Murray and Briscoe will be better pro's.
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I agree that Briscoe and Murray will likely become much, much better at the next level. I think Briscoe's game would look quite a bit better now if he were running the point with a couple of good traditional wings playing alongside him. I also agree with Mike-D about Murray. I think he has star potential at the next level either as a 2G or PG. I feel like he's going to be such a scorer that maybe 2G will be his best position, but maybe I'm wrong. He did play the point well for team Canada, right?
I think as UK fans we're always going to have to accept that there will be a ton of "forecast" in our OAD players. These players are too young and inexperienced at the college level of competition to be anywhere near their potential in one year at UK. The most UK fans are ever going to get is a glimpse of what these OAD players will be. But, Calipari has generally been remarkably good at being able to develop the OADs enough as individuals and as part of a unit to give UK as good or better chance than most anybody year-in-and-year-out in March.
I think as UK fans we're always going to have to accept that there will be a ton of "forecast" in our OAD players. These players are too young and inexperienced at the college level of competition to be anywhere near their potential in one year at UK. The most UK fans are ever going to get is a glimpse of what these OAD players will be. But, Calipari has generally been remarkably good at being able to develop the OADs enough as individuals and as part of a unit to give UK as good or better chance than most anybody year-in-and-year-out in March.
Agree with you guys. Can you imagine how good Murray would be as a Junior, or heaven forbid a Senior? Other SEC programs have guards who can't get on the floor their first year or two, and then by their Senior year they have developed into good college players who can hit open shots very well. They don't generally have pro potential, but again are decent to good college players. At UK we get to watch players with better talent and potential, but not yet developed to what they will be. So, it is a trade off, but if you can get the top talent you are always going to take it. Plus, you can't argue with UK's results.
If they leave early, and we suck this year, I don't give a damn about their pro careers. Sorry, you have to leave some kind of legacy.
Murray is not a PG. What have you been watching? Gets tunnel vision way too much & simply doesnt have the feel/decision making needed to run a team.
Briscoe..well. I dont doubt his PG abilities, he's shown to be a real good passer. Its his lac of athletcism & jumper that will make him ineffective.
If you lack athletcism, you better be skilled.
If you can't shoot, you better be explosive.
Briscoe is neither.
Briscoe..well. I dont doubt his PG abilities, he's shown to be a real good passer. Its his lac of athletcism & jumper that will make him ineffective.
If you lack athletcism, you better be skilled.
If you can't shoot, you better be explosive.
Briscoe is neither.
Motor & build have NOTHNG to do with your athletcisim.
I judge athleticism, as do majority of people, by your quickness, leaping ability, speed & lateral movement/quicks.
Briscoe is lacking in most, if not all those areas.
His motor, strength & toughness is what makes him a good defender/rebounder at the college level, but his athletic limitations will become even bigger at the next level.
Don't take this the wrong way, but that is freaking idiotic. If the kids have maxed out their draft potential, which Briscoe and Murray may have done, then they should go no matter how the year ends. The NBA doesn't care about kids winning NCAA Championships. They care about how you can help their team, and age happens to play a BIG factor in that. And no matter what some of you think, kids will get better when they practice/play year-round 40+ hours a week as opposed to being in college where practice time is greatly limited. I know some refuse to understand this, but if a kid is taking a risk coming back and they could probably be a first-round pick, they should probably go and take the guaranteed contract.
Set the fandom aside. These kids are making business decisions that affect THEM, not you.
I don't think we have NBA quality players. I know people talk about "potential" but each year brings a new crop of players with "potential." Murray might have a decent career abroad, but he seems a step slow for the NBA: he has trouble turning the corner in college. As for the others, c'mon. People with the players' interest at heart will try to clear the air of a lot of guff and moonshine.
The NBA will be able to work with these guys all summer. UK had about one month or less to get these guys ready.
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I'm glad for them. I really am. I do enjoy being the place of the pros.
But, I must say, What exactly does that have to do with UK?
But, I must say, What exactly does that have to do with UK?
Which is the same other college players have. Murray's our best shooter (maybe; I think Ulis is more creative and has become more reliable as the season has progressed), but there are other players we've come up against who shoot it better. I don't think there's any pixie dust that makes a player better just because he played here.
I've never understood where people get that Briscoe is athletic.
Briscoe can get to his spot anytime. His first step is nigh unbeatable. He guards the perimeter like no other...granted his offensive skills leave one wanting, but to say he lacks athleticism is asinine...just my opinion, but it's like I am watching another game...
