Wondering why the late tackle 5 yards out of bounds was not called against SC. Also, I realize that holding can be called on just about every play, but I thought a couple of the calls were unnecessary against us. Also saw a pass interference called that should have not been called against us....but then when we needed a call the most, the official on the field called Westry down before he lost the ball, and there was not enough video evidence to overturn the call. Had he called it a fumble, there still would not have been enough video evidence to overturn it...so we got the critical call in our favor when the game was on the line.
Officiating in the SC game
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I understand the frustration but it honestly goes both way most of the time.
Just a cheating ref or a weak kneed ref. It was 12 yards out of bounds. And your right, holding can be called almost anytime. The timing of the two holding calls was perfect to get us out of sync. Play to beat their brains out instead of trying to etch out a victory the cheating or weak kneed refs would have more trouble.
What happened on that series where South Carolina had it 1st and goal from like the 17 yard line. SC got it back to the 3 and got a 1st down. I'm still confused on that one.
That series of downs made me think about the Fla.game last yr. (You remember when time expired of the playclock)
There was a penalty, IIRC defensive holding that comes with an automatic first down.
I hate people complaining about officiating, win or lose. Calls, both good and bad go both ways. Fans see and remember those calls that go against their team...rarely do they see or remember the ones that go the other way.
I think the timing of the penalty was similar to a block in the back or holding on a kick return. The ball gets moved back 10 yards from the spot of the foul but it resets to 1st and 10. It's not the same thing as a change of possession, but that's the only thing I can think that's similar.
I try not to be conspiratorial, but the start of the second half was ridiculous. They called a hold on every play we got decent yards and missed that big late hit oob (and he was about 5 yards oob). If we scored on our first possession of the 2nd half (when the late hit was missed) we probably win something like 38-13.
No reason to have replays on fumbles, out of bounds, etc. and not have them on penalty calls or non-calls. The way it is now, you can overturn some mis- calls but not others than can have an even bigger impact. Net, review every call or none. Me, I'm for none.
Watched the game again yesterday. There were 2 really bad officiating decisions that went against us. The holding call against Harmon when the replay showed he didn't touch Cooper. That acting job by Cooper could have cost us the football game. The other was when Timmons was hit and knocked down 2 yards out of bounds. That was an obvious personal foul and an easy call, but no call was made. The South Carolina fans might have problems with some other calls. But I watched the turnovers again in slow motion, and the refs called those right. Kentucky did not play 4 quarters of outstanding football, but we overcame a lot of adversity and still win on the road in a tough venue. Good win for our team.
That Defensive holding call was atrocious. That Int. (and lack of an overturned call) was Karma for those d-bags.
The "late hit" on the QB call on UK in the 1st quarter that wiped out an Int. was pretty weak, too...especially in light of the late hits out of bounds they let go later.
The "late hit" on the QB call on UK in the 1st quarter that wiped out an Int. was pretty weak, too...especially in light of the late hits out of bounds they let go later.
They called that a "low hit." I thought that was even more ridiculous considering that Forrest hit the quarterback in the hips.
they got the Westry fumble/non-fumble call correct. although he coughed up the ball he was down first.that was very apparent. so that was not a "break" that was correct. the big missed calls were: 1. defensive holding on Pharoah Cooper. no contact was ever made... Cooper lost his balance and it looked like Harmon made contact to cause that but the replay showed that wasn't the case... sometimes when you are the best player on the field you are given the benefit of the doubt (couldn't have possibly tripped over his own feet...) 2. the no call on the out of bounds push where he even got pushed into the cheerleader...
so it does tend to go both ways, but we received more of the bad calls no calls...
on the 1st and goal then 15 yard unsportsman like... the chains had not been set yet and the play clock didn't start, so the 1st and 10 just got pushed back... if the play clock would have started then they go 1st and goal. but since the play clock was yet to start (the penalty was in a dead period after the first down but before the play clock started) it doesn't affect the yard to go
so it does tend to go both ways, but we received more of the bad calls no calls...
on the 1st and goal then 15 yard unsportsman like... the chains had not been set yet and the play clock didn't start, so the 1st and 10 just got pushed back... if the play clock would have started then they go 1st and goal. but since the play clock was yet to start (the penalty was in a dead period after the first down but before the play clock started) it doesn't affect the yard to go
What game were you watching? And what was the symptoms of the weak kneed officials, were they falling down a lot?
Read Fuzz's post.
Some bad calls, sure, bound to happen in a fast game played by giants and speedsters with complicated rules and lots of plays where an inch makes the difference. Isn't it possible that we would have lost the game if holding had been called on Horton's TD run, isn't that just one example of where they could have really hurt us if they were trying to?
I have a rule change that would stop the calls about hitting too low, cut their legs off.
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The hit out of bounds was bad. It was really late. The one where we got a personal foul down by the goal line was Mus berger not knowing the rules. Personal fouls are not 1st and 25 anymore and haven't been for a long time. It's just the most overrated announcer ever screwed up again. His voice is great but I know 10 times more about sports than he does.
I have no idea what you're talking about. Maybe you need to be the one to re-read my post considering that I was agreeing with Fuzz. It was a ridiculous call on Forrest. He hit in the hips, which is not low. So, I am saying that it was not a late hit or a low hit.
" sometimes when you are the best player on the field you are given the benefit of the doubt (couldn't have possibly tripped over his own feet...)"
So, are you saying that Westry should have been given the benefit of the doubt?
No, not yet, SEC defensive player of the week notwithstanding, he still has a lot to learn. Probably some day, IMO he is a little too aggressive now, although you have to be aggressive, I think he could have possibly gotten a late hit on the QB one play, they are made of China you know.
Hey, I thought the late hit on the QB call was definitely below the waist, but then I only saw it once, anyone have a replay?
On a dead ball penalty after a first down is made, the penalty is marked off and then the chains are set. So, instead of first and goal from the 17, it was first and ten from the 17.
