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letter to my peers...

Apr 6, 2015
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Friends,



I am sure everyone reading this is as disappointed as I am with the result of the basketball game Saturday night, and while the loss was devastating, lets remember that there have been years where we didn't have anything to be excited about in the
fall. While I don't think we are close to making any sort of unprecedented run in football this year, I would like for all of us, unlike many of our beat writers, to turn our attention to the football team because this team is certainly good enough to warrant our attention.

I understand this is my first post and most of the time new posters are treated with the same respect as rival fans who cross over to troll, but I have had an idea, or plea if you will, percolating in my mind since the middle of last football season, and wanted to express my concerns with my fellow fans. A lot of the fan chatter that I see/hear on the internet and at the stadium concerning the Cats this spring and last fall has been criticizing our beat writers for not covering spring football. While I will agree with your frustration with the lack of coverage, I suspect it is for a much different reason.

Many of you our concerned with a quarterback competition between Patrick Towles and Drew Barker, which, in my mind, doesn't even feel like a debate. Patrick showed last year that he has the ability to make the throws we need him to make to keep us in football games. Furthermore, he had spurts last year where he showed that he could also be a real threat running
the football. His numbers weren't great, but that was in large part due to inconstant pass catching and often time's horrendous route running/communication by our receiving core. I agree that Barker deserves a look, but lets not jump off the Towles bandwagon just yet (just over a dozen starts has not nearly enough to make a decision).

With that being said I have a list of statistics I would like all of the "gung-ho" "Barker is our starter" fans to consider. These are SEC QB rankings in several categories:

Completions:

1. D. Thompson SC 270
2. B. Sims Bama 252
3. D. Prescott MSST 244
4. B. Wallace MISS 229
5. P. Towles UK 225

Yards:

1. D Thompson SC 3564
2. B. Sims Bama 3487
3. D Prescott MSST 3449
4. B. Wallace MISS 3194
5. P. Towles UK 2718

Sacks


1. P. Towles UK 36
2. B. Wallace MISS 31
3. J. Worley UT 29
4. D. Thompson SC 25
5. M. Mauk MIZZ 23

*poor o-line play more to blame???

Towels also ranked 7/14 in INT's in the SEC last year. If you ask me, middle of the road in INT's isn't terrible for a RS freshman and I would like to think that he will throw less than 9 this year which should move him up that list. I also understand that while completions and yards don't tell the entire story, and are also a product of the system each team runs, the point I am trying to make with these numbers is that the company these numbers put him in is worth considering. Furthermore, many of the "problems" people place on Towels are somewhat of a product of his sack, and drop numbers.

Lastly I would like to remind the many of you that I am sure disagree with me and are shaking your fist at the screen with every word I type. Commonwealth Stadium is stadium that screamed for Curtis Pulley over Andre Woodson, the same parking lots where talks about how much better of we would be with Ryan Mossakowski or Morgan Newton over Mike Hartline. So
before you tell me to never post another word on here again, think about those two scenarios and how much different they would be if a fan vote has decided our quarterback in those seasons. Now, ask yourself this; could this situation be at all the same? Could 2 more years of Patrick Towles be better than hitting the reset button with a redshirt freshmen quarterback who cant stay out of the newspapers of all of the wrong reasons?

I think the answer to both of those questions is…yes…absolutely yes…
Lets support Patrick and most importantly…support the Cats!
 
Dang I get the impression that you might be a relative of Towles. How about we support the QB that the coaching staff thinks should be the starter which ever one it may be.

I also think that Towles likely wins the competition but the coaching staff saw fit to have a competition so let see how it shakes out. I am sure they had a good reason for the competition.
 
The fact of the matter is this: against SEC competition, PT had a winning percentage of 25% as the starter. That is the reason the is a QB competition in Lexington. This is no way saying that PT is the ONLY reason that the season ended with six straight losses. But the QB performance did not improve as the season progressed. There were few times that the QB extended the play and broke the secondary down. Now, if you want to argue other cause and affects, fine, but PT did not perform like Mauk or Dodd, two QB's with similar experience and capabilities.
 
