What happens when these players who have NIL deals set up whie in high school don’t produce to the anticipated level? How do they handle that? A player getting $500 per month is playing over a guy getting $10,000 per month.
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What has nil money got to do with playing time?
If it were a salary, then you'd have an argument. It would still be terrible because you play the best players period, coaches get fired for losing. But endorsement deals are irrelevant.
If it were a salary, then you'd have an argument. It would still be terrible because you play the best players period, coaches get fired for losing. But endorsement deals are irrelevant.
Lol. You know the point he is making. The guys paying the NIL want a return on the investment. They will stop investing without returns.
I would surprised if a lot of deals dint have bonuses for playing time or lowering rates if player busts.
I would surprised if a lot of deals dint have bonuses for playing time or lowering rates if player busts.
Like you don't have to be a genius to figure it out. Take TNs new future QB what did they pay him? 8 million? What if he's another quantanamo or whatever his name was a few years ago? I don't imagine I'd be very happy if my 8 million dollar QB wasn't a real threat to win the hiesman. I believe this is why you can't really NIL like crazy till they're here and producing (like how it's supposed to be done) There are wayyy too many recruiting flops for me to offer a HS kid much of anything if it's my money. Not hard to see that if a couple of these burn the donors it should slow wayyy down.
What will happen is people will lose money and lots of it. This sport actually needs some of these scenarios to get things back to some sense of reasonableness before it's too late
I guess it’s no different when in pro sports a lower paid player is better then a guy making more. The coach needs to play the best player to win…money be damned!
this happened with New Orleans and Tasum Hill, Kurt Warner vs Trent Green back in the days Rams, etc..
it’s going to happen a helkuva lot more as high schools and college are way harder to predict who will be better. This is rhe downside many were trying to bring up when this paying players stuff started coming up
this happened with New Orleans and Tasum Hill, Kurt Warner vs Trent Green back in the days Rams, etc..
it’s going to happen a helkuva lot more as high schools and college are way harder to predict who will be better. This is rhe downside many were trying to bring up when this paying players stuff started coming up
I'd be interested to know how the people who gave D'eriq King and Rattler high six figure deals last year feel. Both had proven production and were considered Heisman candidates, especially Rattler. By halftime of the opening game against Bama, King's stock was in the toilet and flushed away a couple of weeks later against Sparty. Rattler never got untracked either and was benched during the Texas game and had to watch freshman Caleb Williams rally the Sooners for the win, and never got his starting job back. That's a lot of money spent on guys who literally produced nothing.
All they'll do is scale back a bit. Some of these schools have supporters with nearly endless pockets.
What happens when you hire someone who’s better ir worse than your previous hires? That’s life and part of the new paradigm in college sports.
This sport now routinely pays off bad losing coaches $10m, $15m, even $20m to go away and stop coaching their teams
Anybody thinking these big money boosters are gonna gain perspective or be more careful with their millions if a 5* QB is a flop like Rattler are gonna be surprised when it doesn't stop anyone
A free market will correct itself eventually. Problem is when? Imagine high school recruiting in our state with NIL deals for the Trinity, X, Male types with a few larger rural areas having coalitions. It could be a death knell for Cinderella stories. We could see the 3 star and up kid from (insert county school here) "moving" to Louisville, Cincy and surrounding areas with major high school programs. In this scenario on any level the deepest pockets win.
The people who have been paying players for decades wouldn't have been paying for players if they were worried like the rest of us would be.
Trent Green is a real gentleman. At least ten years ago I got to attend a party at his house when he was back up with the Rams .
In his prime The story ( not told to me by Trent) was that he got injured on a cheap shot in one of the last exhibition games . Otherwise we probably we never have heard of Kurt Warner.
when Trent found out I was From Kentucky he asked if I knew one of our pass rushers who played both on the UK team he faced and in the NFL .I believe our players name was Mc something but I can’t remember right now . Trent mentioned his name every time we were in a conversation that night . Said he was a great guy . Clean player and they had fun with him chasing Trent around all over the field both in college and pros.
Trent is a model citizen. Supports many charities . Was really a night I’ll always remember .
He’s an announcer now for ESPN . I keep up with him through his stepdad who is my friend .
The problem is this isn't really a free market issue. Most of this is being done by well off alumni that just want their team to get the best player. They aren't really concerned about a return on investment. This is basically a elevated form of boosters giving out $10k hand shakes to recruits back in the 70's and 80's.
Not a lot of $10k handshakes back then…I know that this narrative that this kind of stuff was done by boosters under the table and now we are just now seeing it come to light with nil, but the sheer numbers now are what is staggering.
There was the term $100 hand shakes because that was what some got, some even got a car to drive or sometimes mama got a house upgrade that the local church all of a sudden “donated”. Or given a job to make sure all the soap were in the trays in the locker room. (My father was offered this job during his recruitment at LSU)
Hell, the going rate for a 5 star player back in the early 2000’s was $200k. We were outbid by Alabama as I believed we offered only $50k and that recruitment sent both programs to its knees with probation. Means
now we are talking millions of $’s. Life changing money. And money in which I believe will actually hurt the development of these 17 year old kids. What is there to work for now. The money is in the bank. I believe the market will self correct but this is a bad setup for UK and programs like it, we just don’t have the doners with cash to pay $40M a recruiting class like some of these other programs do. See Louisville, Miami, UTK etc…
I agree a ton with your comments but the last sentence is puzzling a bit. How does UL have huge cash money donors? I just don't see it. Schools like Texas, Auburn, USC, Bama will come up with enough, etc... but UL does not have that level of donors in my opinion.
UL has Adidas who has shown a willingness to go all in for them as one of their few premier clients.
Look at HS golf. Let’s say you have a player girl or boy that’s good enough to play Div. 1 golf. However if you don’t get noticed and only play Kentucky high school tourneys that won’t happen. Most college coaches only look at AMexican Junior Golf Association AJGA events. States like Florida, California, and Arizona have dozen of tourneys a year, Kentucky has two. Now you don’t just show up and play but instead you have to play in a qualifying tourney. You will have 70-90 kids trying to get two spots against a field of players from all over the world, not region but the world. That cost is basically 100.00 to play and another 100.00 to play a practice round plus food and lodging. Probably 500.00 in total cost if you fail. Now if you qualify, it gets worse. To play in the actual tourney cost 295.00 plus 3 more days of food and lodging. Just one tourney can cost 1500 just to play in one tourney. If the parents of the player mentioned. Are not loaded they just won’t play. NIL would make it a level playing field.
The night of NSD, 2000, I went to a friend’s business, from where he and I had briefly run a UK site devoted to football.
As I walked in, he shouted “Means to Alabama, Robertson to Kentucky.”
I smiled, and responded that Means had gotten 200K and Robertson 100K.
We heard that, indeed, Means’ HS coaches got 200K within a year because an investigation blew the story wide open. Means, never suited up for Bama, as no money was shared with him or his family. He had a mediocre career at Memphis.
Some years later, I learned that Robertson got the 100K I had guesstimated on NSD.
The 8 mil QB gets first crack to succeed or fail and gets a pretty long leash if the NIL group is heavily tied to the University.
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