OT: NBA HOFer Rick Barry gives FS1 Rob Parker a piece of his mind
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Regardless about Lebron Berry is right. If you dont have experience in sports, especially higher level sports your opinions are vastly overrated and because its sports people believe they can read stat sheets and fully get "it"
Good thing they dont apply that logic to brain surgery.
Good thing they dont apply that logic to brain surgery.
Of the 3 biggest shots of the Jordan championships he only made 1 of them (and it was the most obvious foul ever when he did). Steve Kerr and John Paxson made the other 2 and Jordan assisted on those. Clutch doesn't mean ball hog, it means making the correct decision. Had Korver hit that shot the other night this wouldn't be a conversation.
Because he isn't as good as Jordan.
YES HE DID!!!!!!!!!!!
I know. Russell thought good defense would be to push his chest into Jordan's forearm. Amazing that it didn't work out for him.
Thought the exact same thing.
Jordan didn't get ripped for passing to Paxson and Kerr. Why? Because they made the shots.
Korver is the one who choked, haven't heard anyone giving him near enough crap about missing a wide open 3 from the short corner. Every team needs one of those (kerr, paxson, horry, ray allen, etc. etc). He blew it.
Was at this game where he scored 16 of his teams last 32 points to win the game.
I mean championship. Game 5 of the 2005 finals.
Robert Horry is clutch
All these LeBron haters are upset because LeBron makes them realize their hero Jordan is not the clear best ever anymore.
He absolutely should have been called for a foul. There's video proof here:
http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/...ryon-russell-play-warriors-steph-curry-061416
He also fouled Malone on that hack-job that set up the play where he fouled Russell. Jordan was good, but not nearly the god that many try to make him out to be.
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I'm no Jordan worshipper but it still isn't close to me. Some people clearly value a guy getting there more and losing more...I value the 6/6 100% winning percentage Jordan had in NBA Finals. Lebron may get to 10-11 before all said and done but he probably only wins 3. That said, the one last year was more impressive than any of Jordan's...I'll give LEbron that one for sure.
I.love Lebron and there is no doubt hes top 5 of all time. JORDAN is just on his own stratosphere of greatness though. When you watched him live it was watching greatness. Its not even the famous plays he made, just you knew that he would get it done. He was a great defender as well. All around greatness. LEBRON is a all time great and he has proven all he can. He deserves respect.
Jordan was 6/6, and basically played for one team his entire career.
Even if you dont mind the NBA playstation roster building that goes on today, you're not gonna top that in peoples minds. If Lebron jumps ship again he will greatly damage himself. Durant's baller status was greatly deminished. Its just the way it is.
And hell, im someone that didnt mind Lebron going to miami in the first place, but going back was just about roster advantage and leaving again would knock him outa the Jordan conversation all together, regardless of accomplishments.
Even if you dont mind the NBA playstation roster building that goes on today, you're not gonna top that in peoples minds. If Lebron jumps ship again he will greatly damage himself. Durant's baller status was greatly deminished. Its just the way it is.
And hell, im someone that didnt mind Lebron going to miami in the first place, but going back was just about roster advantage and leaving again would knock him outa the Jordan conversation all together, regardless of accomplishments.
I live in a world where Lebron is criticized for making the right play and hitting a wide open great 3 point shooter instead of going 1 on 2. At the same time, nothing is said about Kyrie who down 3 with 30 something seconds to go dribbled out the 2 for 1, turned down a screen, then took a horrific contested 3 after dribbling 1 on 1 for 18 seconds.
BTW, Jordan missed a lot too just like every player ever who took those shots.
BTW, Jordan missed a lot too just like every player ever who took those shots.
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Jordan was great but he's this mythological player that's so much better than what he actually was. Lebron is better but it's almost blasphemous to say it.
Lebrun is a great basketball player, but he isn't as good as Jordan. I also rooted against Jordan in every finals he played in.
Lebron has benefitted from spending his entire career in a weak Eastern Conference, as far as title appearances go.
There's a reason he keeps losing them, hell, they lose last year if the Warriors big man hadn't gotten hurt.
