OT: Bob Stoops-OU staff changes

[mrschwump]

Saw where Bob Stoops fired Jay Norvell, his co-OC, and is expected to make more staff changes. OU finished 8-5 after opening the season #3. Wholesale staff changes seldom work, I imagine Bob's seat is pretty hot this off season.

I expect more of this stuff from schools who stumbled this year. Wouldn't at all be surprised if Bama didn't make changes on their D staff.

 

[KapitalCat]

This just has the feel of one of those situations in which his tenure at OU has run it's course. He's a terrific coach but he peaked and can't get to the next level. I suspect OU will be looking for a coach in a year or two.

 

[mrschwump]

Kapital, you may be right. He's been there, what 15 years(?), maybe he's lost some zip. Wondering if Les Miles may not be facing the same thing at LSU.

 

[KapitalCat]

Originally posted by mrschwump:

Kapital, you may be right. He's been there, what 15 years(?), maybe he's lost some zip. Wondering if Les Miles may not be facing the same thing at LSU.

Good point about Miles. There are a lot of unhappy LSU fans after that loss to ND. Both keep recruiting well but there does become a saturation point where the program hits a stagnant stage. I'm not sure what either of them could do to rekindle the fanbase other than getting into next years final four. Both are still recruiting well though.

 

[truebluewildcat]

Bobby is starting to feel a breeze from the winds that are sweeping down the plains...

there is word Les Miles wants to talk to Mike about a DC position...if he takes that, I would say that is some indication that Bob may think it wise to get out, and has given his brother the heads up that neither of them may have a job there much longer...

Bob is a really good coach, great recruiter and developer...but he is getting close to over staying his welcome...that championship was a long time ago...and all the juice has been squeezed out of it...

TCU and Baylor are national powers now...Texas will at some point get back on track with Charlie, or with someone else...KSU is a solid program that can upset you...can't breeze through the big 12 anymore on name and tradition alone...

I say another year, maybe two...before Stoops leaves or is escorted out...

He should've put his name in the drawing for the jobs that opened up this season...

maybe he has secretly let some prospective future employers that may be looking for changes in the near future that he will be willing to listen come next year...
This post was edited on 1/5 11:51 AM by truebluewildcat

 

[mrschwump]

^haven't heard the Mike Stoops to LSU possibility. Miles will get a top flight DC, guaranteed. I was really surprised Chavis turned down a pretty good raise to take the A&M job. Vagabonds, nature of the profession I guess.

 

[Trubluepopeye]

Kapital your point is valid with LSU and I have family in La. and they are huge LSU football fans. They are divided about Miles in some think he's great but the amount of players meaning underclassmen that have gone pro has created holes in their ability to field experienced teams. The other half believe He's a loose cannon who #1. can't manage game clock at end of games and has made some historic mistakes. #2. He has had problems landing a really good QB at LSU. They feel like they haven't had a quality QB for far too long.

 

[JHB4UK]

Originally posted by mrschwump:

I was really surprised Chavis turned down a pretty good raise to take the A&M job. Vagabonds, nature of the profession I guess.

Chavis going from a school/coach who consistently puts an INconsistent undependable offense on the field to a school/coach who consistently puts a great one out there. No pressure to hold great offenses/qb's to under 20 points in order to give Miles horrible offense a chance.

 

[TJS4UK]

I agree regarding Miles, but I think that even Saban is arguably on the verge of becoming a bit Mack Brownish, IMHO. No undefeated teams during the last 5 seasons and 9 total losses during that span (oops... I originally miscounted by 1). He also has lost his last 2 bowl games to Oklahoma & OSU. That's still a solid record for arguably anybody besides a coach who is landing ELITE #1 rated recruiting classes left & right (#1 class 7 out of the last 8 years according to Rivals & top 5 all 8). I realize that it is a close call, very debatable, & that it's a bit to early really say for sure, especially with him having a couple of 1 loss national champs during the last 5 seasons. So do you think that my opinion that he might be on the verge is a bit too harsh?

That said, I do think that the outcome of the OSU/Oregon title game will be a big factor in this Saban debate as well.

This post was edited on 1/5 12:48 PM by TJS4UK

 

[Real Deal 2]

Just goes to show you how iffy recruiting is. Oklahoma when he arrived was getting their share of top 5-10 recruiting classes, getting the best QB and Rb's out of Texas. The last few years they have not been as good at recruiting and it shows. Any team whether they are Bama or the Fla. schools can sign two bad classes in a row or 2 bad and 1 fair, it will eventually get you. Oklahoma has not recruited as well since A&M and Ok. St. have gotten better, Baylor, TCU are getting guys now.

