Let's talk starting lineups...
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Yeah, pretty much this. Lee gets almost all 4/5 minutes, and Mulder/Matthews get all the 2/3 minutes. I think anytime Ulis is not at PG, either Briscoe or Murray will get his minutes there. I don't see much for the KY boys...unless they really step their games up this off-season.
G Ulis
G Briscoe
G Murray
F Poythress
F Labissiere
All year (barring injuries).
G Briscoe
G Murray
F Poythress
F Labissiere
All year (barring injuries).
PG Ulis (G)
SG Briscoe (G)
SF Murray (G)
PF Poythress (F)
C Labissiere (F)
I included the starting line-up traditional spots. I also put in () their position-less spots in the rotation. What will make us so great next year is exactly Cal's new mantra " We play position-less basketball at Kentucky." Just a coincidence? I think not....
SG Briscoe (G)
SF Murray (G)
PF Poythress (F)
C Labissiere (F)
I included the starting line-up traditional spots. I also put in () their position-less spots in the rotation. What will make us so great next year is exactly Cal's new mantra " We play position-less basketball at Kentucky." Just a coincidence? I think not....
That is one loaded starting five and no one in the country touches it talent wise.
Except maybe Golden St.
Except maybe Golden St.
Chemistry is my only concern as long as Poythress is healthy.
The pieces should fit as long as Cal manages the egos like he always does.
They should complement each other:
G Ulis- pure pass first PG that can knock down the open jumper.
G Briscoe- aggressive driver who can get to the rim to score or find the open man, decent shooter.
G Murray- can score from anywhere on the floor and can also find the open man.
F Poythress- can rebound and will score most of his points off misses from guards.
F Labissiere- good shooter to spread the defense, doesn't have to be force fed the ball in the post.
On offense, we have guards that can all handle and pass. Our forwards (including Lee) will score off rebounds and lobs from the guards. Labissiere being able to step out and shoot the jumper will help spacing. Poythress needs to work on improving his jumper, but he should be able to shoot well enough to help with spacing as well.
On defense, Ulis and Briscoe are beasts. They should wreak havoc on opposing back courts. Poythress, of course, is an excellent defender. Labissiere is a good rim protector. So is Lee. Matthews is known as a good defender as well. The question mark is Murray. I am not sure about his defense. Haven't seen enough of him to tell for sure.
Should be fun to watch this team if they fit together right. I think Cal will have them synced up and on the same page by March.
The pieces should fit as long as Cal manages the egos like he always does.
They should complement each other:
G Ulis- pure pass first PG that can knock down the open jumper.
G Briscoe- aggressive driver who can get to the rim to score or find the open man, decent shooter.
G Murray- can score from anywhere on the floor and can also find the open man.
F Poythress- can rebound and will score most of his points off misses from guards.
F Labissiere- good shooter to spread the defense, doesn't have to be force fed the ball in the post.
On offense, we have guards that can all handle and pass. Our forwards (including Lee) will score off rebounds and lobs from the guards. Labissiere being able to step out and shoot the jumper will help spacing. Poythress needs to work on improving his jumper, but he should be able to shoot well enough to help with spacing as well.
On defense, Ulis and Briscoe are beasts. They should wreak havoc on opposing back courts. Poythress, of course, is an excellent defender. Labissiere is a good rim protector. So is Lee. Matthews is known as a good defender as well. The question mark is Murray. I am not sure about his defense. Haven't seen enough of him to tell for sure.
Should be fun to watch this team if they fit together right. I think Cal will have them synced up and on the same page by March.
Backcourt: Ulis, Murray, Briscoe
Frontcourt: Poythress, Labissiere
Could see Lee starting early on if Poythress isn't ready to go.
bucsrule pretty much summed it up perfectly with that analysis. I'm really excited about the possibilities with our backcourt. Ulis, Briscoe, Murray, Matthews, Mulder, Hawkins. There will be no backcourt that's deeper or more skilled than that in college basketball next season. Makes subbing in and out seem almost unnoticeable. It's going to be quite difficult for other teams to determine what style they want to play against us. Run with us and get smoked on fast breaks and lobs, or play us in the half-court and get smoked on crisp passes, smooth drives, kickouts and 3's.
