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NBA Draft Round 2 GoBigBlue712 vs. JHannibalSmith

Who will win the most titles in 7 years?


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Welcome players to the NBA Rupp Rafters Playoffs!!!

The goal was to see which team could win the most championships in 7 years.

Voters please review each team roster and their arguments and vote for the team you think best accomplished the objective. You will be allowed to change your vote. This round of voting is for 2 days.

@GoBigBlue712 - Karl-Anthony Towns, De’Aaron Fox, Zach LaVine, Khris Middleton, Julius Randle, Danilo Gallinari, Collin Sexton, Aaron Gordon, Brook Lopez, Gary Harris, Tristan Thompson, Kira Lewis Jr.

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@JHannibalSmith - Kawhi Leonard, Pascal Siakam. Jaylen Brown, Domantas Sabonis, Jrue Holiday, Gordon Hayward, Clint Capela, Davis Bertans, Evan Fournier, Thomas Bryant, Coby White, Luke Kennard
 
Starters:
PG: De’Aaron Fox-21.1 PPG, 3.8 RPG, 6.8 APG
SG: Zach LaVine-25.5 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 4.2 APG
SF: Khris Middleton-20.9 PPG, 6.2 RPG, 4.3 APG
PF: Julius Randle-19.5 PPG, 9.7 RPG, 3.1 APG
C: Karl-Anthony Towns-26.5 PPG, 10.8 RPG, 4.4 APG

Bench
G-Collin Sexton-20.8 PPG, 3.1 RPG, 3.0 APG
F-Danilo Gallinari-18.7 PPG, 5.2 RPG, 1.9 APG
F-Aaron Gordon-14.4 PPG, 7.7 RPG, 3.7 APG
C-Brook Lopez-12.0 PPG, 4.6 RPG, 1.5 APG
G-Gary Harris-10.4 PPG, 2.9 RPG, 2.1 APG
F/C-Tristan Thompson-12.0 PPG, 10.1 RPG, 2.1 APG
G-Kira Lewis Jr.-18.5 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 5.2 APG
 
I, of course, believe that my team would win more championships in the next seven years than my opponent’s team. For starters, I had four top-25 scorers last season, which does not include Karl-Anthony Towns, who would have been top ten if not for limited playing time. I have two top fifteen rebounders in Julius Randle and Tristan Thompson. Aaron Gordon is also top 25 in RPG. De’Aaron Fox is top 15 in terms of assisting, and will be much higher with a competent shooting team like mine.

De’Aaron Fox is going to be a top five point guard in a couple of years. He can blow by just about anyone, and he has improved his defense mightily since his years at UK. Admittingly, Fox is not the best long-range shooter, but with guys like LaVine, Galinari, etc, he does not have to shoot many threes on my team.

Zach Lavine is only 24 years old, yet he is already a renowned scorer. LaVine is versatile, quick, and an excellent playmaker. He can easily generate his own shot, or benefit from good assists from the likes of Fox and others. LaVine has a decent three point shot, and would receive more open looks from deep on my team with a top-15 3-point shooter in Middleton also on the floor.

There are times where Khris Middleton, not Giannis, has looked like the Bucks best player, especially when the pressure is on during the playoffs. Khris has steadily improved throughout his career, and has been recognized with back-to-back all star selections. Middleton is probably the league’s most versatile small forward not named LeBron, which will help him get open in my offense. Middleton is a plus rebounder, a dangerous shooter, and a solid defender.

Julius Randle is one of the league’s best rebounders, and will be for the duration of this seven year stretch. As he showed at Kentucky, Randle can often drop double-doubles. If needed, Randle can shift to the center position, which he has played well at in the past. With a good team built around him (not the Knicks), he is capable of being a true star.

Karl-Anthony Towns is the best player on my team. The former Kentucky Wildcat is perhaps the league’s best offensive center. Very few big men can shoot like Towns, especially from behind the arc. Towns’ PPG numbers have improved almost every year during his career, and at only 24, he could easily be a 30-35 point scorer for the next seven years. Towns’ rebounding ability pairs well with Randle, as KAT frequently put up double-digit rebounds last season.

Collin Sexton is essentially a lesser De’Aaron Fox, meaning my team’s setup would not have to change much with Sexton in the game. Sexton is speedy and an effective finisher. Much like with Fox, Sexton would likely benefit from having a good team built around him. Sexton is likely to improve over the next few seasons, and he’s already a 20 point scorer. Sexton’s shooting ability could use some work, but it is certainly not bad. He has also shown the ability to be a serviceable defender.

You would be hard-pressed to find a better 6th man than Danilo Gallinari. Similar to Middleton, Gallinari is one of the most versatile players in the league, and there are few forwards that can shoot the three like Gallinari. He is also a sufficient rebounder, further bolstering my already impressive core of rebounders. Gallinari limits turnovers and forces quite a few on the defensive end, which is a good aspect to have in your game.