Jordan played no one like golden state. Put Lebron on the 90s Bulls and he goes 8/8 or 9/9.
Jordan played a lot of shitty teams. Let's compare Utah and Golden State. Lebron is better and imo it's not really close.
Michael Jordan played 16 years in the NBA. Out of those 16 years that he played he has six titles. It is not like he won a title every year that he played. He had a very nice Supporting Cast around him the years that he did win a title the years that he did not have the Best Supporting Cast he did not win a title. I do not care how good of a player that you are you cannot win a game by yourself you have to have excellent teammates to get the job done.
Better at what? Jordan was a better basketball player, especially when it counted.
Jordan had another HOFer in Pippen that he needed. As of now, LeBron only played with maybe one in Wade. He got the Cavs to the Finals his 1st time with not much at all.
Probably nobody can name the other starters on that team.
Theres no doubt Lebron is a goat, but he wont be considered what Jordan is because of several factors, and roster jumping is one of them.
LBJ better and its not close? Your delusional and that fact isnt close.
Jordan was great but he's this mythological player that's so much better than what he actually was. Lebron is better but it's almost blasphemous to say it.
Why I don't post of Rupp's Rafters much. And I will gladly go f myself. Just don't forget to do that to,
You have revisionist eyes maybe? MJ has been made into Greek mythology. Until he got Pippen he won nothing. Name the player LBJ has played with equal to Pippen.
So losing before the Finals is better than getting to the Finals and losing...?? Jordan was 1-9 in the playoffs before Pippen came up the team. Jordan also did lose in the playoffs between his 3 straight championships btw
So you expect him to hit 100% of the threes he takes. It is evident you have never played the game. He never chocked he just missed the shot as everyone else who shoots threes miss over 60% of the time. Korver was first in 3 point percentage at 44.1% of any player shooting at least an average of two threes per game. Therefore he is going to miss approximately 60% of the time. He did not choke, He just missed a three point shot as all NBA players do at more than 60% of the time.
If he's going to miss it the one time he's wide open in the corner for a chance to win a game in the finals and keep his teams title hopes alive then he can shove all the made threes he made in February up his ass. It was game time, the shot you practice for, the one you close your eyes and pretend youre shooting for all those years growing up and he choked up a brick.
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Anyone actually watch that video? It was 3 shots that he was able to get himself open for that barely missed and then a near half court shot he had to throw up with .8 seconds left. Hell those missed shots made him look better. And all of them except the last one were closer to going in than Korvers.
The best thing for the nba would be to stop trying to make so many players the next Jordan. Too many of you want to believe that you're getting to see the greatest in your life time. Posting half truths isn't going to convince anyone that a player who is never going to be is the greatest.
Lebron is good, even a great player but in no way is he the greatest ever. He's not even in the top five.
Lebron is good, even a great player but in no way is he the greatest ever. He's not even in the top five.
Jordan never passed the ball because he couldn't get a shot, at that point in his career he had nothing to prove and was at the point of giving others the chance to hit game winner. That's the kind of thing a real GOAT does. Also of note that in none of those games was his team down in the series 0- whatever.
I can agree though that if Korver hit the shot nothing would be said but if you're going to deal with reality, he missed and left Cleveland looking for a hero they didn't have.
That is all Jordan had.
Jordan did not leave to join two superstars like your King did.
MJ pippen Paxton bill carwright and Horace grant
No comparison
In Jordan's early years he was playing in a conference that had the Bird lead Celtics and then the Pistons, not to mention strong Knicks teams, when has James had anything close to that level of conference foes?
You're right that Pippen helped Jordan. There's nothing mythical about Jordan, I saw the man play, rooted like hell for him to lose. There was a pointed in the 90's when he was unstoppable in the playoffs, he was not going to allow the Bulls to lose.
He did push off against the Jazz on the winning shot, but I believe that was the game he also had the flu.
You're right that Pippen helped Jordan. There's nothing mythical about Jordan, I saw the man play, rooted like hell for him to lose. There was a pointed in the 90's when he was unstoppable in the playoffs, he was not going to allow the Bulls to lose.
He did push off against the Jazz on the winning shot, but I believe that was the game he also had the flu.
