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NEW KSR artivle on BARKER and TOWLES.

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Very interesting stats on 4 AND 5 star recruits that dont win job and end up transfering. I really hope Barker sticks around but the stats posted on situation he is in doesn't look good. I really hope he stays and takes the over his JR and Sr year cause we will be really loaded when its time for him to take the reigns.
 
My Crystal Ball says the following:[smoke]
Towles puts up HUGE numbers this season (remember last season he got some true hype thru the Miss St game before faltering)- with his size and arm becomes on of the top 5 QB on board for Draft and with him on schedule to graduate - Leaves early and Boom - Barker is next up with a path to follow that would lean towards his ability to do the same
 
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Nothing wrong with paying your dues and being a starter for your Junior and Senior years. Also injuries happen, Drew will get an opportunity to play. Coach Stoops has said that Drew has earned the right to get some game reps (not just at mop up time). Lastly Drew is a Kentucky kid, I think playing at UK means a lot to him. I wonder how many of those QB transfers were home state players.
 
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My Crystal Ball says the following:[smoke]
Towles puts up HUGE numbers this season (remember last season he got some true hype thru the Miss St game before faltering)- with his size and arm becomes on of the top 5 QB on board for Draft and with him on schedule to graduate - Leaves early and Boom - Barker is next up with a path to follow that would lean towards his ability to do the same

I think he leaves early too. I think he'll have a 22 TD, 9 INT-type season, and be projected for the 3rd-6th rounds. That'd be, at worst, $2.5 million over four years. Why come back if you could lose your job the following season, or at least be on a very tight leash?

Go on, take the money and run.
 
There is nothing for Drew to gain by transferring. For one thing it's not a foregone conclusion that Towles completes the season as starter. Second if Drew does leave where does he go? Unless he steps down to somewhere like Eastern he will have to wait at least 1 year beginning at the end of this year. That one year would be the year he would be waiting anyway for Towles to graduate. So best case scenario for him if he leaves is that he wins a starting job somewhere else 2 years from now. He's probably going to get this starting job in that time frame anyway so why leave? Also he would have to win the job at his new destination which may or may not happen either. Drew is better off staying where he is. At least here he's ahead of the competition to replace Towles.
 
Unless Towles is a 1st round pick, which could possibly happen with the players he has around him now, he stays another year without a doubt.
 
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The first thing I noticed about that article is that it was by Bryan the Intern, then I realized that Bryan the Intern is a moron. I wish he would get a real job somewhere and quit shatting on KSR's blog, but obviously no one wants to hire someone with such pathetic takes.
 
It seems most of the people with knowledge are saying PattyIce has a great chance to go pro after this season. If he keeps up his passing efficiency and produces like everyone thinks he will. With that situation, it is perfect for Barker to wait and learn from one of the best this season and take over next season.

Again, how does the SEC write up not have Pat ranked in the top 2 QBs? That is BS!!!!!
 
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IMO Barker would be very foolish to transfer. If he transfers he must sit out a year and he has already redshirted so that leaves him only two year to play two. He would also have to start all over and then earn a starting job at his new school. If he stays at UK he will also have two to play two and the inside track for the job his final two years. He also has the possibility of playing at UK this season if Towles is either injured or falters and Stoops has stated that he will get him some playing time this season. IMO staying at UK is the win situation for him. At UK he also gets to play that two years with some very good players he helped recruit their final two years.

I hope the kid doesn't make a jerk reaction move that he would IMO regret later. Heck at most schools QBs don't get to start much more than two years.

IMO Barker does not intend to transfer because the time to transfer would have been when he lost the competition last year if he intended to transfer.
 
I think he leaves early too. I think he'll have a 22 TD, 9 INT-type season, and be projected for the 3rd-6th rounds. That'd be, at worst, $2.5 million over four years. Why come back if you could lose your job the following season, or at least be on a very tight leash?

Go on, take the money and run.
I see more of a 30 TD and 9-11 Int season with 3500 + yards (gleened that yardage one from hefty lefty)

We will better our Red Zone this season and that only helps him.....Too many playmakers on the edges to keep us out of Endzone....
 