Oklahoma is a MT. Rushmore program but it is always a risky proposition due to having to recruit all your players away from home. You miss on a few here and few there, it adds up to some pretty bad seasons. You can go South at Oklahoma a lot quicker than you can at FSU or Fla. or Texas.
IMO

 

[docholiday51]

I have a little different take on Miles,I think this next year will tell everyone where he stands at LSU.They are in a position to win a bunch of games next season, a good shot at the playoffs,if he doesn't deliver something like that then he has a problem there.

The ND loss is a real head scratcher,no way LSU should lose to ND
This post was edited on 1/5 2:32 PM by docholiday51

 

[Real Deal 2]

Landry and Beckham Jr. Mettenberger. The 2 best WR's to come into the NFL this year and a QB who started 1/2 the season at QB in NFL as a Rookie. Yeah I would say Les Miles has a challenged offense. He should be fired for those 3 players alone and not being able to implement a passing game.

They do less with more than any program. I like Les Miles but that offense is terrible, lost a lot of underclass early entries.

I like Les Miles and think he is a pretty good coach and good for the game. That LSU offense is pathetic. Cam Cameron is highly thought of.
IMO

 

[Shavers48]

It's odd stuff the Bros. Stoops both have to hire OCs in same year. Bet that made for interesting conversations between them the past 3 mos.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

I am sure it is biting the OU fans that TCU and Baylor both seem to have passed them in the Big12, I guess you could say Kansas St has too. They accepted the big WR who threw his girlfriend down a flight of stairs after Pinkett booted him. I know Charlie isn't thought much of here, but he is a pretty good recruiter and coach and he is recruiting very well at Texas and working the state of Florida hard. If OU has back to back years of being 4-6 or possibly lower in the Big12 things will really heat up for him.

I don't really understand whats happening to LSU, their OC has a good reputation but their qb play was at least number 13 in the conference ahead of only Vandy. But been lots of coaching turnover in the West since Les arrived, everyone has a new coach, some more than one since Les took over. Never thought he was elite and had lots of things go his way early in his career there, but not so much lately. Like Bob Stoops, another season like the last one and his seat will get pretty hot.

But the reality is, who out there is better? Will they try to hire a P5 head coach away from someone, will they go with a coordinator, try to get someone from a non P5 conference or maybe go the Michigan route and pull an NLF coach. Its easy to make changes when things aren't going well, but when you winning 8-10 games every year, there is a very good chance the next coach will be a big downgrade, look at UF.

As for as Chavis goes, it was reported LSU and gotten him to agree to a 1.4 mil contract with a few details to iron out, apparently that wasn't correct, but no telling what A&M is giving him, I have seen it anywhere. Glad Spurrier didn't get back with him and bring him to the East, wasn't too concerned about Muschamp, always thought he was way overrated as a DC.

 

[Deeeefense]

Feeding coordinators to the sharks is often the last attempt to save your job as a head coach

 

[KapitalCat]

^^. Very true deeeefense.
Posted from Rivals Mobile

 

[mrschwump]

As has been stated, LSU lost a 3000+ yd passer, a 1000+ yd runner and not one but TWO 1000+ yd WRs. Helluva lot of O to lose. Seems I read too that LSU has had more draft choices in the last 5 years than any other school and a lot of those guys were under classmen. Lots to absorb.

As for their QB play...too lazy to go back and look it up but thought their 2 who played this year, one a true fr and one a true soph, were pretty high thought of. Maybe the light hasn't come on yet.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Jennings was from metro Atlanta, Marietta I think, his dad was a starter for UGA awhile back and never got a look. I don't know what offense he ran in HS, but neither did the Dobbs kid at UT and unfortunately he is going to be pretty good. But we don't offer his major so no shot at him anyway.

But LSU does get hit hard by kids leaving early, harder than anyone I would think. Looks like it is starting to catch up with them. Their qb was a sr, but Hill was a Jr and I believe both the WR were too. But what you going to do, its everyone of these kids who sign scholarships dream, if they are going in the first 2 -3 rounds they almost have to go, if they are later than that they probably should stay. But agents are all over them telling them to quit playing for "free".

 

[Altro Cat]

Originally posted by JHB4UK:

Originally posted by mrschwump:

I was really surprised Chavis turned down a pretty good raise to take the A&M job. Vagabonds, nature of the profession I guess.