Frontcourt: Poythress, Labissiere
Could see Lee starting early on if Poythress isn't ready to go.
bucsrule pretty much summed it up perfectly with that analysis. I'm really excited about the possibilities with our backcourt. Ulis, Briscoe, Murray, Matthews, Mulder, Hawkins. There will be no backcourt that's deeper or more skilled than that in college basketball next season. Makes subbing in and out seem almost unnoticeable. It's going to be quite difficult for other teams to determine what style they want to play against us. Run with us and get smoked on fast breaks and lobs, or play us in the half-court and get smoked on crisp passes, smooth drives, kickouts and 3's.
We're really going to go back to a 7-8 man rotation which is Cal's pedigree.
Ullis - 30mpg
Briscoe - 32 mpg
Murray - 28 mpg
Poy - 28 mpg
Skai - 32 mpg
Lee - 20 mpg
Mulder - 15 mpg (assuming his shot is the difference between he and Matthews)
Matthews - 10 mpg (his physical defense gets him on floor alone)
Willis - 8-10 mpg (This is his year to get spot minutes with his length and hopefully his shot is going down...really needs to amp up his intensity on defense)
Hawkins...I can't see much of a role for him. We have plenty of PG depth to rest Ullis and has lack of shot and unsure of himself handling the ball in traffic is going to relish him to no time I'm afraid.
Wynard...who can know what to expect from a kid joining the team at the halfway point....he could crack the rotation inside with his bigger body (and kick Willis right out of minutes) or not play at all.
Ullis - 30mpg
Briscoe - 32 mpg
Murray - 28 mpg
Poy - 28 mpg
Skai - 32 mpg
Lee - 20 mpg
Mulder - 15 mpg (assuming his shot is the difference between he and Matthews)
Matthews - 10 mpg (his physical defense gets him on floor alone)
Willis - 8-10 mpg (This is his year to get spot minutes with his length and hopefully his shot is going down...really needs to amp up his intensity on defense)
Hawkins...I can't see much of a role for him. We have plenty of PG depth to rest Ullis and has lack of shot and unsure of himself handling the ball in traffic is going to relish him to no time I'm afraid.
Wynard...who can know what to expect from a kid joining the team at the halfway point....he could crack the rotation inside with his bigger body (and kick Willis right out of minutes) or not play at all.
I've been watching the cats since I was 5 years old so the 1996 team was the earliest I remember. So correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember a team quite like the one we will have this year. We have 3 count 'Em 3 guards who can control the rock! It'll be hard to press us and I don't remember having a team quite like that. I can only imagine how much this will help Alex
As soon as I meet with Cal, I'll get back to you. As of now, he's not talking to me, at least not until November.With the addition of Murray today:
I honestly don't know, so I'm hoping some of you can help me obsess all summer.
- Who will start in the first game of the season?
- Who will start once tournament time rolls around?
I guess a starting 5 with Poythress in it is loaded, but that guy has got to be more than the enigma he normally is.
I agree with that starting lineup. And the really cool thing about this team is how versatile it is. Almost everyone can play more than one position. It really opens our options up when dealing with different kinds of matchups.
I doubt we get HAMMERED on the board with Poythress and a 6'11 Skal. Once Cal teaches Skal how to go up and get a rebound he should average 8 or 9 a game.
Pos, player, minutes
PG Ulis/Briscoe/Murray 30/5/5
SG Briscoe/Matthews/Mulder 25/10/5
SF Murray/Mulder/Matthews 25/10/5
PF Poythress/Lee 30/10
C Skal/Lee 35/5
Willis spot duty
Hawkins spot duty
Floreal practice
IF Wynyard comes, he takes minutes from Lee (sorry Lee)
That's 8 main rotation guys. Cal must love that.
Basically, SG and SF will be the same role: slash slash slash and pop the open 3. Plenty of chances to create, but Briscoe and Murray will want to do some ballhandling too. Getting Murray means we don't really ever have to see Poy and SF, and I thank the gods for that. I see lobs being a big deal again, with three natural PGs driving into the lane. Poy, Skal and Lee should always be ready. Ulis and Briscoe are more natural PGs, while Murray is a flat out scorer, something we've lacked at times in recent years. I'm talking a go to, give him the ball and get out of the way scorer.
