Lyles in the NBA
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Said this in another thread, but Lyles will not have a defined position, and this is where his true value lies, depending on what his coach wants to run at the next level, Lyles will indeed be a floor stretching 4, if the team he is with has an anchor down low. Or he will be a three that can cause matchup nightmares for smaller defenders, and will be plenty capable of hitting 3 pointers in the league.
Lyles will eventually hit a lot of threes for some NBA team, and his value lies in that he can play 3 or a 4 whether the coach wants to play small ball or not. The only reason peeple think Lyles is not capable of playing the 3 is that he won't be able to guard 3's in the league, I think personally he will be able to guard 3's and 4's and be just fine.
I think it's strange to put a defined label on Lyles, he will be able to play multiple positions in the league depending on whatever system he gets drafted into. He's a Swiss army knife of sorts and that will make him very valuable to many teams. Some guys never make it in the league because they are "tweeners" Well Trey is the complete opposite of a "tweener" imo he has the ability to play 3 or 4 and contribute significantly to a team.
My NBA comparison for Trey is a better Harrison Barnes, even though Harrison Barnes to his credit plays in a loaded system, if he was in NY per say, his numbers would look a ton better. I also like the Barnes comparison because he is versatile, sometimes Golden State and Kerr run him at the 4 and he is a better than expected post up player, and he can also spread out and give opposing 4's trying to guard him matchup nightmares. Then something's they play Barnes at the 3.
I know Barnes hit more 3's in college than Trey is, but we simply have to many options for Trey to just jack up 3's in our offense. He is a smart and composed player, who takes great shots. Trey's shot selection is simply incredibly poised for a freshman, Barnes used to jack up a lot of shots in UNC's uptempo offense and that team didn't have nearly the amount of options we do. If Trey jacked up a lot of 3's this season, a certain amount of them would find their way to the bottom of the net
Lyles will eventually hit a lot of threes for some NBA team, and his value lies in that he can play 3 or a 4 whether the coach wants to play small ball or not. The only reason peeple think Lyles is not capable of playing the 3 is that he won't be able to guard 3's in the league, I think personally he will be able to guard 3's and 4's and be just fine.
I think it's strange to put a defined label on Lyles, he will be able to play multiple positions in the league depending on whatever system he gets drafted into. He's a Swiss army knife of sorts and that will make him very valuable to many teams. Some guys never make it in the league because they are "tweeners" Well Trey is the complete opposite of a "tweener" imo he has the ability to play 3 or 4 and contribute significantly to a team.
My NBA comparison for Trey is a better Harrison Barnes, even though Harrison Barnes to his credit plays in a loaded system, if he was in NY per say, his numbers would look a ton better. I also like the Barnes comparison because he is versatile, sometimes Golden State and Kerr run him at the 4 and he is a better than expected post up player, and he can also spread out and give opposing 4's trying to guard him matchup nightmares. Then something's they play Barnes at the 3.
I know Barnes hit more 3's in college than Trey is, but we simply have to many options for Trey to just jack up 3's in our offense. He is a smart and composed player, who takes great shots. Trey's shot selection is simply incredibly poised for a freshman, Barnes used to jack up a lot of shots in UNC's uptempo offense and that team didn't have nearly the amount of options we do. If Trey jacked up a lot of 3's this season, a certain amount of them would find their way to the bottom of the net
A similar thread was made a day or two ago. I can almost guarantee Lyles will play exactly zero minutes at SF in his NBA career.
Pretty good body transformation Lyles has gone thru. Was a fat ass early in his HS career, and now seems a bit too thin for the PF atm.
Pretty good body transformation Lyles has gone thru. Was a fat ass early in his HS career, and now seems a bit too thin for the PF atm.
I think you should take a look at the starting SF's in the league. They would feast on Trey in my opinion. Trey is only going to get thicker and stronger. A quality stretch 4 who can hit the midrange, his 3pt shot will come, and with more strength be scoring option in the paint.