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Very interesting stats on 4 AND 5 star recruits that dont win job and end up transfering. I really hope Barker sticks around but the stats posted on situation he is in doesn't look good. I really hope he stays and takes the over his JR and Sr year cause we will be really loaded when its time for him to take the reigns.

Barker is almost guaranteed two full years as a starter, maybe three of Towles goes out early, plus some mop up work this year. If he transferred to any decent program he would be competing against whoever else they had with no guarantee. I don't see it as a desirable option myself especially with his strong ties to the program including a lot of his team mates that he helped recruit.
 
I hope Towles doesn't go pro. I think the year after this we should be VERY loaded. Would want a 3 year starter leading that team. If Towles stayed, and we are as good as I expect, he could actually have a shot at competing for the Heisman if he played well.
 
I don't know what the KSR article says but I suppose it makes the profound observation that some good (i.e., highly rated) QBs transfer almost every year. But it is wayyyy to early to even hint at the possibility of a Barker transfer.

#1, you have to at least see how this year plays out. Still many variables. An injury or either subpar or superior play by Towles dramatically alters the QB landscape.

#2, At worst, Barker is currently position to be the guy in 2017 and 2018. That is not a gosh awful position to be in.

JMO

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typical BTI act, throw a pile if stinking ish against the wall and sit back satisfied at all the comments it generates. never mind that 99% of the comments are "wow you are a complete moron and suck".
 
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So Barker is the backup this year and plays a little...transfers out after season, sits out a year (2016) to become starter in 2017.

Barker is the backup this year and plays a little...Barker competes again for the starting position and plays a little (2016)...Barker takes over as starting QB in 2017.

There is no reason whatsoever that a transfer from Barker would make sense. He will stick around and compete.
 
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The article never says or predicts he will transfer...and only 7/22 transferred that he listed in his time period. That means 2/3 did not. It's interesting stats, but as always this type of thing is a case by case basis. Barker is going to start in 2017 regardless if it is here or elsewhere...why would he leave just to sit out a year? Makes no sense in this case IMO.
 
Very interesting stats on 4 AND 5 star recruits that dont win job and end up transfering. I really hope Barker sticks around but the stats posted on situation he is in doesn't look good. I really hope he stays and takes the over his JR and Sr year cause we will be really loaded when its time for him to take the reigns.

If he's going to transfer, he should do it now, and he shouldn't. If he transfers after this season, he sits out a year and might get to start the year after. If he stays, he is the backup next year, and will almost certainly start the year after.
 
The way he got the 2014 class to stick together there is absolutely no way that Barker would transfer. This kid has much more loyalty than that. All it takes is for Towles to get hit hard in the head or twist an ankle and suddenly Barker has to be the man for a series or a game. He is going to stick with and will be the man by the time his time to shine is here.
 
I don't see Barker leaving. He is in a perfect situation at UK.

100% concur! But one can never anticipate the full affect of friends and family on a young man. In many cases (not all) these friends and family use their relationships to camiefloge their own selfish motivations. Just saying....
 
I don't see Barker leaving unless he gets beat out by Hoak in a couple years. Which is very possible.
 
BTI is a stats and numbers person. He's like the KSR rain man.You shouldn't read any more into it than that. He just presents stats.

Also in the grand tradition of KSR light hearted mockery "BTI SUCKS!"
 
This sounds like the talk from Jason Anderson's show last night. As if UK fans cannot just be happy they have a starter who is performing at a high level, as Stoops has said, but we need to be afraid the RS frosh backup is going to transfer? No. I am not going to look at everything through the fearful negative lens.
 
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There is nothing for Drew to gain by transferring. For one thing it's not a foregone conclusion that Towles completes the season as starter. Second if Drew does leave where does he go? Unless he steps down to somewhere like Eastern he will have to wait at least 1 year beginning at the end of this year. That one year would be the year he would be waiting anyway for Towles to graduate. So best case scenario for him if he leaves is that he wins a starting job somewhere else 2 years from now. He's probably going to get this starting job in that time frame anyway so why leave? Also he would have to win the job at his new destination which may or may not happen either. Drew is better off staying where he is. At least here he's ahead of the competition to replace Towles.

