Parrish: Programs best positioned next five years
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Lol they won the championship last year so just going with them. If UK won last year it would have been us. Just being fickle and knee jerk.
How UNC is even in the top 25 on this list is absurd but the fact that they are in the top 10 is mind boggling with the punishments that SHOULD be handed down.
UNC being there is bullshit. Duke has completely stolen their thunder. Duke is the team of Carolina now and if sanctions hit, done.
If UNC will ever take their medicine, they can bounce back quickly.
They still have tradition. They still have deep pockets. They still have ESPN in their corner.
We went from the darkest depths of probation to the Final Four in less than 5 years. Cal took us from the NIT to the number one ranking in a matter of months.
UNC definitely has the ability to crawl out of this mess.
They still have tradition. They still have deep pockets. They still have ESPN in their corner.
We went from the darkest depths of probation to the Final Four in less than 5 years. Cal took us from the NIT to the number one ranking in a matter of months.
UNC definitely has the ability to crawl out of this mess.
Yeah, but they did it with the Cal model of bringing in as many elite players as possible. They did again this year, and are posed to have no worse than the #2 class for next year.
If K can recruit as good as Cal, they are in a better spot as he's a much better coach...can't deny that.
The only difference there, is Duke. UNC can't just reclaim their fame when another program down the road has now matched them across the board.
I don't think they could ever get back to what they were pre-2011.
One thing I would say is they probably would be in a better spot simply because K recruits a mix. Cal still doesn't really do it. A mix of upperclassmen, young talent, specialty shooters, and decent bigs will be tough to beat every time. Cal could easily recruit some of that same way, but he won't.
We shall see.
I'm a Duke fan and even I frowned when I read that.
They are both elite coaches. Not sure how you could argue with a straight face that either is "much better" than the other.
The Coach K worship around here is nauseating. He's a great coach, but I sincerely would not take him in a trade for Cal straight up.
Last year, Cal brought in a decent mix. Booker left a year earlier than expected, in my estimation.
This year, looks even better. A couple of bruisers who should be here 3 years. 2 years out of an athletic shooter in Mulder. 2-3 from a wing defender/slasher in Matthews. And of course the 3 guys who are likely 1 year players.
I think Cal tries to do exactly what you suggest. Sometimes it doesn't work out. But I also think, gun to his head, he will take the most talented guy and see what he can do.
There's been an ebb and flow to Duke/UNC for decades.
Duke isn't at a higher level now than they were from 1991-1994. UNC won a title right in the middle of that run.
I don't know if UNC will rebound successfully, but I will be shocked if they don't. The only way that doesn't happen, in my opinion, is if they take the nuclear option and turn themselves into Vandy or Stanford.
Basketball is too important to them to let it die without being resurrected. I just don't think they are managing the process appropriately. Obviously, they are paying a PR firm millions of dollars who thinks differently.
If you don't think Coach K is a significantly better coach than Cal (or any other NCAA coach out there), I have no idea what to tell you. Most sane people would agree with me.
He's considered one of the top 3 NCAA coaches of ALL TIME, strong case for #1.
Cal might make top 10 all-time, not that's not a guarantee.
I think Cal does try to recruit a mix, but sometimes guys leave early anyway. I'm sure he thought he'd get an extra year or so out of the likes of Bledsoe, Liggins, Lamb, Teague, Booker, etc.
But Cal does go after all highly-ranked guys (or guys he loves and just happen to be highly ranked)...doesn't take on any 3 star/2 star guys who are for sure multi-year players.
With Duke having fake success and the fact that K's success was given to him on a silver platter, I am not surprised by this outcome.
Take away the crutches that K has been given in his career and he may not be top 10. Funny how the rise of ESPN aligns perfectly with the rise of Duke's success.
Take away the crutches that K has been given in his career and he may not be top 10. Funny how the rise of ESPN aligns perfectly with the rise of Duke's success.
Holy sh*t i just read the part where you wouldn't trade him for Cal...are you a UK fan, or a Cal fan? I'd make that trade 1000%.
Dude come check out reality, it's a nice place to live.
