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NIL and the Senate

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Tuberville and Mancin introducing legislation to basically put the NCAA under the wing if the Federal Trade commission to investigate buying players, illegal inducements, etc. Also proposing limiting transfer portal to seniors or grad students.

I don't have great feelings about the feds officially overseeing college sport. It goes from rule violation to breaking federal law, and both the ncaa and federal government are not noted for efficiency.
 
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Based on past history with respect to Federal oversight of college sports, there’s good reason to be skeptical that this will change anything.

Congress passed the Sports Agent Responsibility and Trust Act (SPARTA) back in 2004. SPARTA was designed to minimize involvement of agents with student athletes and also delegated enforcement to the FTC. In the nearly 20 years since it was passed, it’s never really been enforced. The only enforcement that has occurred with respect to sports agents has been at the state level and under the respective state laws.

The other issue with this bill with respect to enforcement is that it stipulates that the NCAA is responsible for conducting the investigation. If the NCAA finds a violation, then the NCAA will pass that on to the FTC for enforcement.

The problem with that approach is that the NCAA still lacks subpoena power. So unless someone admits to something or the NCAA gets lucky with evidence, the NCAA is going to have the same struggles that it has today when trying to investigate violations.

The design of this bill seems particularly poor to me on a number of levels.
 
Based on past history with respect to Federal oversight of college sports, there’s good reason to be skeptical that this will change anything.

Congress passed the Sports Agent Responsibility and Trust Act (SPARTA) back in 2004. SPARTA was designed to minimize involvement of agents with student athletes and also delegated enforcement to the FTC. In the nearly 20 years since it was passed, it’s never really been enforced. The only enforcement that has occurred with respect to sports agents has been at the state level and under the respective state laws.

The other issue with this bill with respect to enforcement is that it stipulates that the NCAA is responsible for conducting the investigation. If the NCAA finds a violation, then the NCAA will pass that on to the FTC for enforcement.

The problem with that approach is that the NCAA still lacks subpoena power. So unless someone admits to something or the NCAA gets lucky with evidence, the NCAA is going to have the same struggles that it has today when trying to investigate violations.

The design of this bill seems particularly poor to me on a number of levels.
To be sure, I am no fan of the corrupt federal government. But the court system has largely become a tool for social engineering. Broadly speaking, these are discussions for another place and time, but certainly not good for amateur athletics.

In the bigger picture, though, current NIL rules are a product of the NCAA's reaction to a couple of west coast civil court rulings. You are correct in saying the NCAA lacks subpoena power, which means the NCAA is in defensive mode on this matter. So, which is better- for the future of amateur athletics to be shaped by west coast civil litigation, or for the future of amateur athletics to be shaped by the Senate under the topical leadership of Tommy Tuberville? Neither is ideal, but I know which of the two sounds more moderate and reasonable to me. Not that Tuberville or any former Auburn coach is exactly a beacon in the dark, so to speak. It's lesser of evils, a very sad situation for sure.

In our traditional value system, receiving a free college education in return for playing baseball, football, or basketball was considered a good deal. Amateur athletics were considered a worthy, character building activity for young people. By definition, amateur athletics were never conceptually intended to make athletes wealthy. Then, big network TV money and corporate sponsorships took control of amateur athletics. At the end of the day, you are correct that there are good reasons to be skeptical. Half of the country seemingly demands radical redistribution of wealth, while the other half hangs onto their hard earned savings and tries to keep the government out of their wallets to the extent possible. Fundamentally, NIL is another means for radical wealth redistribution. In an increasingly unstable society where toxic socialist narratives are engaged in culture war with the remaining institutions of free market capitalism, I remain skeptical whether the Congress can do anything constructive. But I'm sure the courts won't.
 
To be sure, I am no fan of the corrupt federal government. But the court system has largely become a tool for social engineering. Broadly speaking, these are discussions for another place and time, but certainly not good for amateur athletics.

In the bigger picture, though, current NIL rules are a product of the NCAA's reaction to a couple of west coast civil court rulings. You are correct in saying the NCAA lacks subpoena power, which means the NCAA is in defensive mode on this matter. So, which is better- for the future of amateur athletics to be shaped by west coast civil litigation, or for the future of amateur athletics to be shaped by the Senate under the topical leadership of Tommy Tuberville? Neither is ideal, but I know which of the two sounds more moderate and reasonable to me. Not that Tuberville or any former Auburn coach is exactly a beacon in the dark, so to speak. It's lesser of evils, a very sad situation for sure.