Aaron Gordon is a similar player to Julius Randle. Gordon is a phenomenal rebounder and a solid scorer. Aaron Gordon is capable of hitting threes if needed. Gordon can generate his own shot. Gordon has shown signs of improvement in the last couple of seasons, and it is likely that the best of him has yet to come. Gordon is a lockdown defefender who has helped contain some of the league’s best offensive players. Gordon’s outstanding dunking ability is a major boost for my team’s momentum.

Brook Lopez is a fantastic glue guy. He contributes double-digits in most games, and does not shy away from contact, which adds a level of toughness to my squad. Lopez’s best attribute is his defense. He has been a prime DPOY candidate in the last couple of years, losing only to studs like Giannis and Gobert. Lopez is an exceptional shot blocker, which gives my team needed defensive support under the basket.

Gary Harris is another great glue guy. His Nuggets teammates, including star Nikola Jokic, have complimented him as the guy that holds their team together. On my team, Gary Harris will bring a spark, and a decent amount of statistical production. Harris consistently averages double-digit points, and has shown flashes of averaging 15-20 PPG. Harris is a competent shooter, and would benefit from having a good passer in Fox. Harris plays elite defense as well.

Tristan Thompson is about the 11th option on my team, but he is far from insignificant. Thompson averaged a double-double last season. Thompson is versatile, as he can play both the power forward and center positions. Thompson is tremendously athletic, as he can shoot well with both his left and right hands. Thompson is a plus defender, and has had past success in guarding the NBA’s best scoring big man, such as Jokic and Giannis.

Kira Lewis Jr. has the potential to be a superstar, but my team does not need him to do that. Lewis has earned high marks from scouts for his quickness and ball-handling skills, and he is a phenomenal playmaker. Lewis improved his shooting during his sophomore year at Alabama, and he is now an efficient shooter from three. Lewis is no stranger to performing under pressure, as he played well against our Kentucky Wildcats.
 
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STARTERS

PG Jrue Holiday (30) 6-3; 19 pts, 5 reb, 7 assists, 2 steals, 1 blk; 35% 3pt
SG Jaylen Brown (23) 6-6; 20 pts, 6 reb, 2 assists, 1 steal; 38% 3pt
SF Kawhi Leonard (29) 6-7; 27 pts, 7 reb, 5 assists, 2 steals, 1 blk; 47/38/89
PF Pascal Siakam (26) 6-9; 23 pts, 7 reb, 4 assists, 1 steal, 1 blk; 45/36/79
C Domantas Sabonis (24) 6-11; 19 pts, 12 reb, 5 assists, 1 steal, 1 blk

BENCH

PG Coby White (20) 6-4; 13 pts, 4 reb, 3 assists, 1 steal; 35% 3pt
SG Evan Fournier (28) 6-7; 19 pt, 3 reb, 3 assists, 1 steal; 47/40/82
SF Gordon Hayward (30) 6-7; 18 pts, 7 reb, 4 assists, 1 steal; 50/38/86
PF Davis Bertans (27) 6-10; 15 pts, 5 reb, 2 assists, 1 steal, 1 blk; 43/42/85
C Clint Capela (26) 6-10; 14 pts, 14 reb, 1 assist, 1 steal l, 2 blk; 63% FG
SG Luke Kennard (25) 6-5; 16 pts, 4 reb, 4 assists; 44/40/89
F/C Thomas Bryant (23) 6-10; 13 pts, 7 reb, 2 assists, 1 steal, 1 blk; 58/41/74

As I said before my team’s strengths are efficiency & versatility on both ends & a defense with potential to be dominant without sacrificing offense & the possibility of playing a lockdown defender at each position. Everyone can play at least 2 positions & with such a wide variety of skills I can matchup well with any style or lineup.

There are guys at every position who have the ability to facilitate with 6 averaging at least 4 assists per game. Ball movement should be amazing. I also have elite shooting at every position with 7 guys shooting at least 38% from 3, 4 of them at 40+%. I have solid size everywhere & can go big, small or positionless. This team could excel whether running or in a half court game. IMO, the ages of my players is ideal as everyone is between 23-30 other than 20 year old Coby White. I will get the majority of every player’s prime years & for about half the team I will get every year they play in their prime. Most are younger but still have established themselves as good players, giving me a good idea of what I’ll have.

This also means that my team dynamic won’t change much over the 7 years. I’ll get 4-5 more elite seasons from Kawhi & he & Siakam will swap roles as he starts his decline. But, he’ll still be playing at a high level & will be the ultimate complement to Siakam, Brown & Sabonis. I also think White & Holiday will swap their roles around the same time. But, my leaders & best players will remain the same throughout the majority of the 7 year window.

