Murray, Skal projected as top-10 picks; Briscoe in first round, too.
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Thanks for the link PT. While I like that UK players are mentioned high in some of these articles. I am amazed that some are mentioned at all. Tends to make me cautious as to whether this list is suspect to say the least...in my uneducated basketball knowledge sort of way....
All these kids have hopes and dreams, I in know way want to squash or hinder them in any way. Hebrews 11 (NLT)
11 Faith is the confidence that what we hope for will actually happen; it gives us assurance about things we cannot see
Threw this roller coaster ride we have had this season. We should still believe as we did before the first loss , That UK will win it all ! Have Confidence ! If the fan base believes and never gives up, Then through our inspiration,these kids can also believe also. Never Give Up! We Are UK !
11 Faith is the confidence that what we hope for will actually happen; it gives us assurance about things we cannot see
Threw this roller coaster ride we have had this season. We should still believe as we did before the first loss , That UK will win it all ! Have Confidence ! If the fan base believes and never gives up, Then through our inspiration,these kids can also believe also. Never Give Up! We Are UK !
Does this guy actually watch the games?
3 Dunn (I like him, and think he will be a steal when drafted, but it won't be 3rd). SG are a dime-a-dozen, and his age will be held against him. He'll go in the 12-18 range.
9 Skal, ONLY if he has a nice March. He has no strength, shows little understanding of the game, and no fight in him. I also question his hands (although that could be a strength issue). He'll never be a 5. And it'll take some work to make him a 4 at the pro level, and he doesn't have the skills to be a good 3. Some GM will take him in the 1st, but probably closer to pick 20 than 10. You don't use a lottery pick on a lottery ticket.
13 Hield, he'll go in the top 10, just too athletic not too.
14 Baldwin, honestly he reminded me of a better shooter but not as strong version of Andrew Harrison. He won't be in the league for a 2nd contract, nor will he go in the 1st round.
15 Zimmerman, he's a legit 7'0 with skills. The writer questions his physical style, but he plays more physical than Skal. Top 10 pick.
16 Jones (Vandy), is he really 7'0? Plays smaller. I kind of like him, but there is something missing. I could see him anywhere from 10 to 30.
18 Diallo, based on what. I really think Self doesn't play him hoping he will return next year because of a lowered stock.
20 Valentine, that sounds about right, and it will be a steal. He won't be a star, but he'll be a good 6th-7th man for many years.
21 Trimble, he will move up to the 10-15 range. Top PG.
27 Johnson (UNC), he will be around 15. Good length, and skills.
29 Briscoe, PG-SG, there is NO shooting guard in his game. He is ALL point guard. Evaluate him on that alone. I'd but him in the 30-40 range because he can't shoot. If he improves that to adequate, then he moves up to 25-30.
Absent:
Ulis - I don't care he is 5'9 (if that), there is not a better floor leader than him. He is super quick, a pest on DEF, and he can shoot. His shooting % is down this year because he has been forced to shoot more (too much). His height will limit him some. But those playoff teams would love to add a player like TU, he'll go in the 20-30 range.
3 Dunn (I like him, and think he will be a steal when drafted, but it won't be 3rd). SG are a dime-a-dozen, and his age will be held against him. He'll go in the 12-18 range.
9 Skal, ONLY if he has a nice March. He has no strength, shows little understanding of the game, and no fight in him. I also question his hands (although that could be a strength issue). He'll never be a 5. And it'll take some work to make him a 4 at the pro level, and he doesn't have the skills to be a good 3. Some GM will take him in the 1st, but probably closer to pick 20 than 10. You don't use a lottery pick on a lottery ticket.
13 Hield, he'll go in the top 10, just too athletic not too.
14 Baldwin, honestly he reminded me of a better shooter but not as strong version of Andrew Harrison. He won't be in the league for a 2nd contract, nor will he go in the 1st round.
15 Zimmerman, he's a legit 7'0 with skills. The writer questions his physical style, but he plays more physical than Skal. Top 10 pick.
16 Jones (Vandy), is he really 7'0? Plays smaller. I kind of like him, but there is something missing. I could see him anywhere from 10 to 30.
18 Diallo, based on what. I really think Self doesn't play him hoping he will return next year because of a lowered stock.
20 Valentine, that sounds about right, and it will be a steal. He won't be a star, but he'll be a good 6th-7th man for many years.
21 Trimble, he will move up to the 10-15 range. Top PG.
27 Johnson (UNC), he will be around 15. Good length, and skills.
29 Briscoe, PG-SG, there is NO shooting guard in his game. He is ALL point guard. Evaluate him on that alone. I'd but him in the 30-40 range because he can't shoot. If he improves that to adequate, then he moves up to 25-30.
