We dont have to worry about 47 free throws to 23 or whatever the hell it was....we will be just fine
no road games in tourney so....
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no home games either,till we get a big lead and keep it or win a one or two possession game I'll be in the believe it when I see it section.
I'm more worried about defense and rebounding.....that's a bigger problem.
Exactly.
And as for "no home games".. a neutral site game is MUCH closer to a home game for us, than it is to a road game.
In terms of difficulty, if a Road game is a 10 and a home game is a 1, a neutral site game is a 4, tops.
No BS officiating, no tough and daunting environment for the young players, and over 2/3rd of the crowd are Kentucky fans.
And as for "no home games".. a neutral site game is MUCH closer to a home game for us, than it is to a road game.
In terms of difficulty, if a Road game is a 10 and a home game is a 1, a neutral site game is a 4, tops.
No BS officiating, no tough and daunting environment for the young players, and over 2/3rd of the crowd are Kentucky fans.
It's no surprise then, that Cal has yet to have a "bad" loss in the tournament. However, we've exceeded expectations a few times now, despite having bracket after bracket stacked against us.
Meanwhile, Kansas chokes every year and Duke needs all the help they can get to win two titles, and STILL choke twice..
No road games in the tournament is big for Kentucky, and our record in them also points to just how bad officiating and the environments have been for us, in those regular reason road games.
Meanwhile, Kansas chokes every year and Duke needs all the help they can get to win two titles, and STILL choke twice..
No road games in the tournament is big for Kentucky, and our record in them also points to just how bad officiating and the environments have been for us, in those regular reason road games.
Kidding or not, I am still putting us in the Final 4.
We are 16-1 in Home/Neutral court games, and the lose loss was a very early one. There won't be a a tougher environment, or worse officiating, than the recent @Kansas and @Tenn games.
So yes, I would still bet on Kentucky being in the Final4.. even if we lose 3 of our last 4 road games..
We are 16-1 in Home/Neutral court games, and the lose loss was a very early one. There won't be a a tougher environment, or worse officiating, than the recent @Kansas and @Tenn games.
So yes, I would still bet on Kentucky being in the Final4.. even if we lose 3 of our last 4 road games..
This thread topic is just factually incorrect. What if Villanova is one of the teams in the Philadelphia regional? What about UNC and Duke playing in the Raleigh pod? What about Oklahoma playing in the Oklahoma City pod? What if Texas A&M makes it to the Final Four in Houston? What about Iowa and Iowa State in the Des Moines pod?
There are most certainly going to be teams with home court advantages in the NCAA tourney. The only question is whether UK will be able to avoid them.
There are most certainly going to be teams with home court advantages in the NCAA tourney. The only question is whether UK will be able to avoid them.
That can always happen, but it rarely does. You'd need to play a highly followed team in their backyard, that also isn't OUR own backyard. That happens at most, once a tournament. Some tournaments never.
Not to mention you also have a few games of the tournament that might as well be home games, playing within 250 miles where the crowd is 87% Blue and the other team's fans barely show up.
And even THEN, IF we play Oklahoma near their house, it's STILL not the same as a true road game. You can rest assure that Blue will represent well anywhere we go.
I've posted my research on several threads......... The UK home games and Neutral court games against the larger conference teams is very similar............ then the road games are wildly off in the other teams favor.
Iowa State is the host for the Des Moines games, so they can't play there. But otherwise, your point is taken.
You have to be joking. It happens every single year there is a tourney site in North Carolina.
The committee invented the "pod system" specifically to place highly rated teams closer to home so they increase ticket sales.
Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Our defensive skills must improve or we'll have the same deltas in free throw attempts. The home court advantage did not make that much difference. There is no directive to make free throws even. You can blame the imaginary evil dark force known as officiating, but bottom line is we foul. A lot.
The only time we fouled "a lot" is in our 5 road game losses. I did the research. I even took out the mid major games that skew the numbers. Here is my post on the research i did
"Mid major games......... take those out...
Neutral court 3 games (Duke, USF, Ohio State) UK averages 18.3 fouls -- OPP average 17.7 fouls
Road game wins - 2 (Bama , Arkansas) UK averages 24 fouls --- OPP averages 23.5
Road game losses - 5 (UCLA, LSU, Auburn, KU, TENN) UK averages 27 fouls ---- OPP averages 17 fouls
UK Home wins - 6 (ASU, UL, Ole Miss, Miss ST, Vandy, Mizzou) UK averages 19.3 fouls ----- OPP averages 18.2 fouls
If you take the home wins, road wins and neutral court games together...
UK is averaging 20 FT's and 20 Fouls to the OPP 21 FT's and 19 Fouls
In the 5 road losses UK is averaging 21 FT's and 27 fouls to the OPP 35 FT's and 17 fouls
So the KU fans that just think UK is getting massive home cooking are very wrong" .
. The stats say that we get called for a lot more fouls in those road games than we do in home or NEUTRAL court games..... I mean 24 fouls is 5 more fouls in the two road wins...than what we got in home games or even neutral court games........ then the 27 in the 5 games is even 3 more than that.
So either the officials are cheating for us big time in home games and neutral court games or those road games we play has some pretty good home court cooking going on............ Of course I bet Kybassfan completely skips this post since it doesnt jive with his "UK fouls a LOT" theory
"Mid major games......... take those out...