I’m confident in my bench players to step in when needed without a huge dropoff. I think my bench is actually a strength too. I’ll be the first to admit that it isn’t littered with future MVPs but they each fill a role that I need filled & they do what they do very well. Bertans, Hayward & Fournier on the perimeter will make it impossible for defenses to sag off & cheat inside or to double team.

Kawhi is a top 3 player IMO & is as clutch as anybody. He & Siakam were both named 2nd Team All-NBA & are a formidable, 2-way combo leading the way, IMO. Jrue is a great athlete & defender with an extremely high motor. He’s a good enough shooter to at least keep defenses honest at 35% 3pt. Jaylen Brown is another great athlete & defender & is a very good shooter who can also score off the dribble & in mid range. Sabonis is already an All-Star at 24. Like his father, he’s already one of the best passing big men in the league. He averaged 5 assists/game & is ideal for high-low sets.

Coby White came on strong at the end of the season & averaged 25/4/4 in his last 10 games on his way to the All-Rookie 2nd Team. Evan Fournier is a great shooter & scorer who can also take it to the basket. He’s not a bad passer either, at 3 assists/game. Gordon Hayward has the ability to be a point forward type guy. He’s a very good shooter & passer with a high understanding of the game. He’s 30 but with his style of play he won’t be much different in 6-7 years, IMO, if he can avoid any more injuries. Bertans is one of the best shooters alive & at 6-10 he’s a very nice weapon to have. This year was his first time getting significant playing time & he made the most of it. He’s 27 & will be a 20/8/4 kind of player with starter minutes, IMO. Capela is very limited offensively but is great in rolling to the basket for lobs. He’s an elite rebounder & shot blocker though & is only 26 with time to develop a decent offensive game. Kennard is a massive douche bag but the guy can shoot the lights out. He passed the ball very well this season too with 4 assists/game. Thomas Bryant busted out this season too, shooting 58% from the floor & 41% from 3. He’s my stretch 5 but he’s got more than that to his game. He’s a pretty good passer & defender as well & doesn’t get bullied in the paint.
 
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My team averages: 220.3 PPG, 73.7 RPG, 42.3 APG, 46.4 FG%, 36.3 3PT%. Those are very good numbers.
 
How is this even close? Zach Lavine and Julius Randle as starters? Awful. I wouldn't want that on a NBA team with a full 30 teams, let alone this exercise. Team leader is a pushover in Towns who is one of the worst defensive bigs in the league. That team ain't winning shit (with all due respect lol).
 
In Round 2 of the path from hell this is yet another matchup with one of the better drafters on here. @GoBigBlue712 is always loaded & this one is no different. I think I’m a little better at 2, 3 & 4 as far as starters. He has a clear edge at two key positions though at PG & C. Our benches are both good with a nice mix of vets & young guys & a wide variety of skills to plug & play any style. Honestly, there’s really only one spot that I think will give him problems & will be the difference. I think Brook Lopez is on his last legs & he doesn’t have a young big to take his place which will leave a glaring hole behind Towns. He does have Tristan Thompson but 2021 will be his 30 year old season & he’s just a little above average now. Can he still be effective in his mid 30s for the last half of this? I admit this is picking nits but I honestly don’t see a significant difference in the quality of our teams & it would be minor details like this deciding it, IMO. We’re splitting hairs everywhere else, IMO. Nice team, 712.
 
In Round 2 of the path from hell this is yet another matchup with one of the better drafters on here. @GoBigBlue712 is always loaded & this one is no different. I think I’m a little better at 2, 3 & 4 as far as starters. He has a clear edge at two key positions though at PG & C. Our benches are both good with a nice mix of vets & young guys & a wide variety of skills to plug & play any style. Honestly, there’s really only one spot that I think will give him problems & will be the difference. I think Brook Lopez is on his last legs & he doesn’t have a young big to take his place which will leave a glaring hole behind Towns. He does have Tristan Thompson but 2021 will be his 30 year old season & he’s just a little above average now. Can he still be effective in his mid 30s for the last half of this? I admit this is picking nits but I honestly don’t see a significant difference in the quality of our teams & it would be minor details like this deciding it, IMO. We’re splitting hairs everywhere else, IMO. Nice team, 712.
Agreed. Your team is nice as well. Personally, I think Thompson is a guy that could be effective into his late 30s, which should get my squad through this seven year period. With his versatility, he could make up for an aging Lopez behind Towns at the C position.
 
Agreed. Your team is nice as well. Personally, I think Thompson is a guy that could be effective into his late 30s, which should get my squad through this seven year period. With his versatility, he could make up for an aging Lopez behind Towns at the C position.

It wouldn’t surprise me a bit if TT does continue to play well thru 7 years. But, there’s not many other “weaknesses” or question marks to exploit, lol. You did a nice job covering all the bases. I was also just trying to bump it up & extend the conversation hoping we’d get more votes, either way.
 
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