In our traditional value system, receiving a free college education in return for playing baseball, football, or basketball was considered a good deal. Amateur athletics were considered a worthy, character building activity for young people. By definition, amateur athletics were never conceptually intended to make athletes wealthy. Then, big network TV money and corporate sponsorships took control of amateur athletics. At the end of the day, you are correct that there are good reasons to be skeptical. Half of the country seemingly demands radical redistribution of wealth, while the other half hangs onto their hard earned savings and tries to keep the government out of their wallets to the extent possible. Fundamentally, NIL is another means for radical wealth redistribution. In an increasingly unstable society where toxic socialist narratives are engaged in culture war with the remaining institutions of free market capitalism, I remain skeptical whether the Congress can do anything constructive. But I'm sure the courts won't.
The Tuberville/Manchin bill is so fundamentally flawed that you are better off doing nothing.

As to the involvement of courts, NIL is a product of state legislation and not court decisions, so I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make there.

If you’re referring to things like the Alston case, that was an antitrust issue and didn’t concern NIL. That also wasn’t a “social engineering” thing. The NCAA was plainly and obviously violating the Sherman Act, and the courts applied the law as it is written. That’s what the courts are supposed to do.

If people are unhappy with that, then the solution is simple. Ask Congress to give the NCAA an antitrust exemption like they have for professional sports. But the courts were doing exactly what they should be doing in the Alston case.
 
Like the government doesn’t have better shit to worry about and like the government would even know how to fix the mess of the NCAA.
 
Get the Government involved and right around the corner will be you have to pay female players at the same capacity, tax breaks will some how get incorporated, the LGBTQ stuff is on the mind of Gov't programs now-a-days, etc...

So let this move forward...players can pretty much guarantee they'll get less of proverbial pie than they get today.
 
Like the government doesn’t have better shit to worry about and like the government would even know how to fix the mess of the NCAA.
Then, how would you suggest to fix it? Again, I am no fan of the feds. Our federal government is corrupt. But someone has to address this. The courts have royally screwed it up, and corporations are pouring in more money to NIL by the hour. This will inevitably advantage the schools with the most access to corporate money, which will put corporations in charge of athletics and will position corporations to control the college education system. Disney already controls UCF lock, stock, and barrel. Disney is using UCF as a feeder system for their employment office, which indoctinates UCF students and keeps Disney's payroll costs way down. The pharmaceutical companies control several Power 5 schools including Duke and Stanford. Heck, the Chinese Communist Party controls Penn and several other Ivy League schools. Is this the right model for our college education system? Is this best for our younger generation and our country? The US Congress is an elected body. At the end of the day, it is the fault of voters that Congress has become screwed up. I don't want to convert our football board into a political discussion. But how can we criticize the Congress if we ourselves can't vote more intelligently on its membership? I'm afraid fixing our Congress is the preface to fixing all these novel wealth redistribution schemes. That means citizens have to get more economically literate and develop the courage to vote more responsibly. Apologies for waxing political this early in the day.
 
Then, how would you suggest to fix it? Again, I am no fan of the feds. Our federal government is corrupt. But someone has to address this. The courts have royally screwed it up, and corporations are pouring in more money to NIL by the hour. This will inevitably advantage the schools with the most access to corporate money, which will put corporations in charge of athletics and will position corporations to control the college education system. Disney already controls UCF lock, stock, and barrel. Disney is using UCF as a feeder system for their employment office, which indoctinates UCF students and keeps Disney's payroll costs way down. The pharmaceutical companies control several Power 5 schools including Duke and Stanford. Heck, the Chinese Communist Party controls Penn and several other Ivy League schools. Is this the right model for our college education system? Is this best for our younger generation and our country? The US Congress is an elected body. At the end of the day, it is the fault of voters that Congress has become screwed up. I don't want to convert our football board into a political discussion. But how can we criticize the Congress if we ourselves can't vote more intelligently on its membership? I'm afraid fixing our Congress is the preface to fixing all these novel wealth redistribution schemes. That means citizens have to get more economically literate and develop the courage to vote more responsibly. Apologies for waxing political this early in the day.
I have no idea man. It’s so screwed up now. I don’t claim to be smart enough to fix it. Lol
 