I think this group will be feistier. I liked last years cool and calm demeanor at times, but I'm ready for a brash, abrasive, "you're with us or you're against us" attitude. I want Ulis and Briscoe talking and scrapping on every play. I want Murray out there making his defender look bad and letting him know it. I want Poy and Skal dunking it as hard as they can each time, and swatting back garbage. After the spring we had, I want us to come out mean and nasty. I want the rest of CBB to hate us even more. I want opposing fans to curse at the TV when Ulis puffin' up on a 7 footer. I want to see some of the opposing players lose their cool because we won't let off the gas. Bring the hate and we'll bring #9.
PG Ulis/Briscoe/Murray 30/5/5
SG Briscoe/Matthews/Mulder 25/10/5
SF Murray/Mulder/Matthews 25/10/5
PF Poythress/Lee 30/10
C Skal/Lee 35/5
Willis spot duty
Hawkins spot duty
Floreal practice
IF Wynyard comes, he takes minutes from Lee (sorry Lee)
That's 8 main rotation guys. Cal must love that.
Basically, SG and SF will be the same role: slash slash slash and pop the open 3. Plenty of chances to create, but Briscoe and Murray will want to do some ballhandling too. Getting Murray means we don't really ever have to see Poy and SF, and I thank the gods for that. I see lobs being a big deal again, with three natural PGs driving into the lane. Poy, Skal and Lee should always be ready. Ulis and Briscoe are more natural PGs, while Murray is a flat out scorer, something we've lacked at times in recent years. I'm talking a go to, give him the ball and get out of the way scorer.
I think this group will be feistier. I liked last years cool and calm demeanor at times, but I'm ready for a brash, abrasive, "you're with us or you're against us" attitude. I want Ulis and Briscoe talking and scrapping on every play. I want Murray out there making his defender look bad and letting him know it. I want Poy and Skal dunking it as hard as they can each time, and swatting back garbage. After the spring we had, I want us to come out mean and nasty. I want the rest of CBB to hate us even more. I want opposing fans to curse at the TV when Ulis puffin' up on a 7 footer. I want to see some of the opposing players lose their cool because we won't let off the gas. Bring the hate and we'll bring #9.
Lol, we can sure count on our ray of sunshine, nothing wrong with being a devout homer.
Skal - 29min
Ulis - 29min
Briscoe - 29min
Murray - 29min
Poythress - 29min
Lee - 19min
Mulder - 11min
Willis - 10min
Matthews - 10min
Hawkins - 5min
Ulis - 29min
Briscoe - 29min
Murray - 29min
Poythress - 29min
Lee - 19min
Mulder - 11min
Willis - 10min
Matthews - 10min
Hawkins - 5min
When I look at that lineup, I do have to take it in for a minute. We will have a backcourt nightmare for other teams. 2 are tough as nails, all 3 are 3 pt threats and 2 are big scorers. 2 are defensive beasts. Then you have a super talented Skal behind them to who is also a big scorer and Poy who, if he is back to himself, can dominate any game he chooses just off his energy and freak athleticism. Ok, that's the first 5. The other 5 guys would be starters at most D1 schools. It's going to be a very interesting season, lots more swagger on this team.
Pretty close to what I'm thinking, but I think Hawkins will play more than Matthews just due to the experience factor.
Matthews gets more minutes because of ability to play SF.. more of a hole, by far, than SG.
I know it's close to the same thing, but as I was doing my depth chart, the SG spots are filled and SF gets a little more dicey.
How do you figure we get hammered? Our 3-4-5 positions are 6-5, 6-7 and 6-11....not to mention Briscoe being 6-3. We aren't the tallest team in the country like a few years back, but we aren't from Munchkinland either.
My ideal starting 5 is the same as I think everybody has posted.
Ulis
Briscoe
Murray
Poythress
Skal
The way I see it we have a 5 man rotation at 3 spots (1-3) with of course at least one of Ulis, Briscoe or Murray on the floor at all times. And we have a 3 man rotation at the 4-5 spots, with Lee being the back up to these 2 positions.
Ulis
Briscoe
Murray
Poythress
Skal
The way I see it we have a 5 man rotation at 3 spots (1-3) with of course at least one of Ulis, Briscoe or Murray on the floor at all times. And we have a 3 man rotation at the 4-5 spots, with Lee being the back up to these 2 positions.
