Nick Saban on NIL

[megablue]

Nick Saban Says NIL Rules Creates System Where ‘You Can Basically Buy Players’

The Alabama coach says he is “all for” players getting money, but he does not think the current model is “sustainable.”

www.si.com

Here come Texas A&M, Texas, Ark and Auburn, with deep NIL $$$ pockets ...

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Nick Saban Says NIL Rules Creates System Where ‘You Can Basically Buy Players’

The Alabama coach says he is “all for” players getting money, but he does not think the current model is “sustainable.”

www.si.com

Here come Texas A&M, Texas, Ark and Auburn, with deep NIL $$$ pockets ...

Auburn is not in the same league as those other 3. Arkansas could put a hurting even on the Texas schools if all their people decided wanted NC in football. Looks like they are doing a little test with BB.

 

[K_TIME]

On one hand I agree with Saban…NIL is basically buying players and cheating out in the open. And it does create problems downstream….all of that I agree with

But on the other hand…Alabama was never allergic to buying players before this and yes that went on during Saban watch as well. All the pictures of Bama players and their tricked out SUVs and those dudes come from poverty but they show up in title town and it’s gold chain this and there. He’s got five star depth all over the place and year after year. So it get a bit old acting like he’s not had his hand in a similar cookie jar but he is concerned on the new model….sort Of hypocrite if you ask me

And finally…all the folks with the school and coach make all the money snd these poor kids are treated like slaves, etc. Well now you caved and here is the predictable other side of the decision. The players were never slaves and their intentions aren’t so innocent…isn’t that true?

 

[BlueRaider22]

And finally…all the folks with the school and coach make all the money snd these poor kids are treated like slaves, etc. Well now you caved and here is the predictable other side of the decision. The players were never slaves and their intentions aren’t so innocent…isn’t that true?

I don't understand why they opened up to $ as well. Players were already getting paid......just not in gobs of cash. But corporations making money off the workers is the world's system. Toyota makes crazy profits, but each worker makes only a miniscule portion of that.

 

[K_TIME]

I don't understand why they opened up to $ as well. Players were already getting paid......just not in gobs of cash. But corporations making money off the workers is the world's system. Toyota makes crazy profits, but each worker makes only a miniscule portion of that.

100%...

Players were getting stipends (i.e. $300 - 500 a month on top of free room, board, clothes and healthcare) . So now the kids were still not getting enough and we do this NIL stuff which is open door buying players. I work for a company that rakes in 700 million profit annually and they never feel bad for a second to not share more of it to thousands of workers....and we all deal with it or move on to a better gig if we can get it. It's called life.

 

[FltDoc]

Funny - awkward - surreal situation where some few athletes may make more $$ than their assistant or position coaches.... Maybe more than the head coach if they're lucky!

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

What is their scholarships worth, 30k+ tuition, all their meals another 10k, housing 8k, medical care5k up, pluse physical trainers, nutritionist, tutors another 20k, and their stipends. Comes close to 75-80k a year. That doesn't even include the opportunity to get an education to change their life. To me, that is enough for 20 hours a week. Millions of workers would gladly swap positions with them.

 

[BlueRaider22]

What is their scholarships worth, 30k+ tuition, all their meals another 10k, housing 8k, medical care5k up, pluse physical trainers, nutritionist, tutors another 20k, and their stipends. Comes close to 75-80k a year. That doesn't even include the opportunity to get an education to change their life. To me, that is enough for 20 hours a week. Millions of workers would gladly swap positions with them.

When I was an Athletic Trainer, we did the math. Back in the 90's......at a small D1 school that Middle Tennessee was at the time......it was about $90-100k/yr worth per athlete.

 

[Dddjdd]

Thought KSR’s article on Stoops take on NIL was interesting. Sounds like Stoops knows these other schools’ collectives are going to be a huge advantage and we don’t really have that infrastructure in place. I’m not sure we have a similar amount of money (for football) out there to go collect even with a collective set up. My fear has always been this will be a big advantage in basketball for us but a weakness in football vs other SEC teams.