Then, how would you suggest to fix it? Again, I am no fan of the feds. Our federal government is corrupt. But someone has to address this. The courts have royally screwed it up, and corporations are pouring in more money to NIL by the hour. This will inevitably advantage the schools with the most access to corporate money, which will put corporations in charge of athletics and will position corporations to control the college education system. Disney already controls UCF lock, stock, and barrel. Disney is using UCF as a feeder system for their employment office, which indoctinates UCF students and keeps Disney's payroll costs way down. The pharmaceutical companies control several Power 5 schools including Duke and Stanford. Heck, the Chinese Communist Party controls Penn and several other Ivy League schools. Is this the right model for our college education system? Is this best for our younger generation and our country? The US Congress is an elected body. At the end of the day, it is the fault of voters that Congress has become screwed up. I don't want to convert our football board into a political discussion. But how can we criticize the Congress if we ourselves can't vote more intelligently on its membership? I'm afraid fixing our Congress is the preface to fixing all these novel wealth redistribution schemes. That means citizens have to get more economically literate and develop the courage to vote more responsibly. Apologies for waxing political this early in the day.
Unfortunately voting responsibly hasn't happened for a very, very, very long time! The media today is so biased - ALL media including PBS! We get whichever network you most closely align with's viewpoints - not facts. We don;t have the courage to lock up all the criminals in congress - and they oversee themselves. How many people do you know who make $200K from their jobs have as much money and live as well as they do - great examples. The Clinton's, the Obama's, Al Gore, Pelosi, McConnell, the Bush's, Biden, Schumer, Reid and on and on and on. Age limits and term limits both need to go into affect. We also need to actually follow the laws for insider trading, for taking gifts to federal officials. We need to outlaw outgoing elected officials from being lobbyist! But we don't have the courage to do any of it. Corruption in our political system has always been with us - its how we choose to do with it. But it is like the old saying, if you let the Fox guard the chicken house ............
 
The Tuberville/Manchin bill is so fundamentally flawed that you are better off doing nothing.

As to the involvement of courts, NIL is a product of state legislation and not court decisions, so I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make there.

If you’re referring to things like the Alston case, that was an antitrust issue and didn’t concern NIL. That also wasn’t a “social engineering” thing. The NCAA was plainly and obviously violating the Sherman Act, and the courts applied the law as it is written. That’s what the courts are supposed to do.

If people are unhappy with that, then the solution is simple. Ask Congress to give the NCAA an antitrust exemption like they have for professional sports. But the courts were doing exactly what they should be doing in the Alston case.
Tubbervile is a flawed man
 
I tend to agree. But here's the quetsion. Who will screw it up the least? The NCAA is totally defensive in this matter because they are being steered by civil court litigations.
I understand your question, who the heck knows? But one damn thing I’ll guarantee, bring our federal government in it, it will be a bigger mess than it was before! It just continues to be a complete clown shown based on politics. Doesn’t matter what is right or wrong, good or bad. It’s all about politics now. The NCAA crapped the bed… there is no way that the political machine that is can make anything better. I miss what used to be.
 
Unfortunately voting responsibly hasn't happened for a very, very, very long time! The media today is so biased - ALL media including PBS! We get whichever network you most closely align with's viewpoints - not facts. We don;t have the courage to lock up all the criminals in congress - and they oversee themselves. How many people do you know who make $200K from their jobs have as much money and live as well as they do - great examples. The Clinton's, the Obama's, Al Gore, Pelosi, McConnell, the Bush's, Biden, Schumer, Reid and on and on and on. Age limits and term limits both need to go into affect. We also need to actually follow the laws for insider trading, for taking gifts to federal officials. We need to outlaw outgoing elected officials from being lobbyist! But we don't have the courage to do any of it. Corruption in our political system has always been with us - its how we choose to do with it. But it is like the old saying, if you let the Fox guard the chicken house ............
Bush’s? They were rich before office. Oil. Texas. Look it up.
 
I understand your question, who the heck knows? But one damn thing I’ll guarantee, bring our federal government in it, it will be a bigger mess than it was before! It just continues to be a complete clown shown based on politics. Doesn’t matter what is right or wrong, good or bad. It’s all about politics now. The NCAA crapped the bed… there is no way that the political machine that is can make anything better. I miss what used to be.
The NCAA is totally reactive. After losing a couple of lawsuits, they are powerless to control NIL. NIL is now a "right" of athletes as define by the courts, and efforts to limit it constitute interference in athletes' right to earn. Some people get this, some don't. I am not suggesting which group you are in, but you seem situationally aware. No matter. The courts did it. The NCAA may be a mess, but activist courts are a bigger and much more dangerous mess.

