft status will never be higher than it will be over the next few weeks but he will likely fall back down after the season when his measurables are very pedestrian leading up to the draft and his projection drops to like 40-50.
 
If the NIL continues I have a feeling he may return for another year. If you watch the last few games he lets smaller guards beat him to the rim. Needs to work on his shot a little more. As some of you have pointed out he is somewhere in the middle of the 2nd round. Now if the NCAA does mess up the NIL money he may leave.
 
yes_takeaside said:
Why would he have a less productive year next year? This idea that a persons draft stock will never be higher is irrational.

O is not a freshman with untapped potential. He’s a known quantity. His NBA career is not going to be any different no matter when he goes.

It will be a decision that’s absolutely not based on his draft stock will never be higher. That would just be an excuse not a thought out reason.
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Because right or wrong, that is how the NBA mindset works. The longer a player is in college, the more teams think something is wrong with him or he would be in the league. You've seen it over and over (i.e. "Tripper" for Duke) when guys do stay into their JR &/or SR year, unless a player significantly improves in some area (i.e. Patterson & his outside shot). I think we have seen Oscar's "significant improvement" this year. Don't expect another one next year, he's not going to become KAT shooting 3's.
 
I think it depends on how the season ends for him. Say he wins NPOY and UK cuts the nets down, his hype would be high and he should take advantage of it. But NIL does change the game for some of those guys projected second round. I’d have to imagine Oscar would have a nice pick of NIL opportunities if he were to return.

Tough call. He will probably declare but leave the option of returning open. A lot will depend on the feedback he gets. Would love to have him back (dude is already a fan favorite, imagine a second year) but I understand he is in a tough situation with wanting to support his family.
 
ArtLaibsGhost said:
He will probably be the college basketball POTY, his family lives in squalor in another country, Why would he risk coming back here next year when his family needs the NBA money he would surely provide. He could get hurt ,he most likely will not be the POTY 2 years in row. What could he do next year that he hasn’t already done. I just can’t see how coming back would best serve his or his families best interest. It would certainly serve UK and our fans interest but I’m not so sure about his.
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If he goes pro, he'll likely be on a non-guaranteed, Rookie minimum contract. That would be just under a million salary, with NO guarantees if he gets hurt, no second year guaranteed. If he stays, he can make a million in NIL. No more risk than if he were in the NBA. And that's assuming he gets a contract and makes a roster - no guarantee of that. He could end up unsigned, or on a 2-way contract. Everything changes with NIL. Staying in college is probably a SAFER guarantee of income at least for next year.
 
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I think he is gone hope I am wrong would like to see him back another year but as good as he is he will be making a lot of money somewhere else next year.
 
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