I guess the source of my frustration is that week after week i hear fans like yourself criticize the QB play, and in the very next sentence complain about o-line play and poor execution on the part of the skill positions. My point is, in previous years where the team has been less experienced and overall play has been poor, our fans jump immediately to QB play as the reason and call for the back-up or a "duel-QB system. I'm not so sure me, or the less vocal (majority) fan is ready to make that call. In fact, I will go as far as to say, i was impressed with how PT kept us in come games while lying on his back and running for his life (Miss St. game comes to mind).

My plea with the BBN is to simply stop wishing the next man up year after year after year, regardless of whether its PT, DB, or some 5* from who-knows-where. It would not surprise me in the least if the fact that Stoops IS saying there is a competition is to keep the fans off of his back while PT sits comfortably in the starting role.

For PT to have performed like Mauk or Dodd, he would have needed the same amount of support they got from their o-line and skill positions and i would be surprised if anyone who watched a healthy dose of game last year would say that he had that. I've never considered myself a "keyboard warrior" or someone who values their opinions so much i need to project them for the entire state to see but this is a topic i have been festering over since the middle of last season, and it has lead me to want to express it with other fans. This is my outlet if-you-will...
 
to fans that want to tell me how to think talk post or feel ........ there is a lil x in the upper right corner of your screen use it instead.
 
My apologies for offering an opinion other than your own. Really thought people could offer their differing opinions and maybe enlighten me to something i may be missing…sorry i expected more from you than you're capable of
 
Originally posted by fromthe25ydline:
The fact of the matter is this: against SEC competition, PT had a winning percentage of 25% as the starter. That is the reason the is a QB competition in Lexington. This is no way saying that PT is the ONLY reason that the season ended with six straight losses. But the QB performance did not improve as the season progressed. There were few times that the QB extended the play and broke the secondary down. Now, if you want to argue other cause and affects, fine, but PT did not perform like Mauk or Dodd, two QB's with similar experience and capabilities.
The funny thing about your post is that 25% is better in the SEC than our record for the previous dozen years. And most of those wins came against subpar programs named Vandy and MSU. Including the bowl game "glory years". In fact only one time in those dozen years did UK break even in the SEC, and no,, it wasn't in 07, it was in 06, only about the third time since Curci in the seventies that UK managed to break even in the SEC.

Coming off two consecutive years with ZERO SEC wins, I would classify it as showing some improvement.
 
There is no doubt that all things being equally any team is infinitely better off with an experienced hand behind center as opposed to a green RS freshmen with zero snaps. I also agree that from the beginning of time there are causal UK football fans that have trouble thinking past the quarterback position. They think it's either the answer or the blame for everything.

Towles had some great moments last year and he did put up some good numbers, but the numbers need to be tempered with the fact that we played a weaker schedule than most of the other teams. Also numbers aside, if you watched the games last year you can't help but notice that PT is still a work in progress. That raw talent is there but he is still unrefined in some areas, and hopefully he will have learned and grown this year.

Kentucky's offense struggled for a variety of reasons last year, and while there is no way you can blame the QB for all of it, he also has to accept his fair share, and in fact in his interviews he has done so.

Unless Barker morphs into Tom Brady this summer Towles will be the guy this year. He will have a better line and much deeper and experienced group of skill players surrounding him. A new OC with a QB background may also give him a boast. There are many reasons to be optimistic about UK's offense this year, including a more experienced and improved QB.
 
Originally posted by fromthe25ydline:
The fact of the matter is this: against SEC competition, PT had a winning percentage of 25% as the starter. That is the reason the is a QB competition in Lexington. This is no way saying that PT is the ONLY reason that the season ended with six straight losses. But the QB performance did not improve as the season progressed. There were few times that the QB extended the play and broke the secondary down. Now, if you want to argue other cause and affects, fine, but PT did not perform like Mauk or Dodd, two QB's with similar experience and capabilities.
The fact is the WHOLE team sucked against SEC opponents except Miss St and Fla, both games where Towles and the team all played well. This is a team sport, and the QB position is just one position where success is needed. If the defense can't tackle and the oline can't block, are they responsible for defeats or is it still on the QB. If kicker can't hit a field goal or a receiver can't catch a pass, is it also on the QB? QBs get too much credit for wins and too much credit for losses because like I said its a team game.
 