Chavis going from a school/coach who consistently puts an INconsistent undependable offense on the field to a school/coach who consistently puts a great one out there. No pressure to hold great offenses/qb's to under 20 points in order to give Miles horrible offense a chance.

This is exactly what crossed my mind when I first saw the Chavis news. If he can get the D rolling at A&M even close to what he had at LSU they should be really good.

 

[fuzz77]

Originally posted by mrschwump:

^haven't heard the Mike Stoops to LSU possibility. Miles will get a top flight DC, guaranteed. I was really surprised Chavis turned down a pretty good raise to take the A&M job. Vagabonds, nature of the profession I guess.

Chavis wanted his money guaranteed and the LSU AD wouldn't do it. The contract that was offered would have only required LSU to pay him 6 months of salary if Miles (or Chavis) were to be fired...and things currently aren't very good between Miles and the LSU AD. A&M guaranteed Chavis all of his money.

 

[mrschwump]

^interesting fuzz. Some of these bean counter ADs forget where the beans come from.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Originally posted by Real Deal 2:

Landry and Beckham Jr. Mettenberger. The 2 best WR's to come into the NFL this year and a QB who started 1/2 the season at QB in NFL as a Rookie. Yeah I would say Les Miles has a challenged offense. He should be fired for those 3 players alone and not being able to implement a passing game.

They do less with more than any program. I like Les Miles but that offense is terrible, lost a lot of underclass early entries.

I like Les Miles and think he is a pretty good coach and good for the game. That LSU offense is pathetic. Cam Cameron is highly thought of.
IMO

Apparently Metternberger did well enough to convince the Titans to not take a QB at #2. That is a big risk to me as a Titans' fan as Winston and Mariota both appear vastly superior to Mettenberger, who already showed he was injury prone a bit this year, ala our last failed QB in Jake Locker, so we shall see. I hope they at least evaluate both QBs and give them a chance.

On LSU, I swear they have a stud in Fortnette for the next 2 years. Get a damn QB to help take pressure off him and he will run for 1700-2000 yards each of the next two seasons.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Originally posted by mrschwump:

^interesting fuzz. Some of these bean counter ADs forget where the beans come from.

That's what UGA has, don't really know whats happening to all the funds, but he stated all coaching salaries were frozen right before New Years. Then a meeting was held between him, college president and reportly some of the larger boosters and raises were announced for football coaches next day. He is also holding up building an indoor practice facility, UGA and UF are the only 2 in the conference without one, I think, and UF is in the process of building one. One booster volunteered to build and and pay for the total cost providing it was next to the practice fields, and our AD turned him down.

 

[Real Deal 2]

Originally posted by UKWildcats#8:

Originally posted by Real Deal 2:

Landry and Beckham Jr. Mettenberger. The 2 best WR's to come into the NFL this year and a QB who started 1/2 the season at QB in NFL as a Rookie. Yeah I would say Les Miles has a challenged offense. He should be fired for those 3 players alone and not being able to implement a passing game.

They do less with more than any program. I like Les Miles but that offense is terrible, lost a lot of underclass early entries.

I like Les Miles and think he is a pretty good coach and good for the game. That LSU offense is pathetic. Cam Cameron is highly thought of.
IMO

Apparently Metternberger did well enough to convince the Titans to not take a QB at #2. That is a big risk to me as a Titans' fan as Winston and Mariota both appear vastly superior to Mettenberger, who already showed he was injury prone a bit this year, ala our last failed QB in Jake Locker, so we shall see. I hope they at least evaluate both QBs and give them a chance.

On LSU, I swear they have a stud in Fortnette for the next 2 years. Get a damn QB to help take pressure off him and he will run for 1700-2000 yards each of the next two seasons.

Big mistake if the Titans do this. I live in Nashville area and the titans have not had a good draft in awhile or since Floyd Reese was there and they have not had a QB since Steve McNair. Big mistake to go with Mettenberger, let's see since McNair, Vince Young and Jake Locker. They are scared to death to take a QB and screw it up. They need a lot of help but you have to keep drafting for a franchise QB until you find one. I would take Winston because he is light years ahead of any on the roster. Shy away from off field but until you get a great QB than you are done. They have been run the last 5 years terribly. Be glad when Bud Adams kids sell it.
IMO

 

[Mike-D]

I wish we had that type of problem. You go 8-5 here, we build statues. Do it at OU enough, you lose your job.