I have already emphasized several times on this thread that I am no supporter of the federal government, to say the very least. I never trust politicians. Actually, I am an independent voter with no party affiliation for the last several decades. I have some advocacy responsibilities for our state professional organization. So I know some elected politicians but would not trust any of them.

So, thanks to civil court rulings, the NIL rules are already screwed up. They are what they are. Mark Stoops has been candid about this, and so has Saban. I am not suggesting anyone will fix this. Actually, I think wealth redistribution schemes are the shiny new penny for partisan politicians on the left, so a legislated fix for NIL is difficult to envision. But there is currently bipartisan interest in the Senate for fixing it. As pointed out earlier on this thread, the elements the Senate has been discussing are not ideal. But as I said before, I would rather have a Senate committee study it than have it batted around from activist judge to activist judge on the west coast. For now, it's probably going to be one or the other. We live in a complicated society with many opportunistic lobbying entities. It's dog eat dog. As you correctly observed, no right or wrong.
 
The NCAA is totally reactive. After losing a couple of lawsuits, they are powerless to control NIL. NIL is now a "right" of athletes as define by the courts, and efforts to limit it constitute interference in athletes' right to earn. Some people get this, some don't. I am not suggesting which group you are in, but you seem situationally aware. No matter. The courts did it. The NCAA may be a mess, but activist courts are a bigger and much more dangerous mess.

I have already emphasized several times on this thread that I am no supporter of the federal government, to say the very least. I never trust politicians. Actually, I am an independent voter with no party affiliation for the last several decades. I have some advocacy responsibilities for our state professional organization. So I know some elected politicians but would not trust any of them.

So, thanks to civil court rulings, the NIL rules are already screwed up. They are what they are. Mark Stoops has been candid about this, and so has Saban. I am not suggesting anyone will fix this. Actually, I think wealth redistribution schemes are the shiny new penny for partisan politicians on the left, so a legislated fix for NIL is difficult to envision. But there is currently bipartisan interest in the Senate for fixing it. As pointed out earlier on this thread, the elements the Senate has been discussing are not ideal. But as I said before, I would rather have a Senate committee study it than have it batted around from activist judge to activist judge on the west coast. For now, it's probably going to be one or the other. We live in a complicated society with many opportunistic lobbying entities. It's dog eat dog. As you correctly observed, no right or wrong.
Again, NIL has nothing to do with the courts.

NIL exists because state legislatures passed laws prohibiting the NCAA from enforcing amateurism requirements when it comes to NIL.

The challenge with formulating a response is that you’re dealing with a patchwork of different laws across states, and several states keep amending their laws to further restrict any efforts by the NCAA.

It has nothing to do with any court cases.
 
Simple fix for NIL is for the NCAA to step in and place a cap on how much you can earn. Have it go up for every year your in the NCAA. Say a Freshman can earn $100,000, and every year they stay it goes up $50,000. Adjust the numbers as you see fit. The whole thing was athletes bring in millions for the NCAA, but could not afford a pizza and a date. 100k is more than the vast majority of the population makes. So they won't be hurting, and it levels the playing field.
 
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Simple fix for NIL is for the NCAA to step in and place a cap on how much you can earn. Have it go up for every year your in the NCAA. Say a Freshman can earn $100,000, and every year they stay it goes up $50,000. Adjust the numbers as you see fit. The whole thing was athletes bring in millions for the NCAA, but could not afford a pizza and a date. 100k is more than the vast majority of the population makes. So they won't be hurting, and it levels the playing field.
Any attempt for the NCAA to significantly restrict NIL would first require the repeal of all of the state NIL laws.

As long as those laws are on the books, the NCAA is powerless to do anything.
 
Any attempt for the NCAA to significantly restrict NIL would first require the repeal of all of the state NIL laws.

As long as those laws are on the books, the NCAA is powerless to do anything.
NCAA can set whatever cap they want. Its up to the various colleges to abide by the rules set forth. Now this might accelerate the demise of the NCAA, because we have seen how well they police the current rules. But they are well within their rights to cap/limit the amount.
 
NCAA can set whatever cap they want. Its up to the various colleges to abide by the rules set forth. Now this might accelerate the demise of the NCAA, because we have seen how well they police the current rules. But they are well within their rights to cap/limit the amount.
No, they can’t. There are state laws that explicitly prohibit the NCAA from enforcing broad NIL restrictions.

