PG Garland has a final six
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To save you a click: Kentucky, Kansas, Indiana, Vanderbilt, Duke, UCLA.
Thanks.
What's weird is I don't really worry about recruiting anymore. Cal seems to be ok at it.
I remember when Tubber was here, and I would get so excited with beating out Manhattan for Shagari.
Fun times back then. There just isn't any suspense anymore....I miss that.
The fun is still there, the threshold for it is just higher.
Like instead of getting excited about Patrick Patterson, we only get excited if we add a top-5 player in May to give us the best recruiting class of all time and make ourselves the favorite for the next season.
I wouldn't trade it.
Good to see you back around stirring up trouble. Been in our thoughts. Hope you're doing alright.
I don't see them getting two PGs. I think Barrett comes to UK.
Yeah. It's exciting to see if Coach Cal can build the team that's in discussion for best of all time.
That would mean Kentucky will get:
PG Quickley
SG Reddish
SF King
PF Williamson
C Brown
at minimum.........
I can see that happening.
Which Brown, though. Jordan or Moses? Personally, I would want Jordan. He looks more like a Cal player to me.
I see us getting Green, Gilgeous-Alexander, Baker, Killeya-Jones, and Wynyard back. That's a really good 10 man roster.
Has anyone asked coach K which of his leftovers we can have?
He hasn't had a very good summer, I don't think.
He has the potential to be a load inside, though.
Not really a fan of garland's game, would fit better in bryce drew's system than he would at duke..
He can shoot to answer another question
Yeah he is a good shooter, but UK already has a 6 foot quade green who will probably not be one and done. Green would tear garland up on the court imo..
I never really worried about recruiting when Tubby was coach, I knew we would end up with leftovers.
Sometimes the leftovers were pretty good, and sometimes it was 5 day old sushi.
Cal seems to be figuring this recruiting thing out. It's not much fun anymore, just not much suspense.
Sometimes the leftovers were pretty good, and sometimes it was 5 day old sushi.
Cal seems to be figuring this recruiting thing out. It's not much fun anymore, just not much suspense.
I'd bet on UK getting Barrett and Duke ending up with Reddish at this point...
Only Cal knows...
Quickley
King
Reddish/Barrett
1 Brown
Bol
Bagley/Williamson
Is that too much to ask for? Ha ha.
Only Cal knows...
Quickley
King
Reddish/Barrett
1 Brown
Bol
Bagley/Williamson
Is that too much to ask for? Ha ha.
Not far from reality.
Realistically, I can see us getting:
Quickley
Barrett or Reddish
King
Williamson
I think we get back some guys that most think will leave, though, so not as big of a class of 5-stars.
Quickley can play the 1 or 2.
Reddish can play the 2 or 3. Also, can play the 1 for a short time, in a pinch. Also, he is big enough to defend the 4, for short periods of time.
King is a 3.
Williamson can play the 3 or 4.
We should return Green at the 1.
Gilgeous-Alexander can play the 1 or 2.
Baker plays the 2.
Killeya-Jones can play the 4 or 5.
Wynyard will play the 5.
We will probably need to add another 5 man, if Richards leaves.
As mentioned, Quickley, Barrett, King, Williamson, and Reddish are all what Cal would consider "positionless" players, IMO.
All 5 of those players could cover at least 3 positions at any time without much of a struggle. King, Barrett, and Reddish could play the 2, 3, or 4. Quickley the 1, 2, or 3, Williamson the 3, 4, & 5.
They all possess incredible length and athleticism to do so.
If Cal ends up with 4 of those 5 and we don't lose all of Knox, Diallo, PJ, Vanderbilt, and Richards to OAD, UK will SLAUGHTER their opponents all the way to the F4 where anything can happen as we have all experienced.
All 5 of those players could cover at least 3 positions at any time without much of a struggle. King, Barrett, and Reddish could play the 2, 3, or 4. Quickley the 1, 2, or 3, Williamson the 3, 4, & 5.
They all possess incredible length and athleticism to do so.
If Cal ends up with 4 of those 5 and we don't lose all of Knox, Diallo, PJ, Vanderbilt, and Richards to OAD, UK will SLAUGHTER their opponents all the way to the F4 where anything can happen as we have all experienced.