 

[UKfan215]

The Bob Stoops situation at Oklahoma puzzles me just a bit. I think the guy is a terrific coach. You don't win a national championship in your second season at a school if you don't know what you are doing. He also recruits extremely well. Hell, OU's classes always rank right up there with the best of them. I'm just not quite sure what is wrong there. They should be winning at a higher level than they are.

Bob Stoops and Oklahoma kind of remind me a little of Mark Richt at Georgia. I think both are great coaches and both recruit very well. Yet it always seems that both of them end up losing a game or two each season that they shouldn't lose. I just can't quite put a finger on the problem. Obviously they both win, but it seems they don't quite win at the level their fans probably expect. Nor do they quite win at the level they should based on the resources available to them. Maybe it is nothing more than bad luck. Who knows? Both coaches seem to have did better during the first half of their tenure and each of those respective programs. So maybe burnout is a factor too.

Ah well, should Bob Stoops be a short timer at Oklahoma and if he has any trouble finding another head coaching gig (I don't think he will), then I'm sure his little brother could make room for him here as DC. I certainly wouldn't object to having him join the party.

 

[truebluewildcat]

I think what Bob Stoops is facing, is what most traditional power programs are facing...parity...

Are the days of the dynasty over?

10-15 years ago Oklahoma competed with Texas...now they compete with A&M, TCU, Baylor...Stanford and the Arizona programs are able to recruit some talent from just about anywhere in the country now as well...they're dipping into the Texas pipe lines...which leaves less for Bobby...

Same goes for just about every other traditional power...

Programs that historically were never able to recruit at the level of the elites are able to do so now thanks to all the conference changes and realignments, TV deals, technology, countless teams playing on countless networks...

South Carolina's little run under Spurrier has really hurt Richt at UGA...the Gamecocks can recruit in any living room in the south now...they take a lot of kids from Georgia...it was bad enough sharing with florida, bama, fsu...

the rise of Miss St, Ole Miss, and hopefully UK isn't going to help any of the elite programs...UT is coming back hard and fast...that's less play makers for Saban, Miles, and now McElwain at Florida...

The day of the dynasty may be over...Saban's impressive little run may be the last we see of that kind...they'll continue to be great...but other programs are going to have their turn...

 

[BlueRaider22]

Titan fan here. We don't know what to expect from the new ownership. Tommy Smith hasn't even been the owner for a yr yet. There is plenty of reason for optimism and pessimism. So we will have to see how they are going forward. Webster is struggling though. He may have to be replaced.

Whiz is a good coach. He's proven that he has what it takes to take a team to the SB. However, he's in a tough position. There isn't a clear cut answer at QB on the team currently. Free agency is going to have a weak QB class. And none of the high profile draft picks fit Whiz's offense. His offense functions the best under big framed QB's with cannons for arms. He won a SB with Big Ben. He resurrected Rivers' career. And he went through big QB's in Arizona. Mariota is a mobile QB with good arm strength and fair build. Winston has the size and ability, but is a major red flag. The only QB's that fit the system are being projected to go in round 4-6. At that point it may be worth rolling with Mett.

The Titans have only a handful of choices:
1. Roll with Mett and hope for the best
2. Have a battle between Mett and FA
3. Have a battle between Mett and a draft pick.

Of course, they are going to turnover much of the roster during free agency. So whatever choice they go with at QB, they have to adress the rest of the holes.

The front office has said that they love Mariota but were very turned off by Winston. But we all know how much we can trust draft rumors, don't we? I hope they go Mariota, Williams, Gregory, or move down in the first.

 

[gobigblue812]

I couldn't remember when the scholarships were reduced to 85 so I looked it up and found this interesting article. Maybe parity is finally catching up with scholarship reductions and more kids playing football than in the past. The old traditional powers can no longer stockpile extra kids like they use to. Those kids now go to other schools for a scholly. The article is from 1991.



Here is an excerpt:




"The quality of the game will be affected; how much, only time will tell," said Gary Gibbs, the football coach at the University of Oklahoma. "It disturbs me."


Other coaches said the reductions would strengthen college football and encourage parity. "It will make our competition better," said George Perles, the football coach and athletic director at Michigan State University. "The competition will be more even because the top schools would have had those athletes who are affected by the reduction."



How odd that in 2015 this seems to be true of both of these schools?

