Another site is reporting Montgomery remains a high priority for UK in 2025...how doe this factor in with Boley...I thought he was a 25? Does this mean he is reclassifying?
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Montgomery vs Boley
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Stone Saunders is also a '25. I think Boley reclassifies and that's based on nothing but a guess. I also think Coen/UK really like Montgomery. Be fun to watch how all the pieces are juggled but I also think Coen will find a good QB.
I have zero doubts that as long as coen is here, he gets no worse than his second option. His lethal combination of elite coaching and elite charisma will have us offensively the most talented ever. Already has really and we'll just keep climbing.
The only obstacle we'll have are the neverending (but fair) question of how long he'll be here.
The only obstacle we'll have are the neverending (but fair) question of how long he'll be here.
Boley has an official visit scheduled with UK in June....him being in the 2024 class almost a certainty. Hopefully as a Wildcat!
Ya I have as much faith in Coen as I’ve had in any UK OC, but I’d be lying if I said I thought he’d be here for long, short of Stoops stepping down and Coen getting the job in the next couple years. That’s not a prediction but it’d have to be something big like that to keep him I think.
If Boley stays in the 2025 class, then Coach Coen wants to maximize his chances to sign one of them. I would think if Boley reclassifies forward to 2024, then Coen goes for Boley in 2024, then Montgomery or Stone Saunders in the 2025 class. Either situation could turn out well. With redshirt possibilities, Coen could put two seasons between his 2024 and 2025 signings if Boley makes the kind of rapid progress that his size and evaluations suggest he might be capable of. But this is recruiting, so 100 unpredictable possibilities are probably in play.
Coen will be here for a while. He is in his mid 30s, so he is still developing the foundation of his coaching career. He has a great contract that will push his net worth close to $5 million at this young age if he plays his cards right while he is building his brand. He has plenty of time, and the experience of last year in LA will temper the perceived invulnerability that young virtuoso talents sometimes feel. I think Coen learned more from Sean McVay than xs and os. To draw Boley's or Montgomery's interest, Coen will need to articulate a commitment to their development at UK. Coen surely will get that.
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Coen to LA may keep him here for longer than we think. It was truly a no brainer for him to go. He also turned down several offers prior to leaving IIRC. It’s crazy to think how the staff has transformed our offensive room in such a short amount of time and have top quality recruits looking hard at us.
From my perspective the fact that he returned here speaks volumes. He will get/have a QB that has skills to suit his system(which is the current flavor of the NFL) that bodes well for us I think.
I think Stoops intends for UK to be his legacy and will be here for some time to come if he can average 8 wins a year for the next few seasons. Coen as the next head coach, maybe too far down the road in our fast food society.
I think UK football is in better shape than it has been since the days of Bryant.(the bar isn't real high during most of that time)
IMO it is in the best interest of his resume Coen stay here 2 or 3 yrs. Being 1 & done to somewhere yet again will not be good for his dependability.
Coen already said he will stay for longer this time.
We’ll see I hope you’re right. But you don’t need to be a successful OC in the SEC for the long term to get head coaching offers.
His Brand is built and if we keep him three years we will be very lucky
I agree, unless he’s like Brad White and doesn’t want to be a head coach just yet (I doubt that) I could see him here for 2 seasons before someone with the right situation gambles on him for their head coach job.
He said he'd stay longer last time too. He promised two years but we got one. I understand why he left and anyone would've done the same.
He's the caliber of coach that will again elicit another great offer much sooner than we want. It will happen again and we'll have to see what he does.
The good news is this time, woody should be ready...if he doesn't go too
He has a young child. I think UK can keep him up until that child starts school. I think at that point he will want to start planting roots. Maybe it’s in Ky or the best offer at that point.
Coen says he wants to be here for the long haul, so I don’t see him leaving for another OC job anytime soon. I think his next gig will be a head coaching job. That’s what we will be fighting off. Hope we can at least get 3-4 years out of him before that happens. Hopefully he’s picky about where he goes and doesn’t take the first mid-major head coaching gig that offers him. Would like to see him hold out for a P5 job like other high profile OC’s have before.
Remember Joe Brady? He was the guy who transformed LSU's offense into an unstoppable machine that won a NC. Red hot coaching prospect who moved on to the NFL where many felt it was a matter of time before he was a NFL HC or a return to college to take over a "name" program. What's happened instead is he's bounced around the NFL, had more than one job and has yet to repeat LSU success.
I have no idea what Coen's long term plans are. Not every top assistant coach wants to be a HC, lots of $$ to be made but lots of headaches too. John Chavas, Norm Chow and our own Eddie Gran are three who passed on HC jobs. (Chow did have a very brief run as HC at Hawaii but bombed badly, was fired and returned to OC status). I just know that Coen has a 3 year contract so I'm going to enjoy these next 3 years then see what happens.
