Former No. 1 overall WNBA draft pick Angel McCoughtry, former Louisville basketball player and coach David Padgett, and former men’s basketball player Larry O’Bannon Jr.represent the Cardinals’ men’s and women’s basketball programs
on3 article on UL's NIL collective
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Who are A.McGee and K. Powell on the list? Former players? Lou business?
I'm hopeful that collectives get banned within the next few years. The spirit of NIL was to allow players to capitalize on their renown by signing deals with companies or creating their own merchandise.
It certainly wasn't to allow folks associated with the school to create an organization to pool money and then use that as an inducement to attend their institution. Absolutely bull shit and I'm a firm supporter of the rights of people to make money. If the organization exists solely to pay athletes then it needs to be outlawed. Discussing NIL beyond detailing other deals past athletes have had, prior to enrolling, needs to be outlawed.
It certainly wasn't to allow folks associated with the school to create an organization to pool money and then use that as an inducement to attend their institution. Absolutely bull shit and I'm a firm supporter of the rights of people to make money. If the organization exists solely to pay athletes then it needs to be outlawed. Discussing NIL beyond detailing other deals past athletes have had, prior to enrolling, needs to be outlawed.
There was no 'spirit' to NIL... other than allowing kids to earn what the market would bear for the use of those qualities intrinsic to them.
BBN is only complaining about it, because CCC doesn't want to take part in it. Just like most everyone else was complaining about us when we were taking the greatest advantage of one and one. If CCC had the energy to do recruit in tandem with collectives, we would be all for it.
Legislation just limits the kids.
That is bullshit, let the kids earn what they are worth sure. But setting up orgs to facilitate and guarantee payment is not right. I don't base my opinions on what UK or Cal do, the concept is antithetical to anything resembling college sports amateurism. Collectives are basically fronts for universities to pay inducements and skirt the NCAA rules which still strictly prohibit that.
NIL needs to be regulated somehow, but I don’t trust anyone to regulate it properly.
Collectives seem like a poor choice. Not sure how smaller schools will continue to compete. Who knows.. RIP enjoyable college basketball
Collectives seem like a poor choice. Not sure how smaller schools will continue to compete. Who knows.. RIP enjoyable college basketball
"Right" for whom?
You're trying to hold onto something (amateurism), that is no more, and never will be again.
It was enjoyable, sure (especially from our seats), but that doesn't it mean it was right for the players. That's corrected now.
Odd thing... it's not the little schools complaining... it the faces of UK and Alabama... because the system is changing on old coaches who had mastered the previous version... and now they gotta work again.
The little schools knew where they stood a long time ago, and they weren't really competing before. If anything, this helps a little school, with deep pockets nearby, compete.
Whe it is the rich schools like Texas, Ohio State, Michigan, UCLA, etc dominating every championship... then you'll have a point... but as long as teams like Dallas Baptist, Oral Roberts, TCU, Wake Forest, Creighton, SDSU, FAU, Gonzaga, Houston, etc are making waves, you won't.
Then fully pull the bandaid off and let the universities pay a direct salary.
The sport is still amateur, as in you cannot be paid for play. For those with big enough renown, NIL was supposed to let them profit on their, hang with me a second, name, image, and likeness. That is different from collectives set up by universities to collect money to put one layer of abstraction between payments to the players. It’s a sham.
It’s “right” in the sense that, as an organization the NCAA is within their rights to not allow payment for play or recruiting inducements. It should not be in their right, and is no longer, to prevent people from making money on their own renown. But collectives associated with the university fly directly in the face of that.
Lawyers, car dealers, tech companies, legit business want to pay you to advertise? Cool. You want to sell Brow Down or Fear the Brow t shirts? Cool. Put on camps? Sign autographs? Have a shoe named after you? All that is fantastic and “right.”
Making university affiliated groups to collect money with the direct intent to pay athletes and use as a recruiting tool. It’s bull shit. End.
They get around it by having a specified number of events they must attend and/or merchandise to sign. That makes it all legit.
I understand they are using loopholes, lol, I'm not convinced in your ability to comprehend what I'm saying.
That isn't a loophole. There is nothing ambiguous about it, they are making money off their name, image, and likeness.
I just added what you conveniently left out. As you wrote... "Making university affiliated groups to collect money with the direct intent to pay athletes and use as a recruiting tool. It’s bull shit."
Embrace it, collectives aren't going away, they are good for the kids and good for college basketball in general. State legislatures are starting to introduce and pass bills to protect their schools from the NCAA... w/o federal legislation (which isn't happening) collectives are the future. CCC has already seen the light and changed his tune, thankfully.
no, I am complaining because it's a bunch of BS.. 100 of thousands in free education, food, stipends, housing and the other perks was plenty.
Lol... Yes, for most players and programs that is enough, but the kids we need are more valuable in the market.
CCC made $5.4 million in 2012... Yet, 90% of his success was due to AD. Pay the kids their value... whatever it is
Nah... there will always be a place for the current college level player somewhere... and alumni/student marketplace will keep it going.
The greatest shift you will see is the decline of the college coach's salary. Coach's will be less relevant at the upper level when the collectives are doing the heavy lifting ( = recruiting).
