Mumme in town tonight
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Good read on Mumme from Sept 2014
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11547946/why-nick-saban-college-football-afraid-hal-mumme
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11547946/why-nick-saban-college-football-afraid-hal-mumme
buster3.0 posted on 1/16/2015...
A lot of hubbub about a guy who has never won anything. Sure, the offense is cute and he has made a name for himself because of it. But, if you look at his overall record as a head football coach it is just awful.
No offense buster, (great name BTW) but if you think Mumme's scheme wasn't innovative, I am not sure what they are teaching you down there in orange land.
A lot of hubbub about a guy who has never won anything. Sure, the offense is cute and he has made a name for himself because of it. But, if you look at his overall record as a head football coach it is just awful.
No offense buster, (great name BTW) but if you think Mumme's scheme wasn't innovative, I am not sure what they are teaching you down there in orange land.
^ Interesting when he said he called the same play 50 something timed in a row! He is a character
Mummy's airraid was fun to watch but he hurt this program thanks to his cheating ways. He's a water down version of Bruce Pearl. Goofy antics that everybody enjoyed but in the end he had to cheat to even somewhat make it work at UK.
After seven years of Curry, he was a breath of fresh air. I enjoyed every game. Never before or since have fans stayed in their seats that long. If I were in town I would go and shake his hand, thank him for the entertainment. Play The Next Play.
Originally posted by AirRaidFan:
Anyone who doesn't think other coaches dreaded playing us during his tenure, really must not have been around. Certainly, the coaches eventually figured out many of his schemes, but it took a while and was just fun.
Probably the most fun years of UK football for me, ever. And I have been a fan here much longer than most on this board.
Anyone who doesn't think other coaches dreaded playing us during his tenure, really must not have been around. Certainly, the coaches eventually figured out many of his schemes, but it took a while and was just fun.
I'm with Kats23. Yes he came up with a novel style of offense that has caught on and changed the game to some extent, but OTOH I, along with the rest of our fan base suffered greatly for several years from the sanctions that came down on us due to his mismanagement of the program. To this day anytime I hear or read the name I cringe.
It's water under the bridge now, and I don't lose any sleep over it but still I wish Mumme would just sort of fade away. Coming back here is just rubbing our nose in it.
This post was edited on 1/17 11:11 AM by Deeeefense
It's water under the bridge now, and I don't lose any sleep over it but still I wish Mumme would just sort of fade away. Coming back here is just rubbing our nose in it.
This post was edited on 1/17 11:11 AM by Deeeefense
Mumme brought a lot of fun and excitement to UK football. I never thought UK would lead the nation in passing offense but we did under Mumme and in the tough SEC. If he had put as much emphasis on defense as he did on offense and managed his staff better, he may still be UK's head coach.
68-34 over UofL in 1998 with Tim Couch at the helm convinced me
Have we scored anywhere near 68 points since....????
Have we scored anywhere near 68 points since....????
So you had more fun watching them throw a billion times a game and play 0 defense and go: 5-6, 7-5 (bowl loss), 6-6 (bowl loss), and 2-9, than you did watching Brooks' teams play solid football, and go to bowls and win them?
I'll never understand this fanbase.
A-friggin men. This joker had Fraud coaching special teams, remember how Hanson used "different muscles" on kick-offs as opposed to place kicking. Well Bassett said it, it must be true. Even though 90% of college and pro teams use the same player for both. Well since Hanson isn't doing the place kicks, we miss a couple and have the game winning fg blocked vs UL in 2000. Oh btw our kick coverage was stellar all night long. UL ran a counter-trap like we ran the wildcat vs USCjr and Major couldn't figure it out. And that is one friggin game of that clusterbuck of a season (2000)
And this guy leaves us on probation and still takes the 800k not to coach.
He is now at his level, Belhaven, where he was beat 91-14 by the fightn' Lyndsey Wilsons.
Let me ask you this. If this guy is such a brilliant football coach then why has his career been on a downward trajectory since he left UK? He has lost big starting with UK and then at every stop he has been since. Div. 1, Div 1AA, Div 2, Div 3, NAIA, it doesn't matter. I belive he is coaching Division 3 now, right?
buster, I'm with you on this one. Mumme had 2 pretty good years at a historic SEC cellar-dweller. What Mumme lovers fail to mention is by Year Three SEC DCs were starting to figure him out and by Year Four his O was so impotent a lifetime supply of Viagra couldn't help. Others made adjustments but he had no answer for those adjustments.