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/01/10/sports/ncaa-cuts-practice-scholarships-and-seasons.html

 

[WildCard]

Originally posted by Deeeefense:
Feeding coordinators to the sharks is often the last attempt to save your job as a head coach

Yup. But OU's problems seem to be more defensive than offensive. Over the past 4 years the scoring offense has been ranked #15, #34, #21 and #10 (average #20). Scoring defense has been ranked #49, #18, #48 and #29 (average #36). But it is a league known for offense (much) more than defense.

Peace

 

[kyhusker2]

Originally posted by UKfan215:
The Bob Stoops situation at Oklahoma puzzles me just a bit. I think the guy is a terrific coach. You don't win a national championship in your second season at a school if you don't know what you are doing. He also recruits extremely well. Hell, OU's classes always rank right up there with the best of them. I'm just not quite sure what is wrong there. They should be winning at a higher level than they are.

Bob Stoops and Oklahoma kind of remind me a little of Mark Richt at Georgia. I think both are great coaches and both recruit very well. Yet it always seems that both of them end up losing a game or two each season that they shouldn't lose. I just can't quite put a finger on the problem. Obviously they both win, but it seems they don't quite win at the level their fans probably expect. Nor do they quite win at the level they should based on the resources available to them. Maybe it is nothing more than bad luck. Who knows? Both coaches seem to have did better during the first half of their tenure and each of those respective programs. So maybe burnout is a factor too.

Ah well, should Bob Stoops be a short timer at Oklahoma and if he has any trouble finding another head coaching gig (I don't think he will), then I'm sure his little brother could make room for him here as DC. I certainly wouldn't object to having him join the party.

Expectations for OU for this season were unreasonably high. They weren't all that good last year, but when they beat Alabama in the bowl game (fairly soundly, as I recall), people expected them to contend for the NC this year. I think OU was ranked #3 at one point. One commentator correctly noted that they were overrated due to the bowl win over an Alabama team that is consistently overrated.

 

[mrschwump]

As I stated on the start of this thread, Bob Stoops fired his co-OC Jay Norvell, now I heard he may have canned the other co-OC, ex_OU QB Josh Huepel. Interesting times in Norman.

 

[ManRoar]

Originally posted by TJS4UK:
I agree regarding Miles, but I think that even Saban is arguably on the verge of becoming a bit Mack Brownish, IMHO. No undefeated teams during the last 5 seasons and 9 total losses during that span (oops... I originally miscounted by 1). He also has lost his last 2 bowl games to Oklahoma & OSU. That's still a solid record for arguably anybody besides a coach who is landing ELITE #1 rated recruiting classes left & right (#1 class 7 out of the last 8 years according to Rivals & top 5 all 8). I realize that it is a close call, very debatable, & that it's a bit to early really say for sure, especially with him having a couple of 1 loss national champs during the last 5 seasons. So do you think that my opinion that he might be on the verge is a bit too harsh?

That said, I do think that the outcome of the OSU/Oregon title game will be a big factor in this Saban debate as well.

This post was edited on 1/5 12:48 PM by TJS4UK

Dude has 3 titles in 6 years lol. Got to the Final 4 this year...most years they are at least considered to be in the title race. Who else would they get? Besides Saban?

I honestly cant believe you believe what you typed...right?

 

[kyhusker2]

Originally posted by mrschwump:

As I stated on the start of this thread, Bob Stoops fired his co-OC Jay Norvell, now I heard he may have canned the other co-OC, ex_OU QB Josh Huepel. Interesting times in Norman.

He did.

 

[Mojocat]

Originally posted by Real Deal 2:

I like Les Miles and think he is a pretty good coach and good for the game. That LSU offense is pathetic. Cam Cameron is highly thought of.

One of the great mysteries of life: how can an LSU program that recruits so well not even have a mediocre QB so often?

Originally posted by kyhusker2:

One commentator correctly noted that they were overrated due to the bowl win over an Alabama team that is consistently overrated.

Pretty hard to be "consistently" overrated when you have national titles in 3 of the last 6 years...

 

[ManRoar]

Originally posted by Mojocat:

Originally posted by Real Deal 2:

I like Les Miles and think he is a pretty good coach and good for the game. That LSU offense is pathetic. Cam Cameron is highly thought of.

One of the great mysteries of life: how can an LSU program that recruits so well not even have a mediocre QB so often?

Originally posted by kyhusker2:

One commentator correctly noted that they were overrated due to the bowl win over an Alabama team that is consistently overrated.

Pretty hard to be "consistently" overrated when you have national titles in 3 of the last 6 years...

This.