In other words, what you are suggesting that the NCAA should do is now illegal in most states.
 
It has to be federal, if you have it at the state level you will have 50 different rules. Now how to put the cat back in the bag.......
 
The NCAA has no clue how to deal with NIL and doesn't have the nerve to do so even if they did. Let the Senate try it after they get thru with the UFO hearings
 
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Again, NIL has nothing to do with the courts.

NIL exists because state legislatures passed laws prohibiting the NCAA from enforcing amateurism requirements when it comes to NIL.

The challenge with formulating a response is that you’re dealing with a patchwork of different laws across states, and several states keep amending their laws to further restrict any efforts by the NCAA.

It has nothing to do with any court cases.
Directly but do you not believe Kavanaughs comments in Alston were clear and intentionallm warnings? It makes me wonder how athletes, and moreso revenue sport athletes, can be treated differently that regular students and non-revenue athletes.
 
Gonna be blunt. With the SHITSHOW going on in DC the LAST thing I want to hear is the senate has time to run college sports. Its like hiring Al Capone to run the new beer sales in the SEC. Senate do your fricking job and keep your nose out of where it doesnt belong.
 
Directly but do you not believe Kavanaughs comments in Alston were clear and intentionallm warnings? It makes me wonder how athletes, and moreso revenue sport athletes, can be treated differently that regular students and non-revenue athletes.
As far as NIL goes, the Supreme Court explicitly stated that the courts were allowing the NCAA to continue restricting payments to athletes from third parties.

Judge Wilkens made this clear in her initial ruling, and Gorsuch essentially affirmed this approach in the majority opinion. After the NCAA tried to argue that Alston would blow up amateurism, Gorsuch explicitly reminded them that Alston was a narrow ruling and that the NCAA could keep rules prohibiting money from companies, boosters, etc.

On page 32 of the majority opinion, Gorsuch included the following:

The district court enjoined only restrictions on education-related compensation or benefits “that may be available from conferences or schools.” Accordingly, as the student-athletes concede, the injunction “does not stop the NCAA from continuing to prohibit compensation from” sneaker companies, auto dealerships, boosters, “or anyone else.”

The courts were going to continue to permit NIL restrictions. It was the state legislatures that changed NIL, not the courts.
 
Can't wait to watch them mess this up too. Right about the time the nil market is about to naturally correct itself.
1. I agree here....things are starting to naturally correct as these crazy NIL numbers aren't being actually paid out, kids are seeing it, people that pay into NILs are seeing kids just up and leave at a moments notice and seeing how fickle putting up their own money is, etc... It's settling down as we speak.
2. The transfer portal is the other huge problem that needs to go back to the old rules and this has nothing to do with NIL directly nor congress is talking about. NCAA has no legal precedent prohibiting them from stopping the portal rules which would slow down a good portion of this NIL stupidity.

The thought that a bunch of politicians that just live to erode personal freedoms all over the place are going to be the ones that get in the way of this issue....it's absurd to imagine they'll be able to make a bad situation and make it good. It can get a lot worse (i.e. start forcing NIL to pay women sports the same as men). So I'd move far away from any Senator or Congressmen to get involved.
 
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Simple fix for NIL is for the NCAA to step in and place a cap on how much you can earn. Have it go up for every year your in the NCAA. Say a Freshman can earn $100,000, and every year they stay it goes up $50,000. Adjust the numbers as you see fit. The whole thing was athletes bring in millions for the NCAA, but could not afford a pizza and a date. 100k is more than the vast majority of the population makes. So they won't be hurting, and it levels the playing field.
Solid points! Many professional sports have salary caps
 
Simple fix for NIL is for the NCAA to step in and place a cap on how much you can earn. Have it go up for every year your in the NCAA. Say a Freshman can earn $100,000, and every year they stay it goes up $50,000. Adjust the numbers as you see fit. The whole thing was athletes bring in millions for the NCAA, but could not afford a pizza and a date. 100k is more than the vast majority of the population makes. So they won't be hurting, and it levels the playing field.
Why Cap at 100k? Why not 10k...why not 250k....why not 2.5M? Athletes were already getting stipends and even at that Supreme court ruled that athletes had right to the Name Image and Likeness...and no caps were ever mentioned. So why would I believe you put a cap on earnings won't go right back to supreme court?