He was fun but it was quickly obvious he was over his head. His D3 team lost a game this year 91-6....ninety-one to six......NINETY-ONE to Six. Frankly, I wish I never heard of him.
I guess the conference DCs did have it so figured out by year three and that's why Dusty Bonner was able to lead the conference in several offensive categories and we were still able to go to our second bowl. I would have hated to see what he would have done if it was still new and they didn't have it figured out.
I seem to recall that the lack of success wasn't so much lack of offensive production but the inability to stop anyone along with questionable special teams calls. It doesn't matter how much you score if you allow the opponent one more it's an L.
Year four was a disaster as all the wheels were coming off as I recall. Rumors of NCAA violations, losing Chris Hatcher (QB coach) Sonny Dykes (Jimmy Whalen's position coach), Mike Major being forced out, players leaving and remaining team splitting as a result of the Dusty Bonner-Jared Lorenzen fiasco,
Prior to that he was sitting with a winning record, the first since Blanton Collier.
His stay here was both good and bad and there is no way I can downplay the bad.
NCAA sanctions were terrible and the program is just now recovering from it.
Without Mumme and that fallout the path of Morriss, Brooks, Phillips, Stoops probably would have never occurred-for what that's worth.
Doubt Leach, Holgerstron, Dykes would have gotten chances to become HC by now. Tony Franklin would have had no "System" to sell and would still be coaching KY HS ball. Neal Brown wouldn't be HC anywhere but climbing the ranks.
Tim Couch would have never been drafted as Option QBs are not very valuable in the league. Bonner would have probably never played, much less started and set records in the SEC and doubt he's won not one but two H Hill trophy's (Heisman equivalent).
The Bama winless streak would still be intact.
Commonwealth Stadium would have never been expanded and who knows about other facilities.
Larry Ivey would probably still be AD.
Whether the good outweighs the bad, I'm not sure. But to be fair it all should be considered.
And the excitement that this program is experiencing today under Mark Stoops owes some small part from the hope that was injected into this program by Mumme, Leach and the rest of the staff and those players who dared to be different and show that winning was possible here. The mantra then was "if we only had a defense" and Stoops has promised us that, this go around. We're going to now see where that takes us.
And as far as losing 96-7 ... Thats not good for sure. One thing I bet though is I bet they played the entire game and didn't call it in the third quarter because the team was hungry or whatever lame excuse that this sports department offered after that embarassment.
And had the entire game been played that night I'm not sure the final score would have been far off from the score had that Arkansas game had gone the full 60 minutes.
Finally, am I saying Mumme should have stayed? No way. The decisions he made here, made that impossible - which is unfortunate, because a few things done differently could have taken things in a dramatically different direction.
But hey, that's UK football isn't it?
I seem to recall that the lack of success wasn't so much lack of offensive production but the inability to stop anyone along with questionable special teams calls. It doesn't matter how much you score if you allow the opponent one more it's an L.
Year four was a disaster as all the wheels were coming off as I recall. Rumors of NCAA violations, losing Chris Hatcher (QB coach) Sonny Dykes (Jimmy Whalen's position coach), Mike Major being forced out, players leaving and remaining team splitting as a result of the Dusty Bonner-Jared Lorenzen fiasco,
Prior to that he was sitting with a winning record, the first since Blanton Collier.
His stay here was both good and bad and there is no way I can downplay the bad.
NCAA sanctions were terrible and the program is just now recovering from it.
Without Mumme and that fallout the path of Morriss, Brooks, Phillips, Stoops probably would have never occurred-for what that's worth.
Doubt Leach, Holgerstron, Dykes would have gotten chances to become HC by now. Tony Franklin would have had no "System" to sell and would still be coaching KY HS ball. Neal Brown wouldn't be HC anywhere but climbing the ranks.
Tim Couch would have never been drafted as Option QBs are not very valuable in the league. Bonner would have probably never played, much less started and set records in the SEC and doubt he's won not one but two H Hill trophy's (Heisman equivalent).
The Bama winless streak would still be intact.