From strictly a recruiting stand point, if Cal lands both Reddish and Barrett (if he reclasses), it would be his greatest achievement to date.
That's the #1 position player from two different classes pre-reclass by Barrett. Correct me if I am wrong, but nobody has ever done that before.
That's the #1 position player from two different classes pre-reclass by Barrett. Correct me if I am wrong, but nobody has ever done that before.
Really good player, but this is a political offer.
Brentwood is a school (allegedly) that’ll hold grudges if you don’t offer every single one of their top guy.
Now, I’ve never recruited out of their or anything but I’ve always heard that.
They’ll limit your access and be tough to deal with. Makes Vandy really strong right now even with the big fish lurking.
A lot of schools are like that, it’s an ego thing.
I figurerd it was more out of loyalties from somebody that was close to vandy, but this makes sense to. Also you know vandy has to be playing the Thornton angle about duke to darius garland also, if that would make a difference i dont know..
Besides, 1 PG and 4 SF might be the best lineup possible to win in college basketball. Unlike the NBA, there's such a derth of quality 6'10"+ big men, that I would gladly take a 6 foot PG to go along with 4 6'6"-6'8" 5 star players any day of the week. A team like that would be extremely hard to stop at the college level and wouldn't ever have to worry about being beaten down low. Big men leave college before they can make a big enough impact that would make a 5 star 6'8" SF unable to handle him in the post.
A PG and 4 SF's? Let's do it! Quade Green to go along with 4 6'6"-6'8" players like Quickley, Barrett, King, and Williamson. Coming off the bench with fellow 6'6"-6'8" players like Gabriel and PJ Washington and that is a title winning team. Not even mentioning players like Bol, Barker, Shai, SKJ, or Tai. In today's college game, I am 100% convinced that a team built on a strong pass first mentality PG combined with 6 5 star level wings, as I just mentioned, is more than capable of winning it all. That's what Cal has been preaching about with all this "positionless" talk.
College basketball doesn't have big men that can take advantage of a stud 6"8" SF like Williamson or PJ. There's also no answer for 6'6"-6"8" wings like Barrett and Reddish. They're unguardable at the NCAA level right now. Combined with players like Quickley that can shoot the lights out and high energy, do it all players like King and Gabriel?
I would take that all day, every day, over a traditional PG, SG, SF, PF, C lineup in today's college game. The traditional team couldn't cover all the wings with their bigs and the guards couldn't score over all the size of the wings. Take Quade/Shai, isolate them against the traditional team's PG, and go 4 on 4 with 4 5 star wings vs a team's traditional SG, SF, PF, and C. They would not stand a chance. Today's college game is built for such a team to succeed due to the ridiculous foul calls on big men, the lack of talented big men due to everyone over 6'10" with a pulse being a OAD, the advantage the rules give to athletic players that can drive getting the foul called every time they enter the lane, and the HUGE advantage taller wings have when shooting the 3 against smaller players like you will see out of Knox, Barrett, Reddish, Quickley, and King.
I am sure some of you are reading this saying, "Man, this dude be whack. Quickley is a PG, not a SF". Quickley is 6'4" tall, has a 6'8" wingspan, and a standing reach of 8'4". He can easily play SF on any college team in the USA. His wingspan more than makes up for his height. Including him as SF is not as much of a reach as most think, despite him being a couple inches shorter and being listed as a 1. With his 6'8" wingspan and 8'4" standing reach, there's probably less than 10 PF/C players that he would struggle against in all of NCAA basketball. Plus, he will not have any problem getting his shot off no matter where he is at on the court. He is LONG. Almost Tayshaun-ish type long. If he grows a couple more inches like Prince did at his age, it would actually be a perfect comparison, IMO. Tayshaun Prince started his SR year of HS as a 6'5" SG, was 6'8" by the time he got to Lexington, and 6'9" by the time he left. Not quite as drastic as the Anthony Davis growth spurt story, but not out of the realm of possibility either.
All in my completely worthless opinion, as always.
