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[rojas]

First, let me preface this by saying I am not a UNC hater. However, I do find their current predicament very interesting. Most of the comments that I have read on message boards of rival fan bases, and the UNC fan base as well, have been concerned with what the NCAA will or will not do to punish UNC. However, the latest newspaper articles that I have read on the subject have convinced me the NCAA is the least of UNC's concerns at this point. In the last 60 days the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools (SACS), the agency that colleges in our region of the United States depends on to award accreditation, has very serious issues with UNC. UNC is in danger of losing all accreditation. This would render a degree from UNC as useless. In my hometown of London, KY we had a small school that had been in existence for 100 years go defunct because they lost their accreditation from SACS. Sue Bennett College lost their accreditation for far less infractions than what UNC has committed. SBC's infractions were financial instead of academic.

It seems in the last 60 days SACS and UNC are trying feverishly to try to keep UNC accredited. SACS representatives have made the comment that it was not fair for actual students that earned legit degrees from UNC to have their degrees cheapened by students taking classes that in reality do not never existed. SACS does not care in the least if the students were athletes or not. The SACS representative has made the suggestion that UNC could maybe save their accreditation by offering every single student that took classes in the Africa and African American Studies program and obtained a degree a chance to come back to UNC and obtain a legit degree free of charge.

I think the UNC will find a way not to lose accreditation. However, as far as the top brass at UNC goes, NCAA penalties are small potatoes compared to the potential lose of accreditation from SACS.
This post was edited on 1/9 1:13 PM by rojas

 

[martinsm30]

You should review this thread:

SACS extends UNC*** deadline

 

[TankedCat]

I understand what you are saying and its probably 100% right.

However UNC , in an effort to give their athletics an unfair advantages risked their accreditation, and then when they were caught, threw their academics under the bus in an effort to save their athletics.

Unless SACS has ever took accreditation away from a state school the size of Carolina (which they may have but I find highly unlikely) I can't imagine SACS making a decision of that magnitude for a college so well known in academic circles as UNC.

However I can see the NCAA invoking some punishment to UNC athletics - and based on based precedent it would involve wins and possibly titles.

While nothing would surprise me, I would assume this is probably the logic the casual observer is following in the Carolina scandal.

 

[westerncat]

Originally posted by TankedCat:
I understand what you are saying and its probably 100% right.

However UNC , in an effort to give their athletics an unfair advantages risked their accreditation, and then when they were caught, threw their academics under the bus in an effort to save their athletics.

Unless SACS has ever took accreditation away from a state school the size of Carolina (which they may have but I find highly unlikely) I can't imagine SACS making a decision of that magnitude for a college so well known in academic circles as UNC.

However I can see the NCAA invoking some punishment to UNC athletics - and based on based precedent it would involve wins and possibly titles.

While nothing would surprise me, I would assume this is probably the logic the casual observer is following in the Carolina scandal.

I will be shocked if UNC*** cheats loose their accreditation. There is just to much cheating going on even with government officials. I am still in the belief that the NCAA will not do much to those cheaters as well.

This post was edited on 1/9 1:58 PM by westerncat

 

[docholiday51]

Could they lose accreditation in certain areas of study or majors.?

 

[rojas]

Originally posted by martinsm30:

You should review this thread:

SACS extends UNC*** deadline

Yes they did. They are trying to find a way to save UNC's accreditation.

 

[rojas]

Originally posted by TankedCat:
I understand what you are saying and its probably 100% right.

However UNC , in an effort to give their athletics an unfair advantages risked their accreditation, and then when they were caught, threw their academics under the bus in an effort to save their athletics.

Unless SACS has ever took accreditation away from a state school the size of Carolina (which they may have but I find highly unlikely) I can't imagine SACS making a decision of that magnitude for a college so well known in academic circles as UNC.

However I can see the NCAA invoking some punishment to UNC athletics - and based on based precedent it would involve wins and possibly titles.

While nothing would surprise me, I would assume this is probably the logic the casual observer is following in the Carolina scandal.

I agree. I don't think they will either. However, that is the main concern now. Not the NCAA.

 

[DDS62]

Originally posted by westerncat:

Originally posted by TankedCat:
I understand what you are saying and its probably 100% right.

However UNC , in an effort to give their athletics an unfair advantages risked their accreditation, and then when they were caught, threw their academics under the bus in an effort to save their athletics.

Unless SACS has ever took accreditation away from a state school the size of Carolina (which they may have but I find highly unlikely) I can't imagine SACS making a decision of that magnitude for a college so well known in academic circles as UNC.

However I can see the NCAA invoking some punishment to UNC athletics - and based on based precedent it would involve wins and possibly titles.

While nothing would surprise me, I would assume this is probably the logic the casual observer is following in the Carolina scandal.

I will be shocked if UNC*** cheats loose their accreditation. There is just to much cheating going on even with government officials. I am still in the belief that the NCAA will do much to those cheaters as well.