Towles was a RS sophomore last year not a RS freshman. There is no substitute for experience and Towles gets a pass for a lot of his struggles because of his relative inexperience and the lack of depth/experience in his supporting cast. Even having said that I was a little disappointed at how unpolished Towles was in his third year of college. Some of that falls on Patrick's coaches but some of that also falls on Towles. Towles didn't take his development seriously until last summer. Towles has said as much himself in interviews. He wasn't putting in the time away from practice until Stoops sat down with him when Jalen was named starter and again last Spring. It's part of the maturing process for college athletes. Some come in self motivated and some need to be push started at first
 
Originally posted by Deeeefense:


Kentucky's offense struggled for a variety of reasons last year, and while there is no way you can blame the QB for all of it, he also has to accept his fair share, and in fact in his interviews he has done so.
When I see as many threads and posts about the play of say, the TE, RT, LG, etc., as I do for the QB, I'll believe the QB needs to accept his "fair share" (LOL).
 
How dare you bring numbers and logic into this forum.

All kidding aside, besides misspelling Towles name, it was a pretty darn solid first post with some pretty legitimate point that I've been harping over and over again to all those who will listen.

You have to understand that there's a certain nostalgia around here for many concerning Barker. He was highly rated, he's from Kentucky, and he was part of, and helped build a magical recruiting class.

We aren't used to those kind of things around here. When we see highly rated recruit we think that automatically equal wins. (And it's funny because many on here seem to forget that Towles himself was about as highly rated as they come as a recruit, but that's an argument for another time).

I don't think many on here realize how rare and how low the odds would be for Barker to come in and even be AS GOOD as Towles was last year, much less better. What we saw last year is about as good as you're going to get from a first year starting underclassmen QB. For Barker to come in and even do as good would be very, very rare. By the way, Barker has had PLENTY of time to beat out Towles, and guess what? The coaches (now two different offensive coordinators) seem to be choosing Towles yet again. Could it be a conspiracy against Barker like many on here will probably suggest? I have my doubts. I'll put my money on Towles being the superior player.

Even though we have what many experts are calling the best passer in the SEC heading into next season (not to mention the best NFL QB prospect in the league and the guy with the strongest arm in the league (and perhaps the strongest arm on a UK QB EVER), we are already screaming for a COMPLETELY UNPROVEN backup. Think about that for a second. With all of the problems we have on this team, and all of the weaknesses and positions of need that we have, we're talking the most about the guy leading the strongest position on our team, not only that, but we're wanting to REPLACE him with a COMPLETELY UNPROVEN commodity who has had chances to beat out Towles, but hasn't done it (and from what the coaches are saying about how Towles is lighting it up this spring, I don't expect it to happen this year either).

I have no problem with people being excited about Barker, I myself was right there with them until I saw what we had in Towles (and understood what the odds would be that Barker would come in and play AS GOOD, much less better, than Towles).

I too want to see Barker shine like many of our experts on here, but I want it to be two years from now when Towles just finished being a first-round draft pick and first team All-SEC QB.

When you have a have a guy like Towles (who could be first team All-SEC this year) you don't talk about replacing him with a QB who hasn't even taken a single snap. People on here are talking like Barker was the #1 player in the nation coming out of high school. Was he a heck of a high school player? Yes, he was. Was he the prodigy that many on here are making him out to be? Not even close.

Guess who else was ranked as a four-star All-American QB coming out of high school? That's right, our starting QB for this year, Patrick Towles.

For every ten 4-star QB prospects there are out there, I would say 9 of them completely fail or fall well short of expectations. For every one Patrick Towles there are 5-10 (if not more) Ryan Mossakowski's and Morgan Newton's. Those guys were ranked as highly as Drew Barker coming out of high school, but guess what? That doesn't automatically equal success. Tennessee and Notre Dame bring in 3 or 4 four-star QB's (ranked higher than Barker) every single recruiting class; how many of those guys pan out? Usually not even one of them does.

Towles was highly rated AND he's actually producing and looks to be on the verge of a breakout All-SEC type season. You don't trade that in for a completely unproven player simply because he was highly rated coming out of high school. Barker has had his chances to beat out Towles (and he still has the summer), but if the coaches quotes (and Towles consistent high level play) are any indication, it's Towles job to lose (and the gap seems to be growing fairly large.