A PG and 4 SF's? Let's do it! Quade Green to go along with 4 6'6"-6'8" players like Quickley, Barrett, King, and Williamson. Coming off the bench with fellow 6'6"-6'8" players like Gabriel and PJ Washington and that is a title winning team. Not even mentioning players like Bol, Barker, Shai, SKJ, or Tai. In today's college game, I am 100% convinced that a team built on a strong pass first mentality PG combined with 6 5 star level wings, as I just mentioned, is more than capable of winning it all. That's what Cal has been preaching about with all this "positionless" talk.
College basketball doesn't have big men that can take advantage of a stud 6"8" SF like Williamson or PJ. There's also no answer for 6'6"-6"8" wings like Barrett and Reddish. They're unguardable at the NCAA level right now. Combined with players like Quickley that can shoot the lights out and high energy, do it all players like King and Gabriel?
I would take that all day, every day, over a traditional PG, SG, SF, PF, C lineup in today's college game. The traditional team couldn't cover all the wings with their bigs and the guards couldn't score over all the size of the wings. Take Quade/Shai, isolate them against the traditional team's PG, and go 4 on 4 with 4 5 star wings vs a team's traditional SG, SF, PF, and C. They would not stand a chance. Today's college game is built for such a team to succeed due to the ridiculous foul calls on big men, the lack of talented big men due to everyone over 6'10" with a pulse being a OAD, the advantage the rules give to athletic players that can drive getting the foul called every time they enter the lane, and the HUGE advantage taller wings have when shooting the 3 against smaller players like you will see out of Knox, Barrett, Reddish, Quickley, and King.
I am sure some of you are reading this saying, "Man, this dude be whack. Quickley is a PG, not a SF". Quickley is 6'4" tall, has a 6'8" wingspan, and a standing reach of 8'4". He can easily play SF on any college team in the USA. His wingspan more than makes up for his height. Including him as SF is not as much of a reach as most think, despite him being a couple inches shorter and being listed as a 1. With his 6'8" wingspan and 8'4" standing reach, there's probably less than 10 PF/C players that he would struggle against in all of NCAA basketball. Plus, he will not have any problem getting his shot off no matter where he is at on the court. He is LONG. Almost Tayshaun-ish type long. If he grows a couple more inches like Prince did at his age, it would actually be a perfect comparison, IMO. Tayshaun Prince started his SR year of HS as a 6'5" SG, was 6'8" by the time he got to Lexington, and 6'9" by the time he left. Not quite as drastic as the Anthony Davis growth spurt story, but not out of the realm of possibility either.
All in my completely worthless opinion, as always.
I'm counting on Green, Washington, Vanderbilt and Richards returning. I think Knox, Diallo and Alexander jump, but would be tickled if Alexander stayed with the first four I mentioned.
Wow. That is an optimistic list. At this point, I am expecting Vanderbilt, Washington and Richards to leave until they say they are staying. I agree that Knox and Diallo are gone.
We have had four OAD guys exactly one time and in our history. 2010.
The chances of beating that number is slim. So, expect 3-4 OAD players for this year.
Diallo and Knox are almost locks to be OAD. Most of Cal's OAD players are composite top 10 players. Those are the only two he has this year.
Vanderbilt and Washington are next likely based on rankings. Cal has had only four OAD players outside of the top 10 in eight seasons. Should we expect two in one season?
Richards has the physical qualities. Green is going to get lots of minutes and have the ball in his hands. Gilgeous-Alexander has NBA size for his position, but probably won't get enough minutes. Once again, these are guys outside the top 10 (Richards- 17, Green- 24, Gilgeous-Alexander- 29).
Odds are we will get at least three of these Freshmen back (plus Baker).
We will either see several guys back or expect a historic draft class for UK.
Remember, Cal does not let a Freshman leave unless they are first round picks. 20 players have been OAD, 20 have went in the first round.
So if we lose five or more, that's likely five or more first round OAD players from the same school. That has never been done before.
It could happen, but it's unlikely.
As I said, I expect to lose 3-4 guys. Probably going to get at least three of Vanderbilt, Washington, Richards, Green, and Gilgeous-Alexander back.
I think Richards measureables will make him a OAD regardless of how well he plays. I think Diallo, Knox, and Vanderbilt will all be lottery level talents. I think PJ being a tweener is the most likely to be back. With Cal, who knows?
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