Notre Dame...Joining The SEC?

[sluggercatfan]

The Big East AND the ACC both bowed down to Notre Dame and kissed their *** letting them join their conferences in everything BUT football ...If they would want to join the SEC , do you think the conference would go along with the same deal to have them in the SEC?...I sure would hope not and don't think the member schools would allow it ...What say you and why?

 

[Adolph B. Tubino]

Interesting but they would have to pair with someone to be admitted. Who?

That being said, the cultural affiliation would be misplaced. Not a big fan of the thought but the monetary benefits would be hard to turn down.

 

[pappy52]

the only way the sec brings in Notre Dame....is in all sports and they sign their private tv contract over to the sec.....for everyone to share...and the irish won't do that. so the irish will never join the sec.

 

[maysvilleky]

Originally posted by pappy52:

the only way the sec brings in Notre Dame....is in all sports and they sign their private tv contract over to the sec.....for everyone to share...and the irish won't do that. so the irish will never join the sec.

ND will join the ACC before the SEC. But honestly I don't see them giving up their FB freedom. Until they get cut out of the Bowl Championship process, they aren't going to be inclined to give up that freedom and money.

 

[Blue Decade]

Originally posted by sluggercatfan:

The Big East AND the ACC both bowed down to Notre Dame and kissed their *** letting them join their conferences in everything BUT football ...If they would want to join the SEC , do you think the conference would go along with the same deal to have them in the SEC?...I sure would hope not and don't think the member schools would allow it ...What say you and why?

It could not be clearer that ND intends to remain independent in football. ND negotiates their own exclusive TV football contracts with networks. They are doing very well financially with their approach, without any need for a conference entanglement. In basketball, they just won the ACCT championship. Why would they want to change anything? ND is in a unique position. I have not seen the 1st shred of evidence that ND has the slightest interest in the SEC.
This post was edited on 3/18 1:56 PM by Blue Decade

 

[Beavis606]

ND looks down its nose at the SEC. It would never even consider joining.

 

[vhcat70]

Though I don't put the odds very high, I'd see TX joining b4 ND. TX & OK would be great, but Legislature won't let OK do it w/o Okie St.

 

[Deeeefense]

For the many reasons mentioned here it will never happen. The only way the ever join any conference is if they have a one loss season and still don't make the BCS final four. It would take a big fan revolt to do it even then. The natural geographical fit is obviously the B10.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

I can't see the SEC letting them do that. I know UK is a huge BB school, but the majority of the rest of the conference has BB on a much lower tier than FB. I know after Harrick the UGA BB coach isn't under much pressure to win, just don't do anything to cause a blackeye to the school and win what you can. If ND wanted to come in all sports including FB I could see the conference taking them providing they can find another attractive addition to keep the balance between divisions. Now I have no idea who that might be, Texas maybe but pretty much set the rules for the Big12 and A&M wouldn't be very happy with it. OU is out because of state law they have to stay in the same conference as OSU, Baylor and TCU are the cream of the Big12 so likely neither of those. I don't think the SEC wants anyone from Conference USA. So that leaves raiding the ACC, one of the North Carolina schools, most likely NCST. or one of the Virginia schools but they might be tied together like the Oklahoma schools. Truthfully, if we are wanting to expand probably missed the boat when WVU joined the Big12. ND and WVY would have been pretty nice additions to the conference and increased the footprint and number of TVs tuning in.

 

[Blue Decade]

Originally posted by Grumpyolddawg:
If ND wanted to come in all sports including FB I could see the conference taking them providing they can find another attractive addition to keep the balance between divisions. Now I have no idea who that might be, Texas maybe but pretty much set the rules for the Big12 and A&M wouldn't be very happy with it. OU is out because of state law they have to stay in the same conference as OSU, Baylor and TCU are the cream of the Big12 so likely neither of those. I don't think the SEC wants anyone from Conference USA. So that leaves raiding the ACC, one of the North Carolina schools, most likely NCST. or one of the Virginia schools but they might be tied together like the Oklahoma schools. Truthfully, if we are wanting to expand probably missed the boat when WVU joined the Big12.

Expansion remains a priority for the SEC, but they will carefully pick their opportunities. After adding Arky and South Carolina, the SEC waited almost 2 decades to add Mizzou and TAMU. ND and Texas will never join the SEC. ND is exactly where they want to be as a football independent and an ACC member for other sports. They just won the ACC basketball tournament. If Texas wanted to join the SEC, they would have come in with TAMU. Texas is a lot like ND in wanting to call all the shots, which they could never do in the SEC. The next additions to the SEC are at least several years away. The SEC is the only truly stable conference in the south. The ACC and Big 12 have stable cores of 4-6 teams, but newer teams in both conferences are just looking for the next deal. Sooner or later, the ACC or the Big 12 will come apart, and that is when the SEC will add again.

