NBA Draft Rankings 2017: ESPN Big Board 6.0 Released
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5. De'Aaron Fox
7. Malik Monk
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I think Hami would be insane to settle for that kind of pick. Talk about selling yourself short.
I don't understand why Swanigan isn't rated higher? He can score around the basket and rebound. I thought that was valuable in any league? And his measurables are good right? What's the drawback on him? I think he's gonna be a player at the next level. I won't be surprised if he don't average a double double within 3 years of being in the league.
Usually there or 3 or 4 foreigners who end up in the first round. Looking at this, that would knock him even further into the second round.
Terrible defense. The pick-and-roll ate him in college, let alone the pros.
If Diallo has a team guaranteeing a 15-25 pick, I can't fault him. I can argue that might not have been the optimal choice for his earnings potential, but there's at least some basis for staying in. But for a kid that should, by all accounts, be a lottery pick in 2018 to accept a second-round pick without even playing one season . . . man, I just can't wrap my head around that kind of thinking. Missing the forest for the trees.
over half the centers in the league are now from Europe. slow footed, wide body, below the rim 6-10 guys dont translate to the pick and roll very well.
Did we ever recruit Markelle Fultz. He professed to being a fan growing up. I suppose Fox took his spot.
That's the way an adult thinks. Kids think:
1. Man, I hate going to school
2. The sooner I get there - and they see how awesome I am! - the sooner I get the next (max) contract.
Yes, he has adults advising him, but kids don't always listen, 1 and 2 above can be powerful motivators, and for all we know there are other adults telling him to go.
If Bamba picks us and Andrew Jones stays in the draft, Texas may have another losing season. Shaka is the most uncomfortable guy in Texas right now, I bet.
Exposed or not, I can't say.
I do see the oddity of signing Bam,
losing Allen while waiting on Bolden
and see Allen drafted 8-10 spots before
Bam and Bolden not drafted at all.
(And Allen played for a coach that can't develop players)
What does that say about rankings?
Looks like UK's 3rd choice has the brightest future.
It's what's called a "present value" calculation. The worth of getting X now versus waiting a year and getting $Y more in later years. The big issue is the present value of getting the first big contract a year early. Knowing how to plug into the equation is the issue. Some one with an elementary knowledge of statistics could set up a simple spread sheet and drop in some values to show him the issue. It still comes down to where he goes this year and gets a "Ulis" contract" vs. waiting a year for a "Davis " contract and a "Conley" contract ($25 MILLION /year) 4or 5 years from now. In other words, when do you hit the jackpot and for how much.
only if you are the belief that every top 10 kid that enters college should automatically be drafted in the top 10.
bam was ranked 11th on scout. add in foreign guys and some upper classman, 20-25 is about right.
He's slower Jared Sullinger. That isn't good in the pros. He's too small to protect the rim and too slow to guard the perimeter.
Saddest part is, he'd have been a perfect fit for UK the last two seasons. But he honestly made a smart college choice. Purdue allowed him to shine his strengths and mask his weaknesses.
Some kids are just never first rounders or lottery. It's genetics as much as it is production, which is why it's foolish that people crush guys like Briscoe for leaving early. They are what they are.
draft express and chad ford appear to be in agreement that diall
can say the same for dakari. a few more years in college would have done little to transform himself. now after two years in the d league where you had to change to survive, he might get a chance. might.
you can hide in college while at the same time be very productive. nba doesnt care about your college stats or if you win games. thats why the d league isnt so bad...forces you to figure it out
can say the same for dakari. a few more years in college would have done little to transform himself. now after two years in the d league where you had to change to survive, he might get a chance. might.
you can hide in college while at the same time be very productive. nba doesnt care about your college stats or if you win games. thats why the d league isnt so bad...forces you to figure it out
It's definitely an imperfect system, and I think a guy like Bolden got a major boost by deciding late. He was never as good as perception became because he represented this recruiting war between Duke and Kentucky.
But you also have to look at measurables and movement. Bam is undersized for the 5 with average length, whereas Bolden and Allen have fantastic measurements. Bolden, however, is slow and lumbering. Without ever looking at stats or production, you take Allen because of his body and movement.
Now, that can change because of production, but it requires players to show something additional. For example, if Bam were a 40% three point shooter, suddenly he's a stretch 4 and no longer undersized and he's a top 5 pick.
It's how Fultz vaulted to the top of the draft. Two years ago, he was a 6'5 SG with slightly above average athleticism and a crafty game. Now, he's a PG and that size is a strength and that athleticism is better in comparison to his positional peers. If Malik Monk showed he could run the point, he's probably the #1 pick. Instead he'll be toward the second half of the top 10.
True. And that's what these college coaches are really selling. They can't make Caleb Swanigan a top 5 pick. What they can do is protect and enhance the stock of every kid--so if you're top 10, you don't ruin it sitting the bench at Louisville, and if you're borderline or second round, you go in as equipped as possible to fight for a slot at the end of the first round or to make a roster.
I agree with this . If the team with the let's say 19th pick says we want you then you go . But if he is borderline and leaves ( unless his family is living on the streets ) he a complete moron. I don't think he is a moron so I think there is a decent chance he comes back .
Hell no . By march he was the 2nd or 3rd best big in college. He will be a starter in the NBA for 10 plus years and anyone getting him after the 15th pick is getting a steal.
Agree completely. Swanigan was hands down the best big man in all of college basketball this year. I cannot believe anyone would not see him as a first rounder after the way he excelled at Purdue.