 

[BlueRaider22]

Thought KSR’s article on Stoops take on NIL was interesting. Sounds like Stoops knows these other schools’ collectives are going to be a huge advantage and we don’t really have that infrastructure in place. I’m not sure we have a similar amount of money (for football) out there to go collect even with a collective set up. My fear has always been this will be a big advantage in basketball for us but a weakness in football vs other SEC teams.

What I wonder is just how much power we will have? Although we ALL want us to be able to compete with Bama in this regard......we don't have to. We just have to be competitive.

 

[Dddjdd]

What I wonder is just how much power we will have? Although we ALL want us to be able to compete with Bama in this regard......we don't have to. We just have to be competitive.

I agree but if we can’t compete in this regard with schools we’ve competed with in the division like Florida and Tennessee then it’s going to be a problem (if this continues unchecked.) Next time we’re recruiting against UT for someone like the Wade twins and UT can offer them $400k or something, it might turn out different. Not trying to be overly pessimistic just what I’m worried about.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

When I was an Athletic Trainer, we did the math. Back in the 90's......at a small D1 school that Middle Tennessee was at the time......it was about $90-100k/yr worth per athlete.

You would have a far better idea than me then, today it is probably 175-200k. I think that is reward enough. But unfortunately my opinion means about as much as my dog's on this subject.

 

[FanofUK]

One thing is for sure, teams that were at least attempting to play it straight (I want to believe us) are now on a more lvl playing field for those were doing whatever it took to get players (UT mcdonalds lol/Auburn/Bama etc).
While I do think the big market, bigger stadiums will have better NIL deals but there will be players that are not willing to wait and will transfer out of these places. No more having 2nd and 3rd string 4 and 5 stars will imo help.
I could be looking at it wrong who knows.

 

[3632]

He brings up some points I make on here a lot with this topic. You have the free agency all of the time without contracts and a term. So it's not even an NFL professional model. It's a disaster. And maybe the only way out is to go contracts and have a collective bargaining deal...which expedites the super conference model because only so many schools have the wherewithal to get into that level of game.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

One thing is for sure, teams that were at least attempting to play it straight (I want to believe us) are now on a more lvl playing field for those were doing whatever it took to get players (UT mcdonalds lol/Auburn/Bama etc).
While I do think the big market, bigger stadiums will have better NIL deals but there will be players that are not willing to wait and will transfer out of these places. No more having 2nd and 3rd string 4 and 5 stars will imo help.
I could be looking at it wrong who knows.

I guess I am a little different, I think everyone in conference was pretty much playing within the rules except Auburn and UT. Besides the word little brother is a pic of Auburn. It's a backup school for kids in multiple states, low academics and has Bama as an instate rival. UT just turned themselves in so no doubt about them being cheaters. Why would Bama have to cheat? They consistently in the playoff hunt every year, they have double digit kids drafted every year. UGA could win a NC and not go farther than an hour from campus, UF is in a state loaded with talent, so is ATM, UK gets almost all the kids in the Big10 area who want to play in the SEC.

 

[SaguaroCat]

When I was an Athletic Trainer, we did the math. Back in the 90's......at a small D1 school that Middle Tennessee was at the time......it was about $90-100k/yr worth per athlete.

I'm very concerned about the math department at middle Tennessee state.

Also, why do people think the costs that football program spends on players should be consider wages. Should a factory worker at Ford add in the cost of a fork lift into their salary because they don't have to drag a pallet to the shipping doc? The custodial service empties the trash, but that's not like a butler salary to factor in to income on tax day.

Nutritionist, trainers, doctors, tutors. That's not a benefit, that's the cost of doing college football business.

 

[BlueRaider22]

I'm very concerned about the math department at middle Tennessee state.

Also, why do people think the costs that football program spends on players should be consider wages. Should a factory worker at Ford add in the cost of a fork lift into their salary because they don't have to drag a pallet to the shipping doc? The custodial service empties the trash, but that's not like a butler salary to factor in to income on tax day.