But the "all time" argument doesn't really have any impact on "the next five" or even "right now." And I don't know if there is a coach in the game right now who is really "better" than Cal.
The idea that Duke and K have had things handed to them on a silver platter is bizarre, tin-foil hat nonsense. Take away the crutches and K might not be top 10? That is just stupid.
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The mix of stupidity and insecurity is mind-numbing, right? Thankfully that sort of nonsense is, I think, a minority opinion.
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The mix of stupidity and insecurity is mind-numbing, right? Thankfully that sort of nonsense is, I think, a minority opinion.
But K isn't becoming Bobby Knight, he's just as successful now as he was 10 years ago. Coaches either adapt with the times or fade out, he's adapted. Top coaches right now? Cal is up there, but he's not better than K...not even close.
I'm not going to get much support with the notion, because of the nature of this board...but there isn't an AD out there who wouldn't trade for Coach K.
I wouldn't say Cal is better than K. But I am real hesitant to say K is better than Cal, or in light of this thread A) a much better coach than Cal or B) is less likely to succeed over the next five years.
You are talking about the two who are the top of the game right now. You can argue smaller points, but definitive statements about who will be the better over the next five years is a very hard thing to do.
K has had a sensational run, sitting pretty at a top program for over 3 decades. He has had quite the resurgence these past few seasons after slipping somewhat the previous decade.
What Cal has accomplished is no less remarkable. Built 2 different mid-major programs to the Number 1 ranking. Finally handed the keys to a Blue Blood, he's gotten them to 4 Final Fours in 5 years, after re-sculpting them in one off season.
And Cal has a lot of time left to enhance his resume.
Not that you have an ounce of credibility around here, but your hyperbolic insults are amusing.
See above post. And Cal has a lot of time left to coach. So yes, I would rather have Cal.
I don't see UNC fading away either but let's be realistic, they have more recruiting work to do because Marcus Paige/B Johnson/Meeks/James etc can't have a 5th year of eligibility. (though Roy may try to get it somehow) Looking at the picture of UNC as of today September 16, 2015, it doesn't take a crystal ball to see that beyond 2015/2016 that they are not positioned as well beyond that.
Not sure what your definition of significantly better is, but in the last 6 years, one coach has 2 titles, 1 elite eight, 1 sweet sixteen, 2 first round exits, and the other coach has 1 title, 1 championship game, 2 final fours, 1 elite eight. Another way to view it is, one coach failed to win the title 4 times, failed to make the final four 4 times, failed to make the elite eight 3 times, and failed to make the sweet sixteen twice, while the other coach failed to win the title 5 times, failed to make the final four twice, failed to make the elite eight once, and failed to make the sweet sixteen once. any way you shake it, neither coach is significantly better than the other over the last 6 years. For people who tout titles as superior to all, will you say Cal is significantly better should he win the title this year? While one coach has had more success in terms of titles, that same coach has also had many more failures.
You have to understand that the guy you are disagreeing with is a "UK fan" who was insistent over the summer that Cal was going to the NBA.
He was so insistent, that at one time he offered to leave the board if Cal came back.
As you can see, both Cal and WH are still around. This is just his latest diatribe.
It's not shocking to me that he's having a much friendlier discussion about it with a Duke fan than with his supposedly fellow UK fan. Apparently I'm insane to believe that Cal might be as good a coach as K.
Glass half full approach for Calipari. Glass half empty approach for Coach K. I see what you did there.
I wouldn't trade Cal for K either. Cal is made for Kentucky and what he has accomplished here in just 6 years is unheard of.
The only thing that puts K above Cal in the last 6 years is the title he just won. If not for Duke winning the 2015 title then Calipari's numbers beat K by quite a bit. Plus Cal is much younger than K and has plenty of great years ahead of him.
The only thing that puts K above Cal in the last 6 years is the title he just won. If not for Duke winning the 2015 title then Calipari's numbers beat K by quite a bit. Plus Cal is much younger than K and has plenty of great years ahead of him.
Coach Cal has several years to coach, K at the most 3 to 5 years,
add 10 to 15 years to Coach Cal record & then judge him.
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