Kirk Ferentz new contract
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Leaving Stoops alone for the foreseeable future
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I’ll wouldn’t pay $7 for season tickets to watch his teams play other B1G teams. Not to be a prick but there must not be a whole lot going on in that part of the country.
I know a few Hawkeye fans… I doubt they are truly excited about the news but at the same time, he has a solid program. Nothing flashy but they are absolutely solid and a respectable program. They could have done much worse.
He needs to follow Stoops’s lead and hire an innovative OC…they have a solid team, deep and fundamentally sound, they’d beat the 2 Michigan schools on a regular basis
They do. But ferernz son is the OC…so those never go well
That’s the problem hiring family. Clearly he needs to make a move, Stoops has to fire Gran, who was a good friend, look at the immediate results…we don’t getLevis without making that move
Kinda reminds me of Richt, good man, good coach, but just isn't going to get over that hump.
But