Disagree on Murray. He's crafty enough and has the size and shooting ability to play in the NBA for a long time.
You really are.
He's unathletic & its pretty evident.
If you notice, most of his points come off Offensive rebounds. He rarely takes a guard off the bounce and finishes. He just doesnt have the burst to consistently do it at the college level. it'll only get harder in the NBA.
Surely you're joking? If he's not athletic there has never been a player who was. The kid can drive right past guards and through opposing teams front courts. He can guard just about any position on the court and rebounds very well for a guard. Without question he is very athletic and that is one be one of the reasons he'll play in the nba, his shooting sure isn't going to get him there.
I agree. I love Isaiah. He's probably my favorite player on this year's team. But how many great 6-2 players are there in the NBA that can't shoot the ball? Admittedly, I kinda thought the same thing about Rondo so we'll see.
Im seriously mind blown right now. Like, just speechless.
He so clearly lacks athleticism that you need to have the strongest set of homer glasses on to think otherwise.
IMHO, neither will amount to much as pros, unless Murray can learn to defend, at least a little, and Briscoe can learn to shoot (and make) more than just layins.
Note: Potential does not always translate to performance, as we are finding out in spades with this year's ones-and-dones.
If they can not play pt guard at Ky how will they play in the pro s, Ulis is playing almost the whole game because neither one of them are that good at pt..
I would be more than speechless if I were the one posting that one of the top recruits in div-1 men's basketball wasn't athletic. I don't think you're capable of understanding how bad your opinion is. He does not clearly like anything, you don't get to the level he is without being exceptionally athletic, that's just common sense.
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Its relative. Of course, compared to the normal population hes not unathletic.
I'm obviously talking about compared to his peers, esp. compared to NBA athletes, where he falls really short. If you read my posts clearly, maybe you could've used common sense.
And please, you can certainly reach D1 level of bballl while still being unathletic. Ex : Dakari Johnson. Have a seat.
Of course their professional career will depend on the team and situation they go to, but the spacing in the NBA fits both of thier styles and ability to attack the rim. That's why Goodwin is starting to become more effective in the NBA; more room to drive the ball.
Briscoe isn't even an average athlete using NBA standards. He usually beats his man with the first step because he palms the ball making him very hard to defend. He's gotten away with it all year. If he leaves after the season then he will at very best be a career backup PG with a decent chance at being out of the league by his second contract.
Murray has a lot of "Nik Stauskas" in him. Puts up pretty good college stats but really isn't great at anything, will be drafted too high and then end up being a role player and probably moving team to team fairly often.
I put my money on Ulis or Skal being the best pro players on this team. I know that's pretty crazy to say given their limitations but I don't think it will be all that hard to be better than Briscoe or Murray.
Murray has a lot of "Nik Stauskas" in him. Puts up pretty good college stats but really isn't great at anything, will be drafted too high and then end up being a role player and probably moving team to team fairly often.
I put my money on Ulis or Skal being the best pro players on this team. I know that's pretty crazy to say given their limitations but I don't think it will be all that hard to be better than Briscoe or Murray.
Wow...Nick Stauskas...I don't think he ever dribbled the ball in college and in NBA is just a spot up shooter (and not elite yet).
Murray is solid off the bounce and an improving shot as the year goes on.
You didnt watch him at Michigan then.
He came back his 2nd yr w/ a new handle, which he displayed throughout the yr. He actually was a way better passer than Murray.
I'm not comparing him to Nik, but he did handle the ball during his SOPH. season.
If the nba drafts on so called potential and skal does leave as many think, then there is a place for briscoe. The nba game suits him better because in the nba if your a pg you don't have to be a great shooter since your surrounded by them. Briscoes downfall would be free throws but he can distribute and attack the basket which is what a good pg does in the nba. His shot will get better he won't be a terrible dt shooter the rest of his life either
Personally I really don't care, never watch the NBA, do not follow it. If a kid plays one year at UK and leaves there is not much of a legacy so I wish him the best and look forward to the next season.
John man be serious. Briscoe is not a great athlete. Hell, he's in the middle of the pack just on this UK team alone which isn't full of athletic studs. A great athlete is Alex, Azubuike, Wall, MKG, and so on. Briscoe doesn't even come close to those guys. And in the league the 4 above just blend in with the rest of the players in the NBA.