Under the new rule, he would not lose a year of eligibility. So, it would actually give him another RS season that he cannot get staying at UK.
 
Being a Kentucky boy that recruited a lot of the four stars that will be here when he graduates to first team I think he will be here to reap his reward. I think he will thoroughly enjoy UK having a greatly improved team the next two years whether he or Towles is the starter, and he is likely to play a part in that success the next two years and be the main man the two years after-----with a GREAT supporting cast that he had a large part in bringing in.

He was not just a four star but a 5.9 four star, and he seems to be doing well on the field, just lacks the game time experience. If he is good enough he can start next year, if not he might have a very tough time beating out the competition at another team that will be close to the level that UK is expected to be at in a couple of years, the OL commits alone should have him salivating for his turn.

And there is nothing like being a home state hero, known and loved throughout the state. Ask Tim.
 
The "article", or, to be more precise, blog post, is garbage.

It begins with a stupid assumption; that, because other quarterbacks in Barker's position transferred, then Barker is also likely to transfer. That's stupid because Barker's choices are not dependent on what other choices were made by other quarterbacks. But only is the premise stupid, the actual comparisons are apples to oranges.

First, it does not matter whether Barker is going to be in his fourth year when Towles presumably leaves the program. What matters is that Barker will be a junior with two full years of eligibility when that happens. So, the blogger/intern gets off to a bad start when he limits his compared players to fourth year players; it should also include third year juniors. An incoming junior has two years to play, whether he's a fourth year player who redshirted or a third year player who did not. Jeremy Johnson waited two years to have a chance to start; he is a junior; he did not transfer. Barker will be in that same position in 2017; so, if the blogger was unable to find a recent guy who stuck around and didn't transfer, Johnson is the example. That he's a third year player instead of a fourth year player is irrelevant; he has two years of playing time as a starter, just like Barker will.

Second, every single player who transferred was in a much different (and worse) position than Barker.

Phillip Sims was stuck behind AJ McCarron. Since McCarron, who came to Alabama one year before Sims, redshirted, that meant that Sims, if unable to beat out McCarron, was going to get one year to play as a starter- if he could stave off Blake Sims, from the same class, and every hot prospect to follow. Phillip Sims had a lot more reason than Barker to want to transfer.

Kiehl Frazier was stuck behind Cam Newton only for a year. He failed to pan out and left when he couldn't seize an open job.

Jacoby Brissett was in the same class as Driskel. He wasn't in a situation where he could patiently wait for Driskel to graduate, and then start for two years. He didn't have Barker's luxury of being the heir apparent for two years. As it turned out, he might have ended up jumping Driskel anyway, but at the time, nobody expected Driskel to regress and so transferring was probably the best option.

Christian Lemay is probably the closest comparison to Barker, in that he would have had a path to start going into his junior year, but he apparently wasn't as good as expected, and Hutson Mason or someone else might have beaten him after Murray left, so Lemay had reason to look elsewhere .

In the case of the LSU quarterback, they take at least one stud every year at quarterback, and they also got Mettenberger as a transfer. Randall was in a logjam, was guaranteed of nothing if he stayed around.

Peterman got brief chances at Tennessee, but never panned out. When he jumped by a guy who came after him in Dobbs, the writing was on the wall.

Same with Kenny Hill. Jumped by a true freshman and with Kyler Murray the next hot prospect in line. Hill could transfer or spend the rest of his A and M career watching Allen and/or Murray.

None of these guys were anything close to clear cut heir apparent that Barker is, and every single one of them had much better reasons to get out of Dodge than Barker does. The closest comparison to Barker is Jeremy Johnson, who starts this year for Auburn.
 
I don't understand the premise. There is a serious lack of depth at QB. It's not like there is anybody behind him that he thinks would leapfrog him. He is nearly assured playing time and a starting spot in the future. Leaving would mean sitting a year which, in all likelihood, is how long he'll have to wait to get the starting job at UK.
 
The "article", or, to be more precise, blog post, is garbage.