Nutritionist, trainers, doctors, tutors. That's not a benefit, that's the cost of doing college football business.

By far, most employers do not do hardly any of this. In fact, much of the NFL relies more on the individual player to do/pay what needs to be done. Do you consider your employer paying a portion of your health insurance as part of your compensation? What about contributions to your retirement? A factory worker at Ford is given a fork to use on his job, but it's not his......he doesn't take it home with him. Food, housing, clothing, knowledge, etc, etc, etc are all given to the athlete as compensation.


As to the $ amount of compensation. It's very hard to determine. What we tried to rationalize is if the athlete was just a worker........how much would he/she have to make to afford these goods/services/fees?

-Tuition.....including Summers
-Books/materials
-Room/board
-Round the clock food......not just "3 meals" but round the clock food. And we're talking steak, crab legs, various fast food, snacks, etc. Depending on the team, you might eat at places like Ruth's Chris, Jeff Ruby's, etc.
-Daily or wkly access to a Nutritionist
-Round the clock tutoring......at all hours.....and I mean at all hours
-Round the clock health care.....100% covered, no questions asked. I've had to take athletes to the ER in the middle of the night for alcohol poisoning or falling off a balcony.
-Personal Trainer
-At least $1000 worth of clothing every year.
-Wk long trips to the Caribbean. I'm not going to factor in travel for games and such, b/c that's in the cost of business.......but extraneous fun trips are not.
-Per Diem cash on a regular basis
-Extremely regular "fun" trips. For example taking a part of the team bowling, paintball, go-car racing, zoos, theme parks, etc.
-And more.

 

[BigKat1988]

NIL will keep the blue bloods and the new bloods from hoarding talent. 4 yrs ago, Bama had top 100 kids willing to blue shirt to be part of them. Sure some kids will still go to some powerhouses on prestige alone but some studs will say “I can go to Bama or UGA and ride pine or at best be a rotational guy for 2-4 yrs and hope I have a really good junior or senior season or I can go elsewhere, start sooner and make money off of being a starter in that market. The hungrier and more invested a fanbase is, the better NIL will be. Even for the lesser known stars on a team.

 

[sieken]

NIL will keep the blue bloods and the new bloods from hoarding talent. 4 yrs ago, Bama had top 100 kids willing to blue shirt to be part of them. Sure some kids will still go to some powerhouses on prestige alone but some studs will say “I can go to Bama or UGA and ride pine or at best be a rotational guy for 2-4 yrs and hope I have a really good junior or senior season or I can go elsewhere, start sooner and make money off of being a starter in that market. The hungrier and more invested a fanbase is, the better NIL will be. Even for the lesser known stars on a team.

Dude< I can't help it, I try to just ignore you but..... Your whole tag line about NIL just reeks of desperation. You guys have tried everything to be relevant, now the NCAA (Supreme Court) threw you guys a bone. It's freaking hilarious.... Every time you post about NIL, visions of Lucy holding the football for Charlie Brown pop in my head.

 

[BigKat1988]

Dude< I can't help it, I try to just ignore you but..... Your whole tag line about NIL just reeks of desperation. You guys have tried everything to be relevant, now the NCAA (Supreme Court) threw you guys a bone. It's freaking hilarious.... Every time you post about NIL, visions of Lucy holding the football for Charlie Brown pop in my head.

Yeah. It’s not working for UT. You’re right. How was Baron in spring practice btw?

 

[sieken]

What worked? A qb that isn't even on campus. I promise Charley, I won't move it this time... Promise!

 

[BigKat1988]

What worked? A qb that isn't even on campus. I promise Charley, I won't move it this time... Promise!

This is the first full cycle NIL has been available. Just got a prediction for 5 star WR Carnell Tate as well. It kept Baron in Knoxville. It kept Hooker and Tillman here for another year. It’s been great.