I mean, is that so wrong? I know it would take someone like Tom Brady or Peyton Manning to beat out Barker in many of our eyes, but my goodness, I think if two different offensive coordinators pick Towles (and media members across the nation are already gushing about what the kid will likely do this year) then maybe we should follow suit.

Maybe instead of worrying about whether we should bench the best player on our team we should worry about:

-the offensive line?
-special teams?
-the defensive line and replacing Bud and Z?
-linebackers?
-defense in general?

All of those things are areas where we struggled greatly a year ago. When the national media and CFB experts talk about this team Towles is one of (if not THE only) bright spot they point to outside of Boom.

Maybe we should worry more about the weak points above and improving them rather than talking about benching our best players.


A couple interesting points:

1. We had the SEC's 4th best passer last year (and we ran more than we threw on the season).

2. He's likely to improve (and could very well improve significantly like most QB's do between their first and second years as starter).

3. If Towles improves--even marginally--he'll be one of the top QB's in the league



Let that sink in for a minute.

Why do we want to replace THAT so badly? Are we that in love with playing Barker that we (Kentucky football fans who rarely, rarely experience success) want to bench what is possibly the SEC's best QB? I know Barker was highly rated, but my goodness. Some of you are acting like he was LeBron James coming out of high school.


Let's worry about the real problem areas on our team like o-line, d-line, linebackers and special teams.


Just a thought.









This post was edited on 4/15 1:01 AM by jnewc2
 
Originally posted by jnewc2:
How dare you bring numbers and logic into this forum.

All kidding aside, besides misspelling Towles name, it was a pretty darn solid first post with some pretty legitimate point that I've been harping over and over again to all those who will listen.

You have to understand that there's a certain nostalgia around here for many concerning Barker. He was highly rated, he's from Kentucky, and he was part of, and helped build a magical recruiting class.

We aren't used to those kind of things around here. When we see highly rated recruit we think that automatically equal wins. (And it's funny because many on here seem to forget that Towles himself was about as highly rated as they come as a recruit, but that's an argument for another time).

I don't think many on here realize how rare and how low the odds would be for Barker to come in and even be AS GOOD as Towles was last year, much less better. What we saw last year is about as good as you're going to get from a first year starting underclassmen QB. For Barker to come in and even do as good would be very, very rare. By the way, Barker has had PLENTY of time to beat out Towles, and guess what? The coaches (now two different offensive coordinators) seem to be choosing Towles yet again. Could it be a conspiracy against Barker like many on here will probably suggest? I have my doubts. I'll put my money on Towles being the superior player.

Even though we have what many experts are calling the best passer in the SEC heading into next season (not to mention the best NFL QB prospect in the league and the guy with the strongest arm in the league (and perhaps the strongest arm on a UK QB EVER), we are already screaming for a COMPLETELY UNPROVEN backup. Think about that for a second. With all of the problems we have on this team, and all of the weaknesses and positions of need that we have, we're talking the most about the guy leading the strongest position on our team, not only that, but we're wanting to REPLACE him with a COMPLETELY UNPROVEN commodity who has had chances to beat out Towles, but hasn't done it (and from what the coaches are saying about how Towles is lighting it up this spring, I don't expect it to happen this year either).

I have no problem with people being excited about Barker, I myself was right there with them until I saw what we had in Towles (and understood what the odds would be that Barker would come in and play AS GOOD, much less better, than Towles).

I too want to see Barker shine like many of our experts on here, but I want it to be two years from now when Towles just finished being a first-round draft pick and first team All-SEC QB.

When you have a have a guy like Towles (who could be first team All-SEC this year) you don't talk about replacing him with a QB who hasn't even taken a single snap. People on here are talking like Barker was the #1 player in the nation coming out of high school. Was he a heck of a high school player? Yes, he was. Was he the prodigy that many on here are making him out to be? Not even close.

Guess who else was ranked as a four-star All-American QB coming out of high school? That's right, our starting QB for this year, Patrick Towles.

For every ten 4-star QB prospects there are out there, I would say 9 of them completely fail or fall well short of expectations. For every one Patrick Towles there are 5-10 (if not more) Ryan Mossakowski's and Morgan Newton's. Those guys were ranked as highly as Drew Barker coming out of high school, but guess what? That doesn't automatically equal success. Tennessee and Notre Dame bring in 3 or 4 four-star QB's (ranked higher than Barker) every single recruiting class; how many of those guys pan out? Usually not even one of them does.

