Paterno Winningest Coach...again
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OT: NCAA giving Paterno back 112 wins
Emmert really overstepped his authority on that one and the NCAA must not have wanted to deal with the lawsuits. They shouldn't have stripped the wins to begin with.
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Emmert really overstepped his authority on that one and the NCAA must not have wanted to deal with the lawsuits. They shouldn't have stripped the wins to begin with.
Paterno gets wins back
Re: OT: NCAA giving Paterno back 112 wins
Since he didn't break any laws, I've never understood the disdain for him over this issue. Regardless, the NCAA had no authority to take away wins and they pretty much proved that today.
Since he didn't break any laws, I've never understood the disdain for him over this issue. Regardless, the NCAA had no authority to take away wins and they pretty much proved that today.
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The guy was a POS, the secret is out. His guilt drove him into an early grave I believe...and he will never know that he got his precious wins back as he rots wherever he is today.
Seriously? This boggles my mind some want to give him a complete pass still.
The guy was a POS, the secret is out. His guilt drove him into an early grave I believe...and he will never know that he got his precious wins back as he rots wherever he is today.
Re: OT: NCAA giving Paterno back 112 wins
Well, how about giving back Calipari wins at UMass and Memphis. These should not have been taken away either.
Well, how about giving back Calipari wins at UMass and Memphis. These should not have been taken away either.
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What secret? He didn't harm any children and when he learned about it, he reported it. What else do you want him to do? His precious wins had not one little iota to do with this issue. Neither did he. So, yes, I still don't understand. Suffice it to say, we can just agree to disagree.
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This post was edited on 1/16 4:04 PM by SilentsAreGolden
You're right. Who hasn't looked the other way as someone in their employ was raping little boys.
This post was edited on 1/16 4:04 PM by SilentsAreGolden
Re: OT: NCAA giving Paterno back 112 wins
This. The guy was still allowed to "hang around" after what he did, after Paterno LEARNED about what he was about. People want to say Paterno had no power to get him away from that campus and those kids? Give me a break. The guy owned Penn ST and all he did was "kick it up the ladder" and then forgot about it.
Re: OT: NCAA giving Paterno back 112 wins
Reported it?? I hope you are kidding. HE Is the bastard who told Curley and Spanier to NOT report it. At best, the guy was incompetent. At worse, he was covering up a scandal while children were being harmed.
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Joe pa was in a position to do much more. Being a leader of MEN and in a position of authority, required him to STOP the child abuse. What if it was your kid being abused? I don't care about the wins in this situation but the sick behavior was covered up and every one in authority passed the buck in responsibility. PSU had no competitive advantage or broke any rules to help them win those games. On the other hand, UNC cheat everyone was in on their scheme and it falls directly in the ncaa authority. NCAA had no business acting like a police department with an agenda against psu. Law enforcement and the courts should have handled the criminal activity.
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If you check out the Triponey emails, you discover that this wasn't the only coverup going on at PSU. Check out the story about the football players who almost killed a kid and how Paterno refused to allow the university to discipline HIS players. Then, he forced out Triponey. That entire university did what he wanted. The NCAA should never have backed down.
Re: OT: NCAA giving Paterno back 112 wins
I do agree with this. He could have done more and should have. Emmert should have minded his own business and let the legal system, both criminal and civil, deal with it.
The truth of the matter is the NCAA stuck its nose into something that it had no business sticking its nose into. This was a legal and criminal matter not a matter of NCAA compliance.
The NCAA has backed off because it has been sued by PSU alumni and the NCAA knows they were out of line with the action that they took.
The NCAA has backed off because it has been sued by PSU alumni and the NCAA knows they were out of line with the action that they took.
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Emmert, seems like a dim witted idiot. Sorry, for sounding so harsh on the guy.
Emmert, seems like a dim witted idiot. Sorry, for sounding so harsh on the guy.
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I think everyone knows Emmert is in way over his head. I think the powers that be brought in Oliver Luck to sort unc cheat and other sticky issues out. This is the tipping point for the ncaa. No second chance here to get it right. PSU has been crippled for 3 years with sanctions and scholarship reductions. PSU will eventually recover. Franklin is a good coach and can recruit. Fan base is nuts. The ncaa is going to have to stick it to Carolina. Wins vacated for using any ineligible player. In all of their sports not just basketball. The INTEGRITY of the ncaa is on the line and everyone is watching. If nothing happens, lawsuits are coming. Roy, Butch Davis and every one knew what was going on. Mary W book is coming out. Who knows what that will say. It just amazes me how long this has taken.