Neutral court 3 games (Duke, USF, Ohio State) UK averages 18.3 fouls -- OPP average 17.7 fouls
Road game wins - 2 (Bama , Arkansas) UK averages 24 fouls --- OPP averages 23.5
Road game losses - 5 (UCLA, LSU, Auburn, KU, TENN) UK averages 27 fouls ---- OPP averages 17 fouls
UK Home wins - 6 (ASU, UL, Ole Miss, Miss ST, Vandy, Mizzou) UK averages 19.3 fouls ----- OPP averages 18.2 fouls
If you take the home wins, road wins and neutral court games together...
UK is averaging 20 FT's and 20 Fouls to the OPP 21 FT's and 19 Fouls
In the 5 road losses UK is averaging 21 FT's and 27 fouls to the OPP 35 FT's and 17 fouls
So the KU fans that just think UK is getting massive home cooking are very wrong" .
. The stats say that we get called for a lot more fouls in those road games than we do in home or NEUTRAL court games..... I mean 24 fouls is 5 more fouls in the two road wins...than what we got in home games or even neutral court games........ then the 27 in the 5 games is even 3 more than that.
So either the officials are cheating for us big time in home games and neutral court games or those road games we play has some pretty good home court cooking going on............ Of course I bet Kybassfan completely skips this post since it doesnt jive with his "UK fouls a LOT" theory
In our first three losses we were getting outscored from the field as well as the FT line. The last three we have outscored our opponents from the field, but the FT disparity is nearly double what we shoot. Take away the bogus calls in the last two games and both teams shoot around 18 FTs a piece.
Interesting numbers. Very subjective though. Who decides a call is bogus? You'd need a panel of coaches and officials to do that, not from KY.
Quite the contrary. I'd be as bad as you, in favor of KY. It must be independent.
Another thought on this. I do believe there is some chance that the officiating might remain more consistent throughout for a given game in the tourney. That could help us.
I also have to give UMM a little credit. This thread is actually a decent topic and somewhat unique. Hope he continues in that vein though likely just a "blind hog" at work.
I also have to give UMM a little credit. This thread is actually a decent topic and somewhat unique. Hope he continues in that vein though likely just a "blind hog" at work.
No no no.. I'm not saying that teams don't also play in their home town. I mean that it's rare that Kentucky has to go to them.
The NC opening round that you speak of is definitely there, but Kentucky isn't playing UNC/Duke there, unless Kentucky comes in as less than a 4 seed... which has happened once under Cal.
I mean, we can go back and look at every tourney game.. Out of the 25 games or so.. maybe 3-4 were in scenarios that had more opposing fans.. maybe another 3-4 were even? The rest are close to that "home game" in the scale I was talking about.
We've never had a single tourney game that resembled any regular season road game. That's why we either match tourney expectations or beat them...
As I've said before, this team is such an enigma I don't know what to expect. But with the track record Cal has had in the tournament, a final four run would really not surprise me that much.
Let's look at the worst seeded tournament year under Cal: 2014. Anytime Kentucky is a #1 seed, we're playing most games within 250 miles with an absurd fan output, so I think we all know that the first 4 games are very favorable for us.
Our opening round games, KState and Wichita, were in St. Louis. Pretty much equal distance between us and the two opponents. I'd imagine it was atleast 50% Kentucky fans. No road environment, no officials persuaded by a team's superbowl.
Sweet16 and Elite8 against UofL and Michigan, in Indy. Again, probably mostly Kentucky fans at both games
Finals were in Texas. Kentucky fans swarmed IIRC. Only Florida was closer.. but all 4 teams were pretty far.
So even in our worst seeding, we still had Neutral site games or better.. And we played all big schools (Wichita being undefeated, I put the fan output up there with a "big school"), that would have solid turnout.
Our opening round games, KState and Wichita, were in St. Louis. Pretty much equal distance between us and the two opponents. I'd imagine it was atleast 50% Kentucky fans. No road environment, no officials persuaded by a team's superbowl.
Sweet16 and Elite8 against UofL and Michigan, in Indy. Again, probably mostly Kentucky fans at both games
Finals were in Texas. Kentucky fans swarmed IIRC. Only Florida was closer.. but all 4 teams were pretty far.
So even in our worst seeding, we still had Neutral site games or better.. And we played all big schools (Wichita being undefeated, I put the fan output up there with a "big school"), that would have solid turnout.
I agree with most of what you're saying but Wisconsin def had the most fans at the 2014 final four. Also when we were playing St. Louis that year the Ku, WSU, and KSU fans all joined forces and cheered against us.
Yeah, I meant to ask if people knew first hand, or remember, how the fan turnout was at any of the games. I've only attended the WVU/UK Elite8 game as far as tourney goes, and surprisingly, that was about half it seemed.
I'm sure there are a few games that had more fan turnout than we did (I said 3 or 4 to be safe). But even that.. nothing close to a densely packed campus arena with 70% students going ape-shit
I'm sure there are a few games that had more fan turnout than we did (I said 3 or 4 to be safe). But even that.. nothing close to a densely packed campus arena with 70% students going ape-shit