Towles was highly rated AND he's actually producing and looks to be on the verge of a breakout All-SEC type season. You don't trade that in for a completely unproven player simply because he was highly rated coming out of high school. Barker has had his chances to beat out Towles (and he still has the summer), but if the coaches quotes (and Towles consistent high level play) are any indication, it's Towles job to lose (and the gap seems to be growing fairly large.

I mean, is that so wrong? I know it would take someone like Tom Brady or Peyton Manning to beat out Barker in many of our eyes, but my goodness, I think if two different offensive coordinators pick Towles (and media members across the nation are already gushing about what the kid will likely do this year) then maybe we should follow suit.

Maybe instead of worrying about whether we should bench the best player on our team we should worry about:

-the offensive line?
-special teams?
-the defensive line and replacing Bud and Z?
-linebackers?
-defense in general?

All of those things are areas where we struggled greatly a year ago. When the national media and CFB experts talk about this team Towles is one of (if not THE only) bright spot they point to outside of Boom.

Maybe we should worry more about the weak points above and improving them rather than talking about benching our best players.


A couple interesting points:

1. We had the SEC's 4th best passer last year (and we ran more than we threw on the season).

2. He's likely to improve (and could very well improve significantly like most QB's do between their first and second years as starter).

3. If Towles improves--even marginally--he'll be one of the top QB's in the league



Let that sink in for a minute.

Why do we want to replace THAT so badly? Are we that in love with playing Barker that we (Kentucky football fans who rarely, rarely experience success) want to bench what is possibly the SEC's best QB? I know Barker was highly rated, but my goodness. Some of you are acting like he was LeBron James coming out of high school.


Let's worry about the real problem areas on our team like o-line, d-line, linebackers and special teams.


Just a thought.










This post was edited on 4/15 1:01 AM by jnewc2
I don't have a dog in this QB fight and only want the QB that gives UK its best chance to win to emerge.

I do however have this to say about Towles. He was not some great SEC QB last year like you are trying to make him out. He was the model of inconsistency. He ran hot and cold. I expect that because of his experience that he will be UKs QB this year but if he has not made some big steps forward in some areas he is not going to be any threat to be an All SEC QB. I hope he makes those steps forward but if he doesn't there is a good possibility we could see a QB change early. I just hope one of them can get the job done and I don't care which one.
 
Originally posted by SoKyCats:
My apologies for offering an opinion other than your own. Really thought people could offer their differing opinions and maybe enlighten me to something i may be missing…sorry i expected more from you than you're capable of
Dude you take yourself & your diatribe WAY to serious. Stop trying so hard.

Have an opinion on UK football, and don't suck. It ain't that difficult.

And toughen up a little bit if someone disagrees with your opinion, it ain't the end of the world.
 
My only purpose for this post was to express my thoughts on the QB situation and the reasons I thought a QB compatition was asinine. I thought maybe someone would offer reasons I was wrong (which I welcome with open arms) but instead I get treated like the worst kind of fan because a few people disagree. jnewc2 said exactly what I've been thinking about all offseason is a much better way than I. People act like Barker was a 5* QB and a blue chip, and we pulled PT out of some Pop Warner league in West Virginia. The FACT is, Commonwealth stadium does not support the growth of ANY of its Qbs. Football does not offer much instant gratification and building a team/position takes time. The question I asked was, IF you think Barker is the answer....why does PT not deserve the time to prove he can grow??? Sorry I'm so defensive but 2 people on this thread have made snarky remarks with NO insight as to why I'm wrong. What's wrong with telling me I'm wrong and why? Hell I may be missing something here and would love to know what it is. Maybe my days on here are numbered but I thought this experience would make me a more educated fan....


Was I wrong???
 
Originally posted by jauk11:
Originally posted by fromthe25ydline:
The fact of the matter is this: against SEC competition, PT had a winning percentage of 25% as the starter. That is the reason the is a QB competition in Lexington. This is no way saying that PT is the ONLY reason that the season ended with six straight losses. But the QB performance did not improve as the season progressed. There were few times that the QB extended the play and broke the secondary down. Now, if you want to argue other cause and affects, fine, but PT did not perform like Mauk or Dodd, two QB's with similar experience and capabilities.
The funny thing about your post is that 25% is better in the SEC than our record for the previous dozen years. And most of those wins came against subpar programs named Vandy and MSU. Including the bowl game "glory years". In fact only one time in those dozen years did UK break even in the SEC, and no,, it wasn't in 07, it was in 06, only about the third time since Curci in the seventies that UK managed to break even in the SEC.