Commonwealth Stadium would have never been expanded and who knows about other facilities.
Larry Ivey would probably still be AD.
Whether the good outweighs the bad, I'm not sure. But to be fair it all should be considered.
And the excitement that this program is experiencing today under Mark Stoops owes some small part from the hope that was injected into this program by Mumme, Leach and the rest of the staff and those players who dared to be different and show that winning was possible here. The mantra then was "if we only had a defense" and Stoops has promised us that, this go around. We're going to now see where that takes us.
And as far as losing 96-7 ... Thats not good for sure. One thing I bet though is I bet they played the entire game and didn't call it in the third quarter because the team was hungry or whatever lame excuse that this sports department offered after that embarassment.
And had the entire game been played that night I'm not sure the final score would have been far off from the score had that Arkansas game had gone the full 60 minutes.
Finally, am I saying Mumme should have stayed? No way. The decisions he made here, made that impossible - which is unfortunate, because a few things done differently could have taken things in a dramatically different direction.
But hey, that's UK football isn't it?
Your right-Year three-no Tim Couch (who finished season 7-5 after Outback Bowl loss)
Instead had Dusty Bonner.
Finished 6-5 regular season including wins over #20 Arkansas, Vandy, South Carolina, LSU, Indiana. Set numerous records.
Went to second bowl in two years for first time since 83-84. Had Syracuse on ropes but lost after top receiver (Jimmy Whalen) knocked out of game with injury.
Wheels came off year four with 2-9 and pending NCAA investigation.
Instead had Dusty Bonner.
Finished 6-5 regular season including wins over #20 Arkansas, Vandy, South Carolina, LSU, Indiana. Set numerous records.
Went to second bowl in two years for first time since 83-84. Had Syracuse on ropes but lost after top receiver (Jimmy Whalen) knocked out of game with injury.
Wheels came off year four with 2-9 and pending NCAA investigation.
Bonner was a decent qb. Offense was doing fine until defenses recognized Bonner had very limited arm strength. They packed in and were able to shut down the short passing game.
I remember the bowl game that year. We were sitting in the endzone. On the last play of the game, Ky had the ball around mid field. I believe near the Syracuse 45. Bonner threw a hail-Mary...it didn't reach the endzone.
I remember the bowl game that year. We were sitting in the endzone. On the last play of the game, Ky had the ball around mid field. I believe near the Syracuse 45. Bonner threw a hail-Mary...it didn't reach the endzone.
Funny that some people don't remember having only 65-70 players on our roster for several years because the NCAA hammered us over Mumme's cheating ways. Mumme got us into a lot of trouble, and was shown the doors because of it. That is his legacy. But with our football program moving in the right direction now, this isn't the time to dwell on Mumme.
Dumme at Belhaven this year:
2-9 record, ending the season dropping their last 9.
Averaged 24 ppg
Gave up 39 ppg
54 pass attempts per game
32 completions per game
2 interceptions thrown per game
337 yards passing per game
10 yards per completion
166 yards given up passing per game
15 yards per completion given up
103 yards on the ground per game
3.2 yards per carry
211 yards given up on the ground per game
4.7 yards per carry given up
Pretty much vintage Dummeball. But hey, they threw the ball a lot and that's something that some people enjoy. Just think back to when Dumme was hired instead of David Cutcliffe, who wanted the job. Where would we have been with a rock solid coach like Cutcliffe and no probation? Cash Money Newton should have his name scrubbed off the stadium walls, if for no other reason than the hiring of Dumme.
2-9 record, ending the season dropping their last 9.
Averaged 24 ppg
Gave up 39 ppg
54 pass attempts per game
32 completions per game
2 interceptions thrown per game
337 yards passing per game
10 yards per completion
166 yards given up passing per game
15 yards per completion given up
103 yards on the ground per game
3.2 yards per carry
211 yards given up on the ground per game
4.7 yards per carry given up
Pretty much vintage Dummeball. But hey, they threw the ball a lot and that's something that some people enjoy. Just think back to when Dumme was hired instead of David Cutcliffe, who wanted the job. Where would we have been with a rock solid coach like Cutcliffe and no probation? Cash Money Newton should have his name scrubbed off the stadium walls, if for no other reason than the hiring of Dumme.
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