 

[southindycat]

nm

This post was edited on 3/18 2:43 PM by southindycat

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Originally posted by Blue Decade:

Originally posted by Grumpyolddawg:
If ND wanted to come in all sports including FB I could see the conference taking them providing they can find another attractive addition to keep the balance between divisions. Now I have no idea who that might be, Texas maybe but pretty much set the rules for the Big12 and A&M wouldn't be very happy with it. OU is out because of state law they have to stay in the same conference as OSU, Baylor and TCU are the cream of the Big12 so likely neither of those. I don't think the SEC wants anyone from Conference USA. So that leaves raiding the ACC, one of the North Carolina schools, most likely NCST. or one of the Virginia schools but they might be tied together like the Oklahoma schools. Truthfully, if we are wanting to expand probably missed the boat when WVU joined the Big12.

Expansion remains a priority for the SEC, but they will carefully pick their opportunities. After adding Arky and South Carolina, the SEC waited almost 2 decades to add Mizzou and TAMU. ND and Texas will never join the SEC. ND is exactly where they want to be as a football independent and an ACC member for other sports. They just won the ACC basketball tournament. If Texas wanted to join the SEC, they would have come in with TAMU. Texas is a lot like ND in wanting to call all the shots, which they could never do in the SEC. The next additions to the SEC are at least several years away. The SEC is the only truly stable conference in the south. The ACC and Big 12 have stable cores of 4-6 teams, but newer teams in both conferences are just looking for the next deal. Sooner or later, the ACC or the Big 12 will come apart, and that is when the SEC will add again.

I agree, at this point I don't think ND has any interest in changing the football from independent. But if by some chance they were to get left out of the playoffs, I know not likely, that might change. Texas was ready to head to the Pac12 when A&M joined the SEC. The Big12 was on the verge of falling apart, its still not real stable and it wouldn't take much incentive for current members to bolt, Texas feels its their right to call the shots and is the reason A&M came to the SEC. Unless they are willing to give up a little more of their hold others will bolt at the first chance of a good opportunity. The question is would Texas jump into another conference while the chance was there.

 

[C1180]

Notre Dame wants to have their cake and eat it too. I do not think the SEC is interested in playing that game with them. All of the conferences would go hard after them if they would go in all of the way including football. Notre Dame has a national TV audience and is in the huge Chicago TV area. IMO if they were to go all sports including football to a conference that they would go Big 10 or however many teams they now have.

The ACC that is a little on the low end in the Big Five as far as football and truthfully is a Basketball conference is willing to play their game because it allows them to schedule and play them in football which gives its football a little more hype. They also like their games going into the huge Chicago TV area for recruiting purposes. They might not be sharing the TV revenue but they are getting network TV exposure when they play them.

 

[sluggercatfan]

Originally posted by Blue Decade:

Originally posted by sluggercatfan:

The Big East AND the ACC both bowed down to Notre Dame and kissed their *** letting them join their conferences in everything BUT football ...If they would want to join the SEC , do you think the conference would go along with the same deal to have them in the SEC?...I sure would hope not and don't think the member schools would allow it ...What say you and why?

It could not be clearer that ND intends to remain independent in football. ND negotiates their own exclusive TV football contracts with networks. They are doing very well financially with their approach, without any need for a conference entanglement. In basketball, they just won the ACCT championship. Why would they want to change anything? ND is in a unique position. I have not seen the 1st shred of evidence that ND has the slightest interest in the SEC.

This post was edited on 3/18 1:56 PM by Blue Decade

I'm not saying ND wants to join the SEC...I'm just asking a hypothetical question of "what if" they did want to join , but wanted the SEC to give them the same deal the others have basically kissing ND's *** to let them in for scheduling for their other sports, but being selfish with football...Would the SEC do it?...

 

[Mayoman]

Originally posted by sluggercatfan:

I'm not saying ND wants to join the SEC...I'm just asking a hypothetical question of "what if" they did want to join , but wanted the SEC to give them the same deal the others have basically kissing ND's *** to let them in for scheduling for their other sports, but being selfish with football...Would the SEC do it?...

No way. The SEC does not need ND any more than ND needs the SEC. It is all about the $$$ and both parties are secure in that area. Plus, the SEC would not ever bend to ND's demand like the former BE and now the ACC have. Not gonna happen.

Now if the SEC wanted to make OSU and ND a package deal.....well, that might sweeten the pot some......but that is crazy talk right there.

Charter member of the B10 and ND......whoa Nellie!