 

[megablue]

Auburn is not in the same league as those other 3. Arkansas could put a hurting even on the Texas schools if all their people decided wanted NC in football. Looks like they are doing a little test with BB.

Tim Cook is an avid Auburn booster, to say the least.

 

[BigKat1988]

Tim Cook is an avid Auburn booster, to say the least.

Jimmy Raine as well. It’s not who your boosters are. It’s whether they’ll invest. The Waltons are 3rd or 4th generation wealthy. They’re not concerned near as much with Arkansas sports as their daddy and grandpas were.

 

[megablue]

Jimmy Raine as well. It’s not who your boosters are. It’s whether they’ll invest. The Waltons are 3rd or 4th generation wealthy. They’re not concerned near as much with Arkansas sports as their daddy and grandpas were.

Do you think our state will have the booster and fan NIL $$$ for KY to compete in BOTH major sports (if not even the minors, as well) with schools who have billionaire $upporter$ ?? There are going to be new kids on the block who have deep and fat wallets, imho.

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Meet the big-money boosters behind college football's top 25 teams

You know Nike's Phil Knight and Papa John Schnatter. But what about "Chainsaw Al" and the "Yella Fella"?

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Here is a recent piece on college athletic budgets ... can KY individual / corporate boosters and the overall fan base come up with ADDITIONAL money now essential to fund NIL requirements to compete for talent ??

These 25 athletic programs raked in the most revenue

Ranking the top 25 college athletic programs based on their revenue.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Ed323232]

What is their scholarships worth, 30k+ tuition, all their meals another 10k, housing 8k, medical care5k up, pluse physical trainers, nutritionist, tutors another 20k, and their stipends. Comes close to 75-80k a year. That doesn't even include the opportunity to get an education to change their life. To me, that is enough for 20 hours a week. Millions of workers would gladly swap positions with them

How much money do they bring to the university, to the town? Millions

 

[Myron Gaines]

Auburn is not in the same league as those other 3. Arkansas could put a hurting even on the Texas schools if all their people decided wanted NC in football. Looks like they are doing a little test with BB.

Those wally bucks?

 

[kb22stang]

nm

 

[kb22stang]

By far, most employers do not do hardly any of this. In fact, much of the NFL relies more on the individual player to do/pay what needs to be done. Do you consider your employer paying a portion of your health insurance as part of your compensation? What about contributions to your retirement? A factory worker at Ford is given a fork to use on his job, but it's not his......he doesn't take it home with him. Food, housing, clothing, knowledge, etc, etc, etc are all given to the athlete as compensation.


As to the $ amount of compensation. It's very hard to determine. What we tried to rationalize is if the athlete was just a worker........how much would he/she have to make to afford these goods/services/fees?

-Tuition.....including Summers
-Books/materials
-Room/board
-Round the clock food......not just "3 meals" but round the clock food. And we're talking steak, crab legs, various fast food, snacks, etc. Depending on the team, you might eat at places like Ruth's Chris, Jeff Ruby's, etc.
-Daily or wkly access to a Nutritionist
-Round the clock tutoring......at all hours.....and I mean at all hours
-Round the clock health care.....100% covered, no questions asked. I've had to take athletes to the ER in the middle of the night for alcohol poisoning or falling off a balcony.
-Personal Trainer
-At least $1000 worth of clothing every year.
-Wk long trips to the Caribbean. I'm not going to factor in travel for games and such, b/c that's in the cost of business.......but extraneous fun trips are not.
-Per Diem cash on a regular basis
-Extremely regular "fun" trips. For example taking a part of the team bowling, paintball, go-car racing, zoos, theme parks, etc.
-And more.

NONE of this matters, unless you're talking about completely changing our economic structure. We live is a society based on capitalism, which is exactly what the NIL is about. Who cares what millionaire Saban thinks, he said hurry offenses were destroying college football when couldn't beat those teams, he's more than biased.

The NIL allows players to market themselves to the highest bidder. There is nothing more American that concept. But now so many don't like capitalism, I wonder if it has to do with who would be making the money (since we obviously love capitalism)?