Finally, the Shabbaz Nappier story that we went to be hungry because he could not get a job was partially debunked....he had access to food but if they don't have the grill open at midnight...not exactly starving as he exaggerated. And the thought that not only does college teams need to house, feed and clothe the athlete....but now picking up the tab for their dates. Link below is where all UK players got to pick gifts from bowl game...and many sent this to their families. Where does it end?

Having congress in this mess almost always turns this into a "if you vote for us...we'll get you stuff" fiasco of endless silliness.

Bowl game gifts for players
 
As far as NIL goes, the Supreme Court explicitly stated that the courts were allowing the NCAA to continue restricting payments to athletes from third parties.

Judge Wilkens made this clear in her initial ruling, and Gorsuch essentially affirmed this approach in the majority opinion. After the NCAA tried to argue that Alston would blow up amateurism, Gorsuch explicitly reminded them that Alston was a narrow ruling and that the NCAA could keep rules prohibiting money from companies, boosters, etc.

On page 32 of the majority opinion, Gorsuch included the following:

The district court enjoined only restrictions on education-related compensation or benefits “that may be available from conferences or schools.” Accordingly, as the student-athletes concede, the injunction “does not stop the NCAA from continuing to prohibit compensation from” sneaker companies, auto dealerships, boosters, “or anyone else.”

The courts were going to continue to permit NIL restrictions. It was the state legislatures that changed NIL, not the courts.
Good info, thanks. I do find that to be a curious position to take. At what point does an athlete own his own NIL and have the ability to use it the same same as any other college student. While Alston was a narrow decision, the spector of NIL was everywhere. Kavanaugh seemed to want to encourage the NCAA to move on its own rather than face an ugly defeat.

 
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Tuberville is one of the most incompetent people to ever be sent to Washington. That is saying a lot.
 
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Good info, thanks. I do find that to be a curious position to take. At what point does an athlete own his own NIL and have the ability to use it the same same as any other college student. While Alston was a narrow decision, the spector of NIL was everywhere. Kavanaugh seemed to want to encourage the NCAA to move on its own rather than face an ugly defeat.

I agree that Kavanaugh was clearly sending a warning to the NCAA, but it was a broader warning than just NIL.

I also agree that the spector of NIL was around, but that’s because of all of the legislative activity that was ongoing at the time. California’s NIL bill was first introduced in February of 2019. That’s before the District Court had even ruled on the Alston case, and almost 2.5 years before the Supreme Court’s decision. By the time California signed the bill into law that following September, a handful of other states were already racing to introduce their own NIL bills. NIL legislation had already spread like wildfire across several states when the Supreme Court issued their ruling.

And it’s the number of states that blew up any legal recourse the NCAA might’ve had against NIL bills, and not the Supreme Court’s decision in Alston. If California had been the only state to pass an NIL law, then the NCAA could’ve pursued a Commerce Clause challenge to that law. But once there were several other states drafting their own laws, that blew up that potential strategy.

As to your other point about the ability of a student to use their NIL rights, I don’t know what the Supreme Court would say if that issue came before them: There are clearly instances where courts and legislatures have said that someone’s rights may be curtailed (e.g., in some instances employers can restrict certain speech or restrict employees from working a second job).

I’m honestly not sure how the court would look at the specifics of a student athlete if there were to be a case focusing specifically on NIL. I only know for certain that there was some discussion about it during Alston, and the courts said that the NCAA could continue restricting NIL, at least from an antitrust point of view.
 
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Tuberville is one of the most incompetent people to ever be sent to Washington. That is saying a lot.
Disclosure. I have a cousin who lives in Dothan, and friends in Birmingham and Mobile. My wife has relatives in the Mobile area. What follows is a primer on AL culture, a background on Tuberville, and a description of forces that put him in the Senate.

Our country is deeply polarized. In Congressional testimony on the record, beginning back in the 1950s and continuing until the present, it has been disclosed as a consensus national intelligence finding that a primary goal of the former Soviet Union, Russia, and China has been to corrupt our system of public education and exert leftist influence over the education process for young people in the US. In this, they have been successful through Confucius Centers, financial donations to US universities, infiltration of US teaching faculties, influence over teachers unions, and direct financial influence over leftist federal politicians. Much of this money can be documented online through searches of donors to universities and political entities. Polls now show many US voters believe conservative thinkers like Tuberville are "incompetent".