I will be shocked also. On every level this once great nation that was a true Democracy supported by laws based on equality, has evolved into a true Oligarcy. I see nothing much being done to UNC because in every institution that could take action against UNC there exists a few powerful people that will manage to circumvent any rules or laws being inacted that require penalties to be levied. That would include the State Government, the University itself, the NCAA, and finally the Federal Government. All of these institutions have rules and laws on the books that could be used to see to it that UNC is penalized for their transgretions. But there are also within each of these institutions a few strong men and a lot of "yes men".

 

[jameslee32]

Something tells me that college presidents that worship at the alter of the almighty dollar, are not one bit concerned about a toothless NCAA and the accreditation of anything other than ESPN, Fox and CBS TV ratings.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

Zero chance they lose accreditation.

 

[uk78]

No, at best they will present an "action plan" of how they have rectified this matter (fired the guilty, what they have established as oversight, etc.). Zero chance of anything substantial happening.

 

[ukcatsfan2]

Originally posted by DDS62:

Originally posted by westerncat:

Originally posted by TankedCat:
I understand what you are saying and its probably 100% right.

However UNC , in an effort to give their athletics an unfair advantages risked their accreditation, and then when they were caught, threw their academics under the bus in an effort to save their athletics.

Unless SACS has ever took accreditation away from a state school the size of Carolina (which they may have but I find highly unlikely) I can't imagine SACS making a decision of that magnitude for a college so well known in academic circles as UNC.

However I can see the NCAA invoking some punishment to UNC athletics - and based on based precedent it would involve wins and possibly titles.

While nothing would surprise me, I would assume this is probably the logic the casual observer is following in the Carolina scandal.

I will be shocked if UNC*** cheats loose their accreditation. There is just to much cheating going on even with government officials. I am still in the belief that the NCAA will do much to those cheaters as well.

I will be shocked also. On every level this once great nation that was a true Democracy supported by laws based on equality, has evolved into a true Oligarcy. I see nothing much being done to UNC because in every institution that could take action against UNC there exists a few powerful people that will manage to circumvent any rules or laws being inacted that require penalties to be levied. That would include the State Government, the University itself, the NCAA, and finally the Federal Government. All of these institutions have rules and laws on the books that could be used to see to it that UNC is penalized for their transgretions. But there are also within each of these institutions a few strong men and a lot of "yes men".

If you are going to use words like Oligarcy and transgretions you should at least spell them correctly. Hell, I had to look them up to understand their meaning.... Other than that, i agree somewhat. It's gotta be either an Academic issue or and Athletic issue. Either face the SACS or the NCAA and they have got to penalize this....

 

[DS849]

Originally posted by docholiday51:

Could they lose accreditation in certain areas of study or majors.?

You are correct. More than likely not the entire school but certain colleges in the University could lose accreditation. A college I know of was under review a few years ago and was given time to show improvements to keep it. Doesn't mean they will lose it just make amends.

 

[Samwise Ganjee]

OP, you probably are not aware that SACS already made UNC contact students in the bogus AFAM curriculum and offer them free replacement courses only last year. However, the magnitude, the numbers of students involved, in the scam was thought at that time to be only a few as UNC had misled SACS and described their situation as "one rogue faculty and a secretary".

Of course, that lie has now blown up in UNCheat's face and it is and was a widely known, substantially subscribed (to the number of over three thousand students, half of whom were athletes) fraud perpetrated by no less than the Faculty Ethics leader and women's basketball academic director (the same person), among others for nearly two decades.

Accreditation is not a partial or semi-qualified statement of value. It is either all or none. Will SACS bring down an entire university, a large one, a public one at that? I seriously doubt it, unless it immediately issues a "stay" of that action with probationary terms for a lengthy period of time. Or SACS could just put specific sanctions on UNCheat or a department if it desires.

As to the NCAA, the organization is so incompetent and so corrupt that there is no guessing what they will do. I posted just the other day the remarkable data that during Roy Williams tenure at UNCheat the numbers of athletes enrolled in bogus AFAM classes exploded to TRIPLE the number during Dean Smith's career at the school---a career that ran for thirty years, three-times as long as Roy has been there. The numbers were astounding and far out of line with the two coaches prior to Roy: Dougherty and Guthridge.

By all rights and by precedent UNCheat should lose wins and titles, even championships. To spare the sword for UNCheat when other schools (i.e. UK, Memphis, UMass, WKU etc.) have been taken out behind the woodshed and beaten like mules would completely undermine the NCAA's authority. No school going forward would be at all serious in dealing with them on any issue that might involve discipline and rightly so.

Finally, someone or something will have to account to the US government for the Pell Grant fraud that followed by issuing bogus grades to students at UNCheat. The money was distributed in part on the basis of academic performance, which we all know how was fraudulent and a sham.

 

[Rockford]

I'v been in the education field my entire adult life.

Less than zero chance UNC loses their accreditation.