IMO Coen isn't leaving unless it is an upper level P5 program head coach job. And he isn't getting offered one of those until he puts top 20 offenses on the field for several yrs in a row.
Hell, Monken at Georgia still wasn't getting any P5 head coaching offers after 4 yrs as their OC.
Hell, Monken at Georgia still wasn't getting any P5 head coaching offers after 4 yrs as their OC.
Most in the know believe he is reclassifying. He even went so far as to petition the nCAA to allow him to take official visits which 2025 recruits can't take until next year. He argued that he was actually a 2024 due to his academic standing and the NCAA agreed.
It was reported that Coen gave Stoops a promise of 3 years, since he broke his promise of 2 years last time, though he did have an Rams' OC caveat to the verbal agreement.
I agree, and I doubt that either he or Brad White will be tempted by a move to a G5 program like Troy (and I am not dissing John Sumrall).
Given the reputations they have, both can pull down pretty big bucks, right here, and wait for an alluring SEC or Big Ten offer for the top spot.
As to the subject of the thread, Boley vs. Montgomery (vs. Stone Saunders!). All Top 150 (overall) in their respective classes!
As another poster once pointed out, if Levis goes as high as most think, and then Leary does, also . . . our future skills camps will become a fickin’ who’s-who of talent!!
We might start to see California HS QB’s camping in Lexington with Coen’s allure!
As another poster once pointed out, if Levis goes as high as most think, and then Leary does, also . . . our future skills camps will become a fickin’ who’s-who of talent!!
We might start to see California HS QB’s camping in Lexington with Coen’s allure!
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Uuuh, I didn’t earn my degree in math, but if Coen gave Stoops a promise if 2 years in his first year, but shaved a year off, back then, and has now given Stoops a promise of 3 years in his second, “first” year, here, I think that means he’ll be here for 7 years.
I did not remove my shoes whilst calculating!
If you're boley would you go to a team that got three guys drafted top 12 (including one by a team that had two guys at that position)? Or a team that had a top 5 guy slide out of the first round?
Going to be a tough spin job by the staff to sell people on what happened here. The toe gives them the perfect out but I can't imagine that's the first time anyone heard the concerns. If so, he should fire his agent tonight
Going to be a tough spin job by the staff to sell people on what happened here. The toe gives them the perfect out but I can't imagine that's the first time anyone heard the concerns. If so, he should fire his agent tonight
Stoops got his assistants huge raises so hopefully that along with his recent NFL stint will keep him here for a 4-5 year period at least. Maybe after that he could be like Assistant HC or something depending on how long Stoops wants to coach. I think he’s only like 56 so I could see him going another decade easy though.
I hope you're right, but I'll be happy if he's here for at least three years. If we get more than that, then icing on the proverbial cake.
I hope this isn't the case, but I posted earlier that this can ɓe used as a big indictment against Stoop's offensive philosophy.
The offense on its own should be helping kids get drafted. These kids are operating in the most prominent NFL offense.
The off field stuff is the biggest part. Obviously perception and representation makes a difference. Bama RB went 12 to a team that had two good rbs already, while passing over a QB they could definitely use. That says something.
There have been many misunderstandings and downright false statements about Stoops' offensive philosophy. Stoops' philosophy is to employ an OC he trusts who will develop UK's offense and offensive players. At this, he has not always been successful. We know this because of lack of continuity. But any OC can relocate to another job. I think Coen learned a lesson last year in the school of hard knocks, and will stay longer this time. He already said he will be in Lexington for a while, and anybody can see his new contract is sweet. Other coaches will try to use all of this against UK because that is what coaches do. No doubt coaches use Saban's age against him and Kiffin's happy feet against him too. That is the recruiting game. Young players are confident Mark Stoops will be at UK, but they can't be confident in that way about Saban, Kiffin, Sark, or Day. Young players pick a campus where they feel at home. Players feel UK offers a family atmosphere. Player after player says this very thing.
The piece I am looking for is how Coen will recruit. This remains an unknown. You would think Coen's NFL experience will attract quarterbacks. Coen is talking with big time high school quarterbacks. If Coen attracts Boley or Montgomery or even Saunders, then the thesis would be validated. If he misses on all three, that does not mean he can't recruit, but the optics would not be what we need. We are waiting to learn whether Coen's recruiting clout is what we hope.
Agree with everything you just posted. Knowing the Coen and Woody connection and how well they’ve been able to recruit the wr room as well as getting Leary here, I’m very optimistic about how they go about recruiting the hs qb position as well as helping recruit the offensive line etc.
Oh lord not this stuff again.
There are zero signs Stoops is moving on from UK....heck he's got basically a lifetime contract he just inked after a down year.
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