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60 million dollar fine = 112 W's and the games winningest coach...
60 million dollar fine = 112 W's and the games winningest coach...
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Paterno cared about the image of his program first and foremost. It isn't like he heard about the allegations, reported it immediately, and told Sandusky to go away until this was worked out. No, he ignored it. When you say the term lack of institutional control, allowing a sexual predator to continue to do his thing in your program while you turn a blind eye bc you're afraid how you're program will look in the media. Well, for me, that should rank right up at the top.
NCAA-wrong to punish the players of today for discretions like these of the past but let's not not make JoePa a hero either.
Paterno cared about the image of his program first and foremost. It isn't like he heard about the allegations, reported it immediately, and told Sandusky to go away until this was worked out. No, he ignored it. When you say the term lack of institutional control, allowing a sexual predator to continue to do his thing in your program while you turn a blind eye bc you're afraid how you're program will look in the media. Well, for me, that should rank right up at the top.
NCAA-wrong to punish the players of today for discretions like these of the past but let's not not make JoePa a hero either.
Pretty much my feeling. I'm one of those who thinks guilt by association is somewhat overdone in the country. Should he had turned on a long time friend? Sure is the easy answer. In my experience many things in life just aren't that easy.
I know Joe Pa didn't commit any of the acts, but he and everyone with any authority at PSU allowed the guy to be a part of the university, have access to the locker room, the facilities, they even allowed him to bring young boys on team flights, after it was reported. While it had nothing or little to do with winning or losing the games, Joe Pa knew and he allowed his friend to continue the abuse, at PSU for years after he retired. WIthout Joe Pa and the officials at PSU he likely would have still committed the crimes, but it wouldn't have been on PSU's campus or team hotels. My feelings are that everyone who knew what Sanduski was and still allowed him to bring kids on campus, take team planes to away games and stay at team hotels with little boys should have been charged with him.
The NCAA probably stuck their nose into a place they shouldn't have because this was a criminal matter. That said, JoPa was a total POS and the guilt drove him to an early grave as it should have. He was a smoke and mirrors image of the Carolina Way. Pretend to be one thing while in reality you are lower than a snake's belly. I love my best friend like a brother but I would turn him into the cops so fast it would make his head spin if I thought he was playing "hide the weiner in the bun" with little boys in the locker room shower. JoPa and all those who defend him make me want to puke.
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This. If they want to give him his wins back, then so be it. I will never understand people who want to act like the guy is still some sort of mortal authority. The guy looked the other way. Anyone who denies that is lying. He reported it, and then swept it under the rug and let the guy continue to prey on kids for years and years and years. He was a great coach. He was a rotten human being. Shame on Penn St. people who want the statue put back up. It would be like erecting a statue of Jeffrey Dahmer (except Dahmer never won a football game).
The other point here is that Paterno was like Coach K. He wanted everyone to know that his program was run THE RIGHT WAY (as opposed to all of the rest of us mere mortal programs who MUST be doing it the WRONG way).
If a guy is dirty (in whatever way), I have less of an issue with him if he owns it or doesn't pretend to be dirty. In Paterno's case, he carefully crafted a pristine image of his program. It was a false image, and he deserves scorn for that.
If a guy is dirty (in whatever way), I have less of an issue with him if he owns it or doesn't pretend to be dirty. In Paterno's case, he carefully crafted a pristine image of his program. It was a false image, and he deserves scorn for that.
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That is a horrible analogy. Dahlmer tortured and murdered several people, Let's not go overboard here. The report that investigated this incident is very incomplete and a lot of the information wouldn't even be admissible. We don't know Paterno's exact role in this situation, but as far as we know at this point it didn't involve murder. Let's back off the throttle just a little.
I thought he was a POS old man who had control issues. When he was asked to step down around 2004, he told them no. When the Sandusky thing broke, he said he'd step down at the end if the year. No, you will step down now! He couldn't even remember his players names yet refused to leave. I also, 100% believe hes a POS for still allowing Sandusky on campus.
It is truly unhealthy and insane to worship a man and that's what people did with Paterno and they start believing they're God. You see that's crap a lot with congregations and preachers too. Worshipping men and the power goes to their heads.
It is truly unhealthy and insane to worship a man and that's what people did with Paterno and they start believing they're God. You see that's crap a lot with congregations and preachers too. Worshipping men and the power goes to their heads.
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