I honestly see no way the kid is a SF in the NBA. Barnes would take Lyles off the dribble, imagine what Wiggins, Leonard, etc would do to Trey in the open floor. Let's not even discuss Durant and Lebron here.
I don't care if he plays point guard for us next year as long as he is here!
I would imagine that Durant and Lebron would do to Trey Lyles what they do to most people in the NBA, who actually stops Lebron and Durant on a nightly basis, no one does. As for Wiggins and Leonard those are probably the two best up and coming SF in the NBA, they are going to give everyone trouble! It's not like anyone guarda those guys and completely renders them scoreless of something...
Anyhow, I truly do believe that Trey will play 3 in certain situations and certain lineups, he will play the 3 and the 4. Could I be wrong? Absolutely, really only time will tell
Anyhow, I truly do believe that Trey will play 3 in certain situations and certain lineups, he will play the 3 and the 4. Could I be wrong? Absolutely, really only time will tell
Bleed Blue you are dead on with every single thing you have said in this thread . I have no idea why people seem to think trey isn't a SF . He can shoot 3's . When he makes them they are dead on and even the 3's he misses are in and out . we don't need that from him but he can do it as his shot is smooth . I have no doubt he would make around 35 of 100 3's he took in game situations. And he is great off the dribble. He is alot like Barnes i agree and the Thaddeus Young is another great comparison. He isn't like an old school SF like Scottie Pippen or Ron Mercer but he isn't a modern PF like Al Horford or AD either . He is more like what i call the new school SF . And Barnes is a great example of that . Can post up and do the hook shot with the best of them but he excels in transitition and shooting the J.
Lyles isn't slow in the least . He isn't Kevin Durant fast but just go look at all the SF's in the NBA i promise you Lyles is as quick as half of them at least.
KAT & WCS have really masked his defensive struggles.
If Trey was stuck on last seasons team playing the 3, his lack of quickness would be exposed. It was on display last game. They took him off the bounce + made him chase people off-ball. He struggles with it at the college level. No way would he stick with NBA SFs.
Im kinda mind blown, because to me its so obvious he's not a SF, I'm surprised when people here actually project him to do it at the next level.
If Trey was stuck on last seasons team playing the 3, his lack of quickness would be exposed. It was on display last game. They took him off the bounce + made him chase people off-ball. He struggles with it at the college level. No way would he stick with NBA SFs.
Im kinda mind blown, because to me its so obvious he's not a SF, I'm surprised when people here actually project him to do it at the next level.
It's not necessarily his speed that's the problem. It's his ability to go around someone and create off the bounce. Right now he's closer to a 3 because of his lack of size. He has areas in which to improve at either position
He'll be a PF in the NBA...and a darn good one. I disagree with people who say he'll bulk up....he'll stay about the same weight and trade some baby fat for muscle...similar to the way the Harrison's changed their bodies from year 1 to 2.
In fact, my dream primary lineup (forget who starts), would be Lyles at the 4 along with Booker (3) and the Harrisons and KAT. Bring WCS off the bench for 25 minutes/game to terrorize the the second unit. Dakari and Lee would get mop up minutes only if we needed them. Ulis completes the three guard lineup. That's the ticket to cutting down the nets. Screw the platoon at this stage in the season.
In fact, my dream primary lineup (forget who starts), would be Lyles at the 4 along with Booker (3) and the Harrisons and KAT. Bring WCS off the bench for 25 minutes/game to terrorize the the second unit. Dakari and Lee would get mop up minutes only if we needed them. Ulis completes the three guard lineup. That's the ticket to cutting down the nets. Screw the platoon at this stage in the season.
I wonder how many NBA players have NOT gained weight from the age of 18?
Not saying he is going to go all Xavier McDaniel. He has the frame to put muscle on like you said and that usually results in weight gain. Agree though, too big for a SF.
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