It begins with a stupid assumption; that, because other quarterbacks in Barker's position transferred, then Barker is also likely to transfer. That's stupid because Barker's choices are not dependent on what other choices were made by other quarterbacks. But only is the premise stupid, the actual comparisons are apples to oranges.

First, it does not matter whether Barker is going to be in his fourth year when Towles presumably leaves the program. What matters is that Barker will be a junior with two full years of eligibility when that happens. So, the blogger/intern gets off to a bad start when he limits his compared players to fourth year players; it should also include third year juniors. An incoming junior has two years to play, whether he's a fourth year player who redshirted or a third year player who did not. Jeremy Johnson waited two years to have a chance to start; he is a junior; he did not transfer. Barker will be in that same position in 2017; so, if the blogger was unable to find a recent guy who stuck around and didn't transfer, Johnson is the example. That he's a third year player instead of a fourth year player is irrelevant; he has two years of playing time as a starter, just like Barker will.

Second, every single player who transferred was in a much different (and worse) position than Barker.

Phillip Sims was stuck behind AJ McCarron. Since McCarron, who came to Alabama one year before Sims, redshirted, that meant that Sims, if unable to beat out McCarron, was going to get one year to play as a starter- if he could stave off Blake Sims, from the same class, and every hot prospect to follow. Phillip Sims had a lot more reason than Barker to want to transfer.

Kiehl Frazier was stuck behind Cam Newton only for a year. He failed to pan out and left when he couldn't seize an open job.

Jacoby Brissett was in the same class as Driskel. He wasn't in a situation where he could patiently wait for Driskel to graduate, and then start for two years. He didn't have Barker's luxury of being the heir apparent for two years. As it turned out, he might have ended up jumping Driskel anyway, but at the time, nobody expected Driskel to regress and so transferring was probably the best option.

Christian Lemay is probably the closest comparison to Barker, in that he would have had a path to start going into his junior year, but he apparently wasn't as good as expected, and Hutson Mason or someone else might have beaten him after Murray left, so Lemay had reason to look elsewhere .

In the case of the LSU quarterback, they take at least one stud every year at quarterback, and they also got Mettenberger as a transfer. Randall was in a logjam, was guaranteed of nothing if he stayed around.

Peterman got brief chances at Tennessee, but never panned out. When he jumped by a guy who came after him in Dobbs, the writing was on the wall.

Same with Kenny Hill. Jumped by a true freshman and with Kyler Murray the next hot prospect in line. Hill could transfer or spend the rest of his A and M career watching Allen and/or Murray.

None of these guys were anything close to clear cut heir apparent that Barker is, and every single one of them had much better reasons to get out of Dodge than Barker does. The closest comparison to Barker is Jeremy Johnson, who starts this year for Auburn.

Good points. In the case of Peterman at Tennessee he was never going to be the starter. He was destined to be the backup, Dobbs was always planned to be the starter this season. He was more afraid that with all the new QBs coming in, that he would lose his position as backup.
 
And I hate to bring it up but last year doesn't happen (no injuries) a lot here. Backups are just one play away from starting.
 
This response seems to be what the Louisville radio market is running with. Towles was picked, but what now for Barker.
 
Good. Towles will be a senior and Barker a sophomore when Hoak is RSing. Then Hoak will have two years behind Barker and can conceivably taken over as a RS junior.
 
Good. Towles will be a senior and Barker a sophomore when Hoak is RSing. Then Hoak will have two years behind Barker and can conceivably taken over as a RS junior.
I really like Towles and hope it all goes well, the thing that I think is holding him back is his always sticking to the play even when it is broke down beyond working. I feel like he shows to much from the beging of the play, everyone on D has a feel for whats happening by just watching his motions and if the play breaks down then it literaly breaks down. I would like to see a little more off the cuff from him. what I mean by that is that when the play breaks down for him to be able to go out and make something happen.
 
I'm very high on Hoak...but Barker has been tearing up fall camp this year...he will take over after Towles.

I hope Barker is good enough to take over after Towles leaves, but Hoak will definitely push him.
 
There is no way Towles goes pro after this season IMO.

It doesn't matter if Towles still starts next season. Barker is still in a perfect position to take over as a junior with plenty of playing time and experience under his belt. He's in a great position.
 
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