This guy gets it. You have to hand it to some of our posters still giving certain guys' minutes who most of us know are not going to get them. The 8 you listed will get 99% of the minutes, unless foul trouble occurs, and I'm talking massive front court foul trouble. Foul trouble will never be bad enough in the back court for anyone other than Ulis, Briscoe, or Murray at the PG spot, never be be bad enough for anyone other than Murray, Briscoe or Mulder at the SG spot, and never bad enough for anyone other than Murray, Matthews, or Mulder at the SF spot.
I wouldn't be surprised if Muldur plays a lot more minutes than Murray due to a more reliable shot and a more mature feel for the game. My understanding is that the Murray we saw in the Nike game is not the Murray who usually shows up. Of course, if Murray has suddenly become that guy from the Nike game, then katy bar the door. The Murray in the Nike game was the best high school guard I've ever seen.
That uncertainty is why they play the games.
That uncertainty is why they play the games.
Hate to say it....
We will have a duke type backcourt next year. Lots of good skilled ,interchangeable pieces.
We will have a duke type backcourt next year. Lots of good skilled ,interchangeable pieces.
If that is so, I hope they get the calls that Dook's guards get... and we pile on some points at the FT line.
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With Poy in the post (if Skal is in foul trouble), you have a 2015 version of Rupp's Runts.
Ulis - Dampier
Briscoe - Riley
Murray - Kron
Mulder/Mathews - Conley
Poy - Jaracz
Ulis - Dampier
Briscoe - Riley
Murray - Kron
Mulder/Mathews - Conley
Poy - Jaracz
I agree, but I don't hate to say it at all.
Our backcourt will have Duke-type skills, only with the toughness, grit and swagger of a UK backcourt to go along with it. Best of both worlds.
UK got to the line a lot last year early on in the OOC. Then we get to the SEC and they start letting teams beat on us...and UK never really got the attempts it deserved against Wisconsin. UK shot 5 three's, went inside at a will and shot 10 FTs. That includes 3 in the final minute when the game was pretty much over. Very frustrating but I digress.
Totally disagree with this. Murray most likely has the best offensive skill set on the team.
Totally disagree?
I said "I wouldn't be surprised." So, by totally disagreeing with me, are you saying that I would be surprised?
I said, "That uncertainty ..." So, by totally disagreeing with me, are you saying that there's certainty? But if there's certainty what does "most likely" mean?
Murray shot under 40% from 3 against HS competition. Muldur shot over 40% from 3 against older players. So, purely as a statistical matter I wouldn't be surprised to find Muldur getting more minutes. Experience matters and skill matters. Why wouldn't the combination matter? Murray's the most recent recruit, and we were all pleased to see his play at Nike, but not so much that I'd automatically dismiss someone who already has college achievement.
Muldur may seem like a recruiting afterthought, but isn't that also true of someone who wasn't secured until late in June?
Ulis
Brsicoe
Murray
Poythress
Labisiere
first off bench- Lee
second off bench-Matthews
third off the bench-Mulder
Brsicoe
Murray
Poythress
Labisiere
first off bench- Lee
second off bench-Matthews
third off the bench-Mulder
I will add that is more fun and exciting to guess our lineup and rotation with Murray now on board.
I could see bringing Poythress off the bench because of the versatility it gives us. Cal loves a first guy off the bench that's kind of a tweener that gives him flexibility to pull any of his five starters. I could see this:
Ulis
Briscoe
Murray
Lee
Skal
With Poy and Mulder as the first two off the bench. He could pull any of the starters for those two. For example, let's say Skal picks up two quick fouls and Ulis gets a tech. Cal could sub in Poy and Mulder, which gives us:
Briscoe
Murray
Mulder
Poythress
Lee
Either way, I see a pretty tight 7-8 man rotation. Best position battle will probably be between Mulder and Matthews for the bigger chunk of wing minutes. I don't see a second semester Wynyard or Willis getting more than Eloy Vargas minutes.
Ulis
Briscoe
Murray
Lee
Skal
With Poy and Mulder as the first two off the bench. He could pull any of the starters for those two. For example, let's say Skal picks up two quick fouls and Ulis gets a tech. Cal could sub in Poy and Mulder, which gives us:
Briscoe
Murray
Mulder
Poythress
Lee
Either way, I see a pretty tight 7-8 man rotation. Best position battle will probably be between Mulder and Matthews for the bigger chunk of wing minutes. I don't see a second semester Wynyard or Willis getting more than Eloy Vargas minutes.