I know all about the whole "draft on potential" thing, but it's still hard to get used to just how disconnected draft stock has become from actual performance. Swanigan is a better player than virtually every big man ranked above him on that board, but because he comes up short in some of those "potential" markers (wingspan/vertical leap/length/quickness, etc.), he's considered an inferior draft prospect
Personally, I think scouts should give a little more weight to how players actually play.
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Wouldn't that also be the case if he went to the D-League or in NBA workouts prior to signing a deal?
Eventually he has to prove himself, whether it's in college or the NBA, he has to do it.
I agree he was one of the best bigs in college, but I doubt he starts in the NBA unless he develops into a stretch 4. There's too many centers in the league, and centers coming in, that are bigger and and have stronger offensive moves than him.
Bam has to develop some shooting ability and continue working on his post moves to become a starter in the NBA. I do think he'll be a good role player without those improvements.
That's a pretty fair point. But I guess he's going to have to do draft workouts no matter what. Sounds like he's possibly trying to remove the college portion. He might have just not wanted to play college at all... who knows.
It says hindsight is 20/20.
Also, would you have rather had the guy who averaged 13.4/8.4/1.5 blocks on a losing team, or the guy who went for 13/8/1.5 on a 32-6 team? Pro potential and ability to make an impact as a freshman aren't the same things. Related, yes, but not completely.
Based on his comments it seemed like he really wanted to play 1 season at UK.
But he's in a tricky spot, he's obviously a top talent, but if he's only getting a late first round/early 2nd round pick, he's taking a heck of a chance if he takes that deal.
He has to know he could come play 1 season at UK and show what he can do, which should land him in the lottery based on what I've read.
He can't get lottery pick money with a 2nd round pick.
To me it's a no brainer.
I agree I also thought he would go higher in the draft. Great player this past year.
Not really trying to debate the best player.
IMO, Allen would had numbers as good at UK
as at UT. Really, many thought we could have had
both Bam and Allen if we had chosen him over Bolden.
.........Allen and Bam together could have been the answer.....
Yeah, it also depends on the maturity of HD. I can admit that i was immature really bad at his age, ALWAYS looking at the here and now you nailed it, i was never looking at future plans i thought i would cross that bridge when it comes.
If i at HD age was in his shoes, id go pro because all i seen was money now. I really hope his maturity is far above mine, although i just wanted to see him play while we had him( that drove me crazy) Whatever he chooses i will be happy, and understand.
My point with asking if Bam was exposed was for those saying if Diallo is projected even an early 2nd this year, that he would be "exposed" if he came back to UK. If anything, what he's getting drafted on now is his age, athleticism and upside. That stuff isn't going to disappear because he doesn't dominate at UK. My point being, if he's as good of a prospect as people are saying (top 30-40 in the NBA Draft is pretty dang good), he doesn't have much downside to coming back to school. Usually the ones who get "exposed" are the ones who didn't have the best profiles to begin with.
As for Bam, the reason has nothing to do with talent. Bam isn't a lottery pick because there's a serious question about where he plays in the NBA. He's not a center, but he lacks the skills to be an elite 3 or 4 in the NBA. They aren't comparable players necessarily, but I see some Terrence Jones and Patrick Patterson in Adebayo. He's going to have to develop a very specific niche to become a great NBA player.
He's actually make more money in the long run if he stayed this year and gets picked in the first round even if he goes lotto next year. He will get that big contract a year sooner. Even quicker if he's a second round pick ala Draymond who made big money two years earlier than every guy that went first round in his draft class
Most people think short term but long term is the smart move. He key to that bough is staying in the NBA
Most people think short term but long term is the smart move. He key to that bough is staying in the NBA
If I'm pick 30 (the last of the first), I'll make 2.8572M over 3 years, 1.7931M in year 4 and 2.69M in year 5 = 7.3403M over 5 years until 2nd contract.
If I'm pick 14 (the last of the lottery), I'll make 5.094M over 3 years, 2.6274M in year 4 and 3.6547M in year 5 = 11.3761 over 5 years until 2nd contract.
You can do the rest of the math, but if Diallo is drafted 30th in 2017 and signs that contract, he's essentially guaranteed the first deal starting today. If he returns, he loses a year (both on collecting his money AND on his age), but would gain more of it back by moving up to the lottery.
As for the 2nd contract, it's really hard to project to that. A) we don't know exactly what the financial landscape of the NBA will look like 5 years from now and B) this is assuming that the factor for these guys is getting to the 2nd contract. Reality is, many of them don't get to that 2nd mega deal and it's much more likely their decision is based on something similar to the numbers above.
If I'm pick 14 (the last of the lottery), I'll make 5.094M over 3 years, 2.6274M in year 4 and 3.6547M in year 5 = 11.3761 over 5 years until 2nd contract.
You can do the rest of the math, but if Diallo is drafted 30th in 2017 and signs that contract, he's essentially guaranteed the first deal starting today. If he returns, he loses a year (both on collecting his money AND on his age), but would gain more of it back by moving up to the lottery.
As for the 2nd contract, it's really hard to project to that. A) we don't know exactly what the financial landscape of the NBA will look like 5 years from now and B) this is assuming that the factor for these guys is getting to the 2nd contract. Reality is, many of them don't get to that 2nd mega deal and it's much more likely their decision is based on something similar to the numbers above.
He's never going to be a rim protector in the NBA. Also, for his size, he's not a great rebounder. He is not a center in the NBA, at least not a top tier one. If you project him as a center then someone isn't getting a steal of a draft pick.