To me, anyone who has been employed as a coach by Auburn must have accepted corruption that is endemic there. To what extent that influenced Tuberville, I cannot say. But Auburn is a corrupt institution, notwithstanding its top notch veterinary, pharmacy, and engineering departments. It is corrupt because the university has been under inordinate influence of several powerful families in the banking and construction businesses who have used their wealth to cheat. The corruption goes all the way to the top. These families run Auburn's Board. No president can be appointed at Auburn without approval of these families.

If you disagree with Tuberville's policy positions, then you will believe he is incompetent. If you agree with him, then he is a refreshing conservative voice. As the great Bill O'Reilly says, people believe what they want to believe.

I have been watching Tuberville's political career with interest. AL is experiencing a culture clash between urban voters in Birmingham, Montgomery, Huntsville, and Mobile versus the traditional rural and small southern town narrative. The state is extracating itself from decades of social polarization and financial struggles. Birmingham and Mobile are now modern US cities. Huntsville has been transformed by NASA.

Even Crimson Tide fans overwhelming support Tuberville. If you understand AL politics, that is remarkable. Traditionally, the AL Republican Party has been corrupt but the AL Democrat Party has been much worse. It is fair to say the AL Democrat Party is constituted by remnants of the KKK. Even today, Mardi Gras in southern AL is run by "secret societies" such as "mystics of time" and "knights of momus". These secret societies have evolved into clubs of men who do charitable work in the community and hold gala balls at Mardi Gras time. Inner workings of secret societies remain secret, and members take vows of secrecy. Breaking this vow remains a big deal. In reality, secret societies are remnants of the KKK and, later, so-called "blue dog Democrats" left over from the KKK.

History teaches that you must be an alcoholic to be elected to the Senate out of AL. In a 2018 special election, Democrat Doug Jones was elected to the Senate because his Republican opponent Roy Moore was involved in scandals. Moore was endorsed by Donald Trump, a kiss of death for Republican Senatorial candidates. Jones became the first Democrat Senator from AL since another drunk, Howell Heflin, in 1978. Jones campaigned as as "moderate" but became an errand boy for Chuck Schumer and Dick Durbin in the Senate. Meanwhile, Richard Shelby was one of the Senate's least effective and least liked members. If you meet Mr. Shelby, you will understand why. Shelby, another drunk, was a former Democrat who switched parties with George Wallace when Republican voters began to outnumber Democrats in AL. Shelby's poll numbers were dropping and Jones quickly became branded as a liar. AL voters finally became fed up. At their next opportunity, voters elected Republicans Tuberville and Katie Britt to the Senate. That is how Tuberville's political career began.

Tuberville is an old fashioned conservative. His "hold" (a Senate privilege exercised by members of both parties) on Biden military appointees suggests he has a political backbone. Tuberville is protesting the use of taxpayer money to fund abortions in the military. Like him or hate him, political courage is rare these days.

Tuberville is a Republican Senator who is not beholden to any Presidential candidate including Trump. As an independent voter, I find that interesting. I am not suggesting that I agree or disagree with his politics. I take that on an issue by issue basis. But we need more Senators who are not owned by the Chinese Communist Party and care about the value of American lives.

Whether Tuberville's ideas about NIL will work, IDK. But one way or another, I hope something useful can get done. As Mark Stoops has said, current NIL rules are unsustainable.
 
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Then, how would you suggest to fix it? Again, I am no fan of the feds. Our federal government is corrupt. But someone has to address this. The courts have royally screwed it up, and corporations are pouring in more money to NIL by the hour. This will inevitably advantage the schools with the most access to corporate money, which will put corporations in charge of athletics and will position corporations to control the college education system. Disney already controls UCF lock, stock, and barrel. Disney is using UCF as a feeder system for their employment office, which indoctinates UCF students and keeps Disney's payroll costs way down. The pharmaceutical companies control several Power 5 schools including Duke and Stanford. Heck, the Chinese Communist Party controls Penn and several other Ivy League schools. Is this the right model for our college education system? Is this best for our younger generation and our country? The US Congress is an elected body. At the end of the day, it is the fault of voters that Congress has become screwed up. I don't want to convert our football board into a political discussion. But how can we criticize the Congress if we ourselves can't vote more intelligently on its membership? I'm afraid fixing our Congress is the preface to fixing all these novel wealth redistribution schemes. That means citizens have to get more economically literate and develop the courage to vote more responsibly. Apologies for waxing political this early in the day.
Somebody needs to go outside.
 
