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OKC signs Dakari Johnson to guaranteed 2 year deal

I've been hearing the name Shams Charania for a while now - and I read he just graduated college this summer. I never, ever got the "Woj" thing - who cares if he tells me 3 minutes before the pick that the Kings are taking Fox, or whatever. I was going to find out in 3 minutes anyway. The whole "being first" in news media is crazy and usually irrelevant. Having said that, for a kid to have built this kind of career before getting out of school is pretty impressive.
 
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Finally. That dude has earned it. Made huge leaps the last two years.

And he's still just like 21 years old. That's why you leave early. Gives you time to grow and still be a young piece with potential and upside.
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I've been hearing the name Shams Charania for a while now - and I read he just graduated college this summer. I never, ever got the "Woj" thing - who cares if he tells me 3 minutes before the pick that the Kings are taking Fox, or whatever. I was going to find out in 3 minutes anyway. The whole "being first" in news media is crazy and usually irrelevant. Having said that, for a kid to have built this kind of career before getting out of school is pretty impressive.
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Just so glad for Tamari. One of the best kids to come through here. Hard work pays off.
 
Finally. That dude has earned it. Made huge leaps the last two years.

And he's still just like 21 years old. That's why you leave early. Gives you time to grow and still be a young piece with potential and upside.

If he had stayed he would still be 21 years old and possibly have blossomed into a lottery pick. Your 2nd paragraph makes absolutely no sense. Sorry but this mentality bugs the crap out of me not by you but in general.
 
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Kentucky guys with guaranteed money for next year:

Liggins - Clippers
Meeks, Wall - Wizards
Goodwin - Nets
Patterson, Kanter, Johnson - Thunder
Rondo, Cousins, Davis - Pelicans
Skal, Fox, WCS - Kings
MKG, Monk - Hornets
Towns - T'Wolves
Booker, Ulis, Knight, Bledsoe - Suns
Lyles, Murray - Nuggets
Bam - Heat
Noel - Mavs
Andrew Harrison - Grizzlies
Randle - Lakers
Willis - Pistons
Totals: 27

Pending:

Aaron Harrison
James Young
Alex Poythress
Darius Miller
Terrence Jones
Ike Humphries
Isaiah Briscoe

Kentucky already owns the record for most guys to play in the NBA in a single season (26 last year). 27 breaks the old record, although I think we see the possibility of 30 UK guys getting NBA floor time this season.
 
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If he had stayed he would still be 21 years old and possibly have blossomed into a lottery pick. Your 2nd paragraph makes absolutely no sense. Sorry but this mentality bugs the crap out of me not by you but in general.

Or he stays, gets picked a handful of spots lower in the second round because he's a senior viewed with limited upside due to his physical gifts and when he proves he can play for two seasons in the D-League, he's almost 24, just now getting his shot to be the 15th man and earned two less years of money.
 
Kentucky guys with guaranteed money for next year:

Liggins - Clippers
Meeks, Wall - Wizards
Goodwin - Nets
Patterson, Kanter, Johnson - Thunder
Rondo, Cousins, Davis - Pelicans
Skal, Fox, WCS - Kings
MKG, Monk - Hornets
Towns - T'Wolves
Booker, Ulis, Knight, Bledsoe - Suns
Lyles, Murray - Nuggets
Bam - Heat
Noel - Mavs
Andrew Harrison - Grizzlies
Randle - Lakers
Willis - Pistons
Totals: 27

Pending:

Aaron Harrison
James Young
Alex Poythress
Darius Miller
Terrence Jones
Ike Humphries
Isaiah Briscoe

Kentucky already owns the record for most guys to play in the NBA in a single season (26 last year). 27 breaks the old record, although I think we see the possibility of 30 UK guys getting NBA floor time this season.
UK will be pushing upwards to 40 players in the league in two or three years. That's absurd. Ecstatic for Dakari. He worked hard and earned it. Good for him.
 
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That two year deal is worth over $2 Million dollars for Dakari. Hope he is disciplined and saves and invests. That's lifetime money, and just icing on the cake if gets a better contract after those two years.
Good for him. He still should have played two more years here and would have improved into a first round pick.

Now, as for 2 million dollars being lifetime money, well, the government is going to take 38% before he sees any of it. His agent is probably going to get 8% of that. So he better be real careful with the rest of it.
 
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Finally. That dude has earned it. Made huge leaps the last two years.