Absent:
Ulis - I don't care he is 5'9 (if that), there is not a better floor leader than him. He is super quick, a pest on DEF, and he can shoot. His shooting % is down this year because he has been forced to shoot more (too much). His height will limit him some. But those playoff teams would love to add a player like TU, he'll go in the 20-30 range.
I really really really want to believe that Skal is regaining his swag, but anyone who legitimately sees him as a top 10 pick based on anything but potential needs their eyes checked.
Skal is much better off playing like he's a freshman with something to prove.
Skal is much better off playing like he's a freshman with something to prove.
If Skal continues this trajectory (from "God Awful" to "I see a glimmer of hope") by the end of the year he will be a legitimate end of first round draft pick, possibly middle first round if we do well in March, based off of ability alone. However his draft stock will balloon due to his "potential".
With that said he will jump to the NBA. It appears his "people" are pushing him to do so. I hope for his sake that he goes to the NBA scouting combine and they give him honest feedback and he accepts it. No matter where he will get drafted he will be better off coming back next year. If he jumps he will not make a good impact next year for a NBA team the D-League awaits. If he comes back he will inevitably improve, play with less on his shoulders, compete against top competition while building his brand in front of the Best fan base in all of Basketball. He needs a 2nd year at UK.
The only two people on this roster that should jump are Alex and Tyler. Jamal is also in that conversation. Alex has to go, Tyler is playing so well right now, his stock has no where to go but down if he comes back (and this makes me sad) and Jamal while he has many brilliant moments, he should be a Senior in high school right now and he sometimes plays that way. However he has shown improvement in his decision making ability and by the end of the season he will be to good not to jump.
With that said he will jump to the NBA. It appears his "people" are pushing him to do so. I hope for his sake that he goes to the NBA scouting combine and they give him honest feedback and he accepts it. No matter where he will get drafted he will be better off coming back next year. If he jumps he will not make a good impact next year for a NBA team the D-League awaits. If he comes back he will inevitably improve, play with less on his shoulders, compete against top competition while building his brand in front of the Best fan base in all of Basketball. He needs a 2nd year at UK.
The only two people on this roster that should jump are Alex and Tyler. Jamal is also in that conversation. Alex has to go, Tyler is playing so well right now, his stock has no where to go but down if he comes back (and this makes me sad) and Jamal while he has many brilliant moments, he should be a Senior in high school right now and he sometimes plays that way. However he has shown improvement in his decision making ability and by the end of the season he will be to good not to jump.
Skal is going 1st round because of potential. Someone will take a chance on him in the mid to late first round just based on what he might develop into.
Not every NBA team is looking for an instant impact guys. Some have full rosters and want to draft and send guys to the DL in hopes that they will deveiop in a few years.
Skal is one of those types are of players.
Not every NBA team is looking for an instant impact guys. Some have full rosters and want to draft and send guys to the DL in hopes that they will deveiop in a few years.
Skal is one of those types are of players.
These things are a waste of time and do nothing but hurt these young kids imo. These are just done to get attention and hits. Really wish were not around. Kids like Teague, Lamb, Dakari, etc were done a disservice because of false info like this.
I agree that these things are a waste of time, but I seriously doubt any of those guys made their decisions based on what some internet hack wrote about them on a draft website. They get their info from NBA scouts before making their decisions.
You're probably right, but sometimes you hear what you want to hear. You heard the story Cal told. Asked the kid and family if they needed any help and their answer was, "We got this".
I like Briscoe because I think he plays hard and has pretty good defense. That said, I don't see how he could go first round. His poor shooting from the field and the line have hurt his ability to contribute at this level, why would a team pay him to shoot in the teens from 3?
As for skal, I get that bigs get more benefit of the doubt when it comes to potential but again I just don't see how there are not quite a few 6'10 guys out there that can play D, block shots and show a handful of post moves. So far the only glimmer he has shown is a 10 foot jumper which he seems to have a good touch for. Usually that skill would be icing on the cake but in this case skal has been all icing and not much cake. eh, bad metaphor. Maybe they think they can do a better job than cal at teaching him to bang inside.
As for skal, I get that bigs get more benefit of the doubt when it comes to potential but again I just don't see how there are not quite a few 6'10 guys out there that can play D, block shots and show a handful of post moves. So far the only glimmer he has shown is a 10 foot jumper which he seems to have a good touch for. Usually that skill would be icing on the cake but in this case skal has been all icing and not much cake. eh, bad metaphor. Maybe they think they can do a better job than cal at teaching him to bang inside.
Dunn is a point guard, and probably the best prospect in the draft at that position. He's a lottery pick easy.
Murray is definitely going. Probably Briscoe to. He's got a great all around game, he just can't shoot well, but that's a fixable problem. I'm really surprised Skal is still that high, but then I guess I'm really not. All the "potential" talk and stuff. He shouldn't but he'll probably go to. It's kind of good I guess since we need some scholly's to free up. Right now he looks at risk of being out of the league in 3 years if he doesn't improve dramatically.