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Disclosure. I have a cousin who lives in Dothan, and friends in Birmingham and Mobile. My wife has relatives in the Mobile area. What follows is a primer on AL culture, a background on Tuberville, and a description of forces that put him in the Senate.

Our country is deeply polarized. In Congressional testimony on the record, beginning back in the 1950s and continuing until the present, it has been disclosed as a consensus national intelligence finding that a primary goal of the former Soviet Union, Russia, and China has been to corrupt our system of public education and exert leftist influence over the education process for young people in the US. In this, they have been successful through Confucius Centers, financial donations to US universities, infiltration of US teaching faculties, influence over teachers unions, and direct financial influence over leftist federal politicians. Much of this money can be documented online through searches of donors to universities and political entities. Polls now show many US voters believe conservative thinkers like Tuberville are "incompetent".

To me, anyone who has been employed as a coach by Auburn must have accepted corruption that is endemic there. To what extent that influenced Tuberville, I cannot say. But Auburn is a corrupt institution, notwithstanding its top notch veterinary, pharmacy, and engineering departments. It is corrupt because the university has been under inordinate influence of several powerful families in the banking and construction businesses who have used their wealth to cheat. The corruption goes all the way to the top. These families run Auburn's Board. No president can be appointed at Auburn without approval of these families.

If you disagree with Tuberville's policy positions, then you will believe he is incompetent. If you agree with him, then he is a refreshing conservative voice. As the great Bill O'Reilly says, people believe what they want to believe.

I have been watching Tuberville's political career with interest. AL is experiencing a culture clash between urban voters in Birmingham, Montgomery, Huntsville, and Mobile versus the traditional rural and small southern town narrative. The state is extracating itself from decades of social polarization and financial struggles. Birmingham and Mobile are now modern US cities. Huntsville has been transformed by NASA.

Even Crimson Tide fans overwhelming support Tuberville. If you understand AL politics, that is remarkable. Traditionally, the AL Republican Party has been corrupt but the AL Democrat Party has been much worse. It is fair to say the AL Democrat Party is constituted by remnants of the KKK. Even today, Mardi Gras in southern AL is run by "secret societies" such as "mystics of time" and "knights of momus". These secret societies have evolved into clubs of men who do charitable work in the community and hold gala balls at Mardi Gras time. Inner workings of secret societies remain secret, and members take vows of secrecy. Breaking this vow remains a big deal. In reality, secret societies are remnants of the KKK and, later, so-called "blue dog Democrats" left over from the KKK.

History teaches that you must be an alcoholic to be elected to the Senate out of AL. In a 2018 special election, Democrat Doug Jones was elected to the Senate because his Republican opponent Roy Moore was involved in scandals. Moore was endorsed by Donald Trump, a kiss of death for Republican Senatorial candidates. Jones became the first Democrat Senator from AL since another drunk, Howell Heflin, in 1978. Jones campaigned as as "moderate" but became an errand boy for Chuck Schumer and Dick Durbin in the Senate. Meanwhile, Richard Shelby was one of the Senate's least effective and least liked members. If you meet Mr. Shelby, you will understand why. Shelby, another drunk, was a former Democrat who switched parties with George Wallace when Republican voters began to outnumber Democrats in AL. Shelby's poll numbers were dropping and Jones quickly became branded as a liar. AL voters finally became fed up. At their next opportunity, voters elected Republicans Tuberville and Katie Britt to the Senate. That is how Tuberville's political career began.

Tuberville is an old fashioned conservative. His "hold" (a Senate privilege exercised by members of both parties) on Biden military appointees suggests he has a political backbone. Tuberville is protesting the use of taxpayer money to fund abortions in the military. Like him or hate him, political courage is rare these days.

Tuberville is a Republican Senator who is not beholden to any Presidential candidate including Trump. As an independent voter, I find that interesting. I am not suggesting that I agree or disagree with his politics. I take that on an issue by issue basis. But we need more Senators who are not owned by the Chinese Communist Party and care about the value of American lives.

Whether Tuberville's ideas about NIL will work, IDK. But one way or another, I hope something useful can get done. As Mark Stoops has said, current NIL rules are unsustainable.
You have something in your mouth.
 
Thank god the senate, bless their angel nature, is willing to jump in on corruption. First things first though, boys … gonna need some clarification on exactly what they think is corrupt and why it doesn’t apply to them. Im sure they’ll have an answer.
 
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