Coming off two consecutive years with ZERO SEC wins, I would classify it as showing some improvement.
The only argument I'll make is it's time to try to get over the hump. Improvements were made but you can't just sit back and say you are satisfied bc the wins last year were better than past dozen or so in the SEC. Time to start taking it to the next level. The coaching staff wants that, the players want that, and the fans want that. If Towles wants to get over the hump, it's time for him to separate himself. I hate to compare SEC QB's with Towles bc the SEC QB competition was awful last year esp in the East. A lot of system QB's last year.

Towles has a lot of circumstances around him that were beyond his control but the talent around him is getting better and better each year so it's time to shine. I think the OC held him back last year to save face for his job hunting, but there is a competition this year with a RS freshman. The fact it even exists shows Towles didn't exactly blow anybody away last year. I'm for PT getting the nod bc it help keep fluidity in the offense but he'll have to prove it.
 
I was beyond thrilled with the way Towles performed last year. He's our QB for the next two years, and then he'll be a first round draft pick. Kid is a STUD!!
 
^The most popular player on most teams is the backup quarterback.
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So, is Morgan Newton going to start? ha!! I was in the boat with all of those people that thought Newton should start over Hartline. Well, I was very wrong. But the OP has some good points. I'm a Towles fan too. Glad he is improving and I look for him to do very well this fall.
 
Originally posted by Brock28:
I was beyond thrilled with the way Towles performed last year. He's our QB for the next two years, and then he'll be a first round draft pick. Kid is a STUD!!
Yes, I also was pleased with the way Towles played in 2014 as a 1st year starter. He gets far too much blame for the 6 game losing streak, when during many of those games SEC teams were gashing our defense like a hot knife through butter.

Not that outlandish to think he improves so much for 2015 that he leaves for the 2016 NFL draft. Got all the measurables for a QB at the next level, the height, the arm, and has way above average wheels.
 
Originally posted by kats23:

Originally posted by jauk11:
Originally posted by fromthe25ydline:
The fact of the matter is this: against SEC competition, PT had a winning percentage of 25% as the starter. That is the reason the is a QB competition in Lexington. This is no way saying that PT is the ONLY reason that the season ended with six straight losses. But the QB performance did not improve as the season progressed. There were few times that the QB extended the play and broke the secondary down. Now, if you want to argue other cause and affects, fine, but PT did not perform like Mauk or Dodd, two QB's with similar experience and capabilities.
The funny thing about your post is that 25% is better in the SEC than our record for the previous dozen years. And most of those wins came against subpar programs named Vandy and MSU. Including the bowl game "glory years". In fact only one time in those dozen years did UK break even in the SEC, and no,, it wasn't in 07, it was in 06, only about the third time since Curci in the seventies that UK managed to break even in the SEC.

Coming off two consecutive years with ZERO SEC wins, I would classify it as showing some improvement.
The only argument I'll make is it's time to try to get over the hump. Improvements were made but you can't just sit back and say you are satisfied bc the wins last year were better than past dozen or so in the SEC. Time to start taking it to the next level. The coaching staff wants that, the players want that, and the fans want that. If Towles wants to get over the hump, it's time for him to separate himself. I hate to compare SEC QB's with Towles bc the SEC QB competition was awful last year esp in the East. A lot of system QB's last year.

Towles has a lot of circumstances around him that were beyond his control but the talent around him is getting better and better each year so it's time to shine. I think the OC held him back last year to save face for his job hunting, but there is a competition this year with a RS freshman. The fact it even exists shows Towles didn't exactly blow anybody away last year. I'm for PT getting the nod bc it help keep fluidity in the offense but he'll have to prove it.
I agree with the basic idea of your post, just pointing out that in his second year Stoops has revived us from two winless seasons in the SEC to our average status for the past 12 years there.. And the future does look MUCH brighter.
 
Mr. Towles will be our starter and Mr. Barker will have his day to lead the Cats down the glory road.
 
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