And he's still just like 21 years old. That's why you leave early. Gives you time to grow and still be a young piece with potential and upside.

You leave early so you can spend two years in the D-league and then sign a minimum contract?

Sorry but disagree. Every situation is different. Dakari IMO clearly should have stayed at UK for at least one more year.

If he had been able to get drafted in the 1st round (very likely by staying) by this point in his career he'd have made a lot more money and have had more opportunity than the route he chose by declaring for the NBA prematurely.
 
If he had stayed he would still be 21 years old and possibly have blossomed into a lottery pick. Your 2nd paragraph makes absolutely no sense. Sorry but this mentality bugs the crap out of me not by you but in general.
Then reality bugs you. Because please tell me who the guys are who are staying and blossoming into lottery picks.

This past draft, there were exactly 2 college juniors and 2 college seniors taken in the first round, none in lottery range. And in the past 5 drafts, there have been a grand total of 11 juniors and seniors go in the lottery. That's out of 70 picks.

What's far more likely to happen for guys who stay is that they go at the very end of the first round or in the top half of the second (a slot Dakari was pretty close to when he left). If a player is in college for 3-4 years, it's almost certain that he has physical and skill deficiencies that worry NBA teams. Just look at All-American teams from this decade to see the obvious disconnect between a "great college career" and NBA draft position. Tons of 1st and 2nd team upperclassmen All-Americans who go 2nd round, or aren't drafted at all.
 
Then reality bugs you. Because please tell me who the guys are who are staying and blossoming into lottery picks.

This past draft, there were exactly 2 college juniors and 2 college seniors taken in the first round, none in lottery range. And in the past 5 drafts, there have been a grand total of 11 juniors and seniors go in the lottery. That's out of 70 picks.

What's far more likely to happen for guys who stay is that they go at the very end of the first round or in the top half of the second (a slot Dakari was pretty close to when he left). If a player is in college for 3-4 years, it's almost certain that he has physical and skill deficiencies that worry NBA teams. Just look at All-American teams from this decade to see the obvious disconnect between a "great college career" and NBA draft position. Tons of 1st and 2nd team upperclassmen All-Americans who go 2nd round, or aren't drafted at all.
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Yeah. I mean, I was so totally unaware of that example, and it obviously completely offsets all the other FACTS I stated.

But hey, brilliant argument. Kind of like saying "yeah, you should keep spending 50 dollars a week on lottery tickets, because look, that guy won".

I'd have more patience with the "it's so sad that this player (who now has a guaranteed contract worth millions) made such an obvious mistake" idiocy if it wasn't so clearly motivated by pure selfishness, with a near complete disregard for the players (and facts). Because if you want to point to WCS as the example of the guy who won big by staying, at least have the honesty to point to some of the other guys who clearly lost big by staying. Alex Poythress being the best example- probably a first rounder if he leaves after his freshman year.
 
Yeah. I mean, I was so totally unaware of that example, and it obviously completely offsets all the other FACTS I stated.

But hey, brilliant argument. Kind of like saying "yeah, you should keep spending 50 dollars a week on lottery tickets, because look, that guy won".

I'd have more patience with the "it's so sad that this player (who now has a guaranteed contract worth millions) made such an obvious mistake" idiocy if it wasn't so clearly motivated by pure selfishness, with a near complete disregard for the players (and facts). Because if you want to point to WCS as the example of the guy who won big by staying, at least have the honesty to point to some of the other guys who clearly lost big by staying. Alex Poythress being the best example- probably a first rounder if he leaves after his freshman year.
You asked, I answered. If you don't want an answer; don't ask.
 
You asked, I answered. If you don't want an answer; don't ask.
Yes, and that one counter-example completely offsets the overall reality.

Keep buying those lottery tickets. It's obviously a brilliant use of your money. Because hey, somebody wins.

And, BTW, if WCS doesn't break his foot in March of 2014, there's a pretty good chance he leaves that spring. And it's highly likely he would have gone in the first round. Not lottery, but still guaranteed millions, and one year earlier.

Here's a list of top 25 RSCI players from the last 8 years who stayed in college more than 2 years and ended up being drafted in the lottery:

John Henson, Kris Dunn.

The list of top 25 guys who stayed in college more than 2 years and weren't lottery picks (or drafted at all) is a lot bigger.