I agree, however that was not the point of my post. I was stating who "should" jump to the NBA, not who would.
Murray will be drafted in the top half of the lottery. By March, I won't be surprised if Murray is the best college guard in the country. His improvement curve is impressive, and he can create his own shots like few other players can. Murray already makes 5 or 6 very impressive NBA moves every time out. Labissiere has no instincts or feel for the game of professional basketball. Some NBA executive might take a flyer on Labissiere in the 2nd round because of his length, maybe even late in the 1st round. Labissiere might leap at that opportunity, but it would be the worst mistake of his life and he would get run out of pro basketball in 3 years or less. I just don't see Briscoe being drafted this year. Briscoe's huge heart and defensive tenacity could translate well to the NBA, but not until he develops scoring skills. Labissiere and Briscoe ought to be multi year college players.
I'm halfway convinced the 76ers will end up drafting him as part of a super secretive genetic splicing project they have going on where they take every center they have drafted over the last few years and make a super center out of them
Okafors post moves + Noel's defense + eembid's ability to eat large quantities of junk food + skal' jump shot is a monster. Literally and figuratively, but mostly figuratively.
Okafors post moves + Noel's defense + eembid's ability to eat large quantities of junk food + skal' jump shot is a monster. Literally and figuratively, but mostly figuratively.
The amazing thing is, the kid was the #2 recruit in the country, has not developed much or lived up to potentional and Cal will still get him drafted in the first round. This shows the power of CAL!!!!!
This. If Briscoe could shoot 85% from the line then I could see NBA value in his game but at this point, no. Guys his size that can actually shoot are a dime a dozen so IMO he has a long road to go if he doesn't suddenly dramatically improve his offensive skills.
Why are guys like Allan and Kennard not on the NBA list?..Kennard is the next JJ reddick and Allan can shoot and is very athletic with a 20ppg ..that at UK and their gone...I would take either one over Briscoe..not to slam Briscoe, but imo their just better..
Murray is a no-brainer. I absolutely love the kid. The trashing he gets from the idiot portion of BBN on message boards, Facebook and Twitter is mind boggling. Those fans don't deserve a team to root for.
Skal is just a notch below the no-brainer category, in my opinion. Bigs -- especially 7-footers -- are almost always slower to develop. Their height alone gets them immediate attention from scouts. Add athleticism and a soft shooting touch and they're already draft worthy. Lack of strength means nothing at Skal's age. It will come. His biggest weakness is inexperience. Only time can change that. I'd take him with the 10th pick, no doubt, and give him 2, 3, or even 4 years to develop. It's worth the risk at #10.
Briscoe is a head scratcher. He's sharing the backcourt with two all-american guards, so who knows what he would do as a featured player on another team. I just can't get past his poor shooting. Lots of tools otherwise, but that shot concerns me. I wouldn't use a first round pick on him today.
Skal is just a notch below the no-brainer category, in my opinion. Bigs -- especially 7-footers -- are almost always slower to develop. Their height alone gets them immediate attention from scouts. Add athleticism and a soft shooting touch and they're already draft worthy. Lack of strength means nothing at Skal's age. It will come. His biggest weakness is inexperience. Only time can change that. I'd take him with the 10th pick, no doubt, and give him 2, 3, or even 4 years to develop. It's worth the risk at #10.
Briscoe is a head scratcher. He's sharing the backcourt with two all-american guards, so who knows what he would do as a featured player on another team. I just can't get past his poor shooting. Lots of tools otherwise, but that shot concerns me. I wouldn't use a first round pick on him today.
I like watching Allan play for Duke and if we're talking college basketball and how to play the game of basketball, Allan is by far the better player while compared to Briscoe, but if we're talking NBA basketball, you see why the NBA would rather draft a guy like Briscoe over Duke's Allan. During the Duke vs Kentucky game, Allan looked awful. Even though Allan is a better basketball player than Briscoe, if you place Briscoe on Allan, his stats would look horrible.
I disagree ..Allan had a bad game,, some of it was the D, but he missed shots he usually makes.. ...Even our 5'7 PG is leaving after 2 years...His strength in CBB won't be in the NBA...He's not a great shooter and he wont be driving by guys for layups in the NBA..
Skal will be a 1st rounder based on potential but I don't see him being a lottery pick. Although we're looking at a weak draft you still expect a lottery pick to be someone who can contribute right away.. He still has time to become that kind of player but the window is closing quickly.
He is going to go. Based off of his current play I feel that he will continue to improve and should go but if he levels off and continues to play one game great and one game of making poor decisions then I think he should come back.
What about you?
Since this ain't his first rodeo and how well he played with the Canadian National Team, I really expected him to only be here for one year. And it's tribute to him that has tried adjusting his game for Cal because you can bet he thought his game was fine. I think being at Kentucky is making him an even more rounded player. I see him being a really good pro for a long time.
