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OT : are the Colts? ???

Yep, pretty bad. Defense especially, but little imagination on offense or ability to adjust.

Right now, looks like Luck will suffer the same fate as Manning: mediocre coaching, poor defense, wins and losses entirely on his shoulders....
 
Originally posted by Mojocat:
Yep, pretty bad. Defense especially, but little imagination on offense or ability to adjust.

Right now, looks like Luck will suffer the same fate as Manning: mediocre coaching, poor defense, wins and losses entirely on his shoulders....
True. New coach may be in the near future. Total beatdown.
 
Having been a Bengals for fan over 40 years, I would trade Lewis and Dalton for Pagano and Luck in a New York second.

Lewis couldn't win a playoff game if his life depended on it. Dalton is not even worth discussing really.
 
Hard to answer that because the Colts always get destroyed by the Pats. The games between the two are never close since Luck took over as QB.
 
The problem with Manning and looks to be happening to Luck is the offense will be entirely put on his passing. The key to beating some teams is run at them along with pass. But Colts appear to just let Luck throw it 90"% of game and it fails miserablt at times.
 
Probably, but the Broncos wouldn't of been much better or even the Steelers when you look at the 3 top seeds of the AFC. Very weak conference overall this year. Not sure how good the Pats are but I guess we'll find out in 2 weeks.
 
Originally posted by Cawood86:

Having been a Bengals for fan over 40 years, I would trade Lewis and Dalton for Pagano and Luck in a New York second.

Lewis couldn't win a playoff game if his life depended on it. Dalton is not even worth discussing really.
I thought the Bengals were masquerading as the Colts yesterday, it was that bad.
 
Originally posted by kats23:
Probably, but the Broncos wouldn't of been much better or even the Steelers when you look at the 3 top seeds of the AFC. Very weak conference overall this year. Not sure how good the Pats are but I guess we'll find out in 2 weeks.
Weak conference? 10 of the 16 teams won at least 9 games. The NFC only had 6 teams with a winning record. All AFC playoff teams won at least 10 games. Denver played the last month of the season with Manning suffering from a torn quad. Maybe they would have been better had that not happened. Pittsburgh lost one of its best offensive players for their playoff game. Maybe they beat Baltimore if that doesn't happen. Cincinnati lost about half of its starters for their game. Maybe, maybe they beat the Colts if that didn't happen. In my opinion, I thought the AFC was a very strong conference. Just look at Pittsburgh and the AFC North. They went 11-5 and was never in first place until week 17 if I'm not mistaken.
 
Dome teams always have trouble outside and when you throw in rain and a lot of wind it spells big trouble. Notice the problems the Colts had catching the ball and fielding punts it also effected some of Luck's throws. Having said that, it does appear the Colts were greatly over-valued in this game.
 
Originally posted by Deeeefense:
Dome teams always have trouble outside and when you throw in rain and a lot of wind it spells big trouble. Notice the problems the Colts had catching the ball and fielding punts it also effected some of Luck's throws. Having said that, it does appear the Colts were greatly over-valued in this game.
To me, it shows how even more over-valued the Broncos were IMO.
 
The Broncos were a completely different team before and after - before and after Manning tore his quad and had a deep bruise in the other quad. He looked like an octagenarian. Which leads to a couple of obvious questions. One, is the backup not any better a choice than that? If not, when exactly would a backup play? Manning couldn't throw an 8 yard scree. Secondly, shouldn't the entire team around Manning be good enough to win without relying on him completely? As Peter King said today, they should be beyond double digit losses at home even if Manning is hurt.....
 
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Originally posted by Cawood86:

Having been a Bengals for fan over 40 years, I would trade Lewis and Dalton for Pagano and Luck in a New York second.

Lewis couldn't win a playoff game if his life depended on it. Dalton is not even worth discussing really.
Dalton and luck have similar stats over the same amount of time(Luck cam in a year later) even their QBRs is similar, not to mention the Colts have the better overall recieving corps! luck has the better future but Dalton has had a similar statline as Luck so far!
 
Originally posted by subsonic66:
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Originally posted by Cawood86:

Having been a Bengals for fan over 40 years, I would trade Lewis and Dalton for Pagano and Luck in a New York second.

Lewis couldn't win a playoff game if his life depended on it. Dalton is not even worth discussing really.
Dalton and luck have similar stats over the same amount of time(Luck cam in a year later) even their QBRs is similar, not to mention the Colts have the better overall recieving corps! luck has the better future but Dalton has had a similar statline as Luck so far!
I pray you arent a fellow Bengals fan like myself because you are completely wearing blinders.

Compare teams:

Colts WRs v Bengals WRs. Bengals win here. Although it's debatable, AJ Green when healthy is a top 5 NFL WR and the Bengals have some talent at the TE position. Colts have TY Hilton, who is crafty, but that's really it.


Run game: Bengals have 2 of the best young ball carriers in the game. Colts have nothing


Defense: Bengals, when healthy, are a top end defense. Colts D is completely mediocre.



Bengals made the playoffs this season by running the ball, playing solid defense, and keeping the ball out of Daltons hands. Colts made the playoffs on the shoulders of Luck. I will give you the fact that the Colts are in a much easier division but that team is a double digit loss team without Luck.





Finally: watch this

https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/1E0F0C457F1163617620239724544_2ae2e1471ae.5.1.3510966516452714396.mp4?versionId=Zx5MEZhDVIFIIHQiGT7Z.TDxsHaCv_ax



That play isn't even something Dalton is physically capable of doing.


This isn't even a debate. Luck is on his way to being a top tier QB. The best Dalton can ever wish to be is Jake Delhomme caliber
 
Stats? Really? If you truly think they are similar, just watch a ball coming out of Luck's hands verses one Dalton throws. Luck's passes look like they are coming from a Juggs machine on the highest setting, Dalton's look like they are going against hurricane force winds.
 
Originally posted by JBHolmesfan:

Originally posted by kats23:
Probably, but the Broncos wouldn't of been much better or even the Steelers when you look at the 3 top seeds of the AFC. Very weak conference overall this year. Not sure how good the Pats are but I guess we'll find out in 2 weeks.
Weak conference? 10 of the 16 teams won at least 9 games. The NFC only had 6 teams with a winning record. All AFC playoff teams won at least 10 games. Denver played the last month of the season with Manning suffering from a torn quad. Maybe they would have been better had that not happened. Pittsburgh lost one of its best offensive players for their playoff game. Maybe they beat Baltimore if that doesn't happen. Cincinnati lost about half of its starters for their game. Maybe, maybe they beat the Colts if that didn't happen. In my opinion, I thought the AFC was a very strong conference. Just look at Pittsburgh and the AFC North. They went 11-5 and was never in first place until week 17 if I'm not mistaken.
yeah, I had not factored the injuries in so that's a very good point. Looking head to head the AFC came out better at 32-31-1 against the NFC vs the 30-33-1 of the NFC vs the AFC. The crazy thing is the NFC North was 12-3-1 against the NFC. And the NFC East was 12-4 against the AFC. I guess I was just thinking of the crazy upsets throughout the year the NFC got against the AFC but when you break it down the AFC was the better conference.

Colts got some breaks to get where they were and I think they were finally exposed against the Pats. I just look at the teams other than the Patriots and think who could of beat them?
 
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