 

[GhostVol]

Future expansion for the SEC:

Tier 1 for expansion to the East: NC State, VaTech (both bring in new TV markets and NCSU would get out from under UNC and Duke's shadow)
Tier 2 for expansion to the East: Clemson, GATech (problem is, no new markets, USC and UGA would oppose.)

Tier 1 for expansion to the West: OK, OSU (would have to come together, as posted earlier. Might be a problem). Keep an eye on how many fans the Sooners bring to Knoxville this September. If it's more than 10K, that's proof that they'll travel well (good for the bottom line)

There's not really a Tier 2 for the West. There's not another Texas school that would enhance the SEC other than we one we already have (A&M). Kansas? Would be a gimme in football, but would make things fun in b-ball tho.

Here's an outlier for you. Pitt. We just signed a home and home with them for 2021/2022. Their fans are more excited about our series than they are about ANY team they play in the ACC.

 

[JPFisher]

Can someone PLEASE post the GIF of Steve Carrel in The Office screaming, "No! No! NOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

 

[Ara64]

A more intriguing question is, would UK fans be interested in a home/home series with Notre Dame? We all know if ND joins a conference it will be the ACC. ND will never join the Big 10 because of bad blood. The Big 12 and Pac 12 are too far away and we have nothing in common with the schools of the SEC except the love of the game. I know ND wants to play teams from the SEC. UK is a program on the rise in the SEC and ND has recruited in Kentucky.

 

[C1180]

Why would Notre Dame want to change anything. They have the best of every thing. A have your cake and eat it too deal with the ACC. They get to keep their football TV deal without sharing it with the other ACC members, their football scheduling has become easier, and they get all of the benefits of being in a conference for all of their other sports. They have basic big 5 conference status in football without sharing their sweet TV deal.

I personally do not want them in the SEC. They are not what they once were and are IMO in decline from being a super power in football compared to what they were in the past. Letting them into the SEC would rejuvenate them.

 

[stenchymouse]

Originally posted by Ara64:
A more intriguing question is, would UK fans be interested in a home/home series with Notre Dame? We all know if ND joins a conference it will be the ACC. ND will never join the Big 10 because of bad blood. The Big 12 and Pac 12 are too far away and we have nothing in common with the schools of the SEC except the love of the game. I know ND wants to play teams from the SEC. UK is a program on the rise in the SEC and ND has recruited in Kentucky.

What does Notre Dame have in common with the ACC?

The "perception" of academic integrity went out the window with UNC and Syracuse, not to mention the addition of Louisville.

I'd say that Notre Dame has more in common with the SEC than it does the ACC because of the emphasis on football.

Vandy is as good academically as anyone in the ACC as well...

 

[C1180]

Originally posted by Ara64:
A more intriguing question is, would UK fans be interested in a home/home series with Notre Dame? We all know if ND joins a conference it will be the ACC. ND will never join the Big 10 because of bad blood. The Big 12 and Pac 12 are too far away and we have nothing in common with the schools of the SEC except the love of the game. I know ND wants to play teams from the SEC. UK is a program on the rise in the SEC and ND has recruited in Kentucky.

I have absolutely no desire for UK to play Notre Dame. IMO all of the big five conference teams should freeze them out and not schedule them which would basically put them in mid major status with little chance to make the playoffs. I would like to see how long their sweetheart TV deal lasted in that scenario. What is the bad blood that they have with the Big Ten? I don't think that UK has any interest in helping Notre Dame recruit in Kentucky.

I cant see that Notre Dame has anything more in common with the ACC other than the ACC being stupid enough to let them have their cake and eat it too or were you referring to the cheating culture at UNC. The truth is a lot of the big twelve teams are closer to Notre Dame than a lot of the ACC teams. If you want close the only conference that makes any sense is the Big Ten but that isn't going to happen unless you go all in with the conference. The majority of the Big Ten teams are within a 300 to 400 mile radius of South Bend. Heck you would have two in state rivals, another in Chicago, and the two Michigan teams all within 200 miles

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

I agree with you C1180, I think we have them scheduled pretty soon, but I don't like it. Lets see how long NBC keeps that TV deal goingi when they are playing teams like Southern Miss are their big games. I thought it was odd the Domer said ND fit the ACC better than the other conferences, the conference that has shown academics mean very little if anything if they cause a problem with putting a successful team on the field or court, their conference champion in football is willing to ignore or coverup anything one of their star players does, and ND fits in with them.

 

[ram1955]

Agree...the best way to deal with nd is to boycott them. If the acc had the gonads, that's exactly what they'd do. You would not see the SEC or the b10 bend over backward to accommodate...as neither conference needs nd. The acc, on the otherhand ain't the b10 and it sure as heck ain't the SEC.