Some people refuse to accept the idea that college basketball isn't really necessary for guys to develop into professional players, but that is the reality. I'm sure it helps a lot of guys, but that's not the same as being necessary.

So people develop myths that contradict reality. You still hear all kinds of people repeat the myth that there were an inordinate amount of failures among the guys who entered the NBA straight out of HS. That's just a blatant lie, because the reality is that those guys (and there were only 35 of them from Garnett to the 1 and done rule) succeeded professionally at an astronomically high rate compared to what you normally get in NBA drafts.

The new myth is that there are all these guys just killing their professional future by leaving too early, but the reality is that the NBA isn't drafting upperclassmen at the top of the draft. If the NBA thinks a player has high potential, they'll take him long before his junior year in college. If they think he's lacking something, they're probably never going to take him near the top of the draft, whether he plays 2, 3, 4, or frickin' 5 years in college. And yeah, DUH, there are exceptions to that, but acting like everyone should try to be one of those exceptions is just silly and unrealistic.
 
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Yeah. I mean, I was so totally unaware of that example, and it obviously completely offsets all the other FACTS I stated.

But hey, brilliant argument. Kind of like saying "yeah, you should keep spending 50 dollars a week on lottery tickets, because look, that guy won".

I'd have more patience with the "it's so sad that this player (who now has a guaranteed contract worth millions) made such an obvious mistake" idiocy if it wasn't so clearly motivated by pure selfishness, with a near complete disregard for the players (and facts). Because if you want to point to WCS as the example of the guy who won big by staying, at least have the honesty to point to some of the other guys who clearly lost big by staying. Alex Poythress being the best example- probably a first rounder if he leaves after his freshman year.

Goes both ways. Don't see you pointing out those who left early only to see them to never be heard from again.
 
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Or he stays, gets picked a handful of spots lower in the second round because he's a senior viewed with limited upside due to his physical gifts and when he proves he can play for two seasons in the D-League, he's almost 24, just now getting his shot to be the 15th man and earned two less years of money.

I think this works for guys like Darkari who will never really get more athletic or anything. They are who they are. As a fan, we'd be a better team if he stayed but I can understand.

On the other side, the argument doesn't hold water for guys like Orton who are physically 3 times more gifted than a guy like Dakari who have 0 patience and rush into it and piss their youth and athleticism away trying to "get paid while getting better" when in reality he's just getting into brawls in China. One more year would have done him a world of favors. Guys like Goodwin, who aren't doing bad for themselves, could have been lottery type guys instead of barely first round.
 
Yes, and that one counter-example completely offsets the overall reality.

Keep buying those lottery tickets. It's obviously a brilliant use of your money. Because hey, somebody wins.

And, BTW, if WCS doesn't break his foot in March of 2014, there's a pretty good chance he leaves that spring. And it's highly likely he would have gone in the first round. Not lottery, but still guaranteed millions, and one year earlier.

Here's a list of top 25 RSCI players from the last 8 years who stayed in college more than 2 years and ended up being drafted in the lottery:

John Henson, Kris Dunn.

The list of top 25 guys who stayed in college more than 2 years and weren't lottery picks (or drafted at all) is a lot bigger.

Some people refuse to accept the idea that college basketball isn't really necessary for guys to develop into professional players, but that is the reality. I'm sure it helps a lot of guys, but that's not the same as being necessary.

So people develop myths that contradict reality. You still hear all kinds of people repeat the myth that there were an inordinate amount of failures among the guys who entered the NBA straight out of HS. That's just a blatant lie, because the reality is that those guys (and there were only 35 of them from Garnett to the 1 and done rule) succeeded professionally at an astronomically high rate compared to what you normally get in NBA drafts.

The new myth is that there are all these guys just killing their professional future by leaving too early, but the reality is that the NBA isn't drafting upperclassmen at the top of the draft, If the NBA thinks a player has high potential, they'll take him long before his junior year in college. If they think he's lacking something, they're probably never going to take him near the top of the draft, whether he plays 2, 3, 4, or frickin' 5 years in college. And yeah, DUH, there are exceptions to that, but acting like everyone should try to be one of those exceptions is just silly and unrealistic.
Once again... YOU asked the question. I gave one example answer, nothing else.
I am glad you, keysor and witless can read tea leaves and determine how someone's overall thinking and life are by less than 8 words.
You guys should use your superhero talent for the good of mankind; instead of posting on message boards.
Please
 
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