 

[kb22stang]

I guess I am a little different, I think everyone in conference was pretty much playing within the rules except Auburn and UT. Besides the word little brother is a pic of Auburn. It's a backup school for kids in multiple states, low academics and has Bama as an instate rival. UT just turned themselves in so no doubt about them being cheaters. Why would Bama have to cheat? They consistently in the playoff hunt every year, they have double digit kids drafted every year. UGA could win a NC and not go farther than an hour from campus, UF is in a state loaded with talent, so is ATM, UK gets almost all the kids in the Big10 area who want to play in the SEC.

No offense, but that's pretty pie in the sky

Meet the bag man: 10 rules for paying college players

How to buy college football players, in the words of men who deliver the money.

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[yoshukai]

On one hand I agree with Saban…NIL is basically buying players and cheating out in the open. And it does create problems downstream….all of that I agree with

But on the other hand…Alabama was never allergic to buying players before this and yes that went on during Saban watch as well. All the pictures of Bama players and their tricked out SUVs and those dudes come from poverty but they show up in title town and it’s gold chain this and there. He’s got five star depth all over the place and year after year. So it get a bit old acting like he’s not had his hand in a similar cookie jar but he is concerned on the new model….sort Of hypocrite if you ask me

And finally…all the folks with the school and coach make all the money snd these poor kids are treated like slaves, etc. Well now you caved and here is the predictable other side of the decision. The players were never slaves and their intentions aren’t so innocent…isn’t that true?

Yep . Kinda looks like Saban thinks a level playing field might take away an advantage. I know Jedrick Willis drove one of the sharpest Escalades I’ve ever seen the whole time he was at Bama .

 

[yoshukai]

I guess I am a little different, I think everyone in conference was pretty much playing within the rules except Auburn and UT. Besides the word little brother is a pic of Auburn. It's a backup school for kids in multiple states, low academics and has Bama as an instate rival. UT just turned themselves in so no doubt about them being cheaters. Why would Bama have to cheat? They consistently in the playoff hunt every year, they have double digit kids drafted every year. UGA could win a NC and not go farther than an hour from campus, UF is in a state loaded with talent, so is ATM, UK gets almost all the kids in the Big10 area who want to play in the SEC.

All I know is, Jedrick Willis drove around town in a tricked out Escalade the whole time he was at Bama . The rims on it probably cost more than my truck .

 

[K_TIME]

All I know is, Jedrick Willis drove around town in a tricked out Escalade the whole time he was at Bama . The rims on it probably cost more than my truck .

I'm glad you posted this. I don't know Jedrick at all but I know of dudes at Bama that came from utter poverty on a huge level and yet they ride around in all kinds of SUVs, gold chains to the hill and their family has stuff as well magically. And in the past it was always this BS story. It's in his uncle's name (but those magical uncles never helped them in high school) or it was a loan of some kind (as if banks magically start making loans to poor people with no current income stream).

This is my problem with all that Saban spouts off...and nobody dares check him with what has gone on in his program for a long time but now it's a problem when all schools can do it out in open in this NIL deal. To be honest, NIL is dirty but so was the world we just were in before NIL. NCAA just punishes whom they choose and ignore those whom they choose to....which is why i struggle to hammer on Auburn/Tenn as dirty but we act like UGA, Florida, Bama, LSU are clean as a whistle (and I can't stand Tennessee).

 

[dmacforheisman]

Jimmy Raine as well. It’s not who your boosters are. It’s whether they’ll invest. The Waltons are 3rd or 4th generation wealthy. They’re not concerned near as much with Arkansas sports as their daddy and grandpas were.

Yeah every time Arkansas gets a recruit now Walmart is mentioned but the current Waltons only care about art and bike trails so there hasn't even been a Walmart NIL deal rumored yet. The JB Hunt Transport family has been active in NIL for Razorback sports though. Not sure if Tyson will get involved or not. I'd say it's more likely it will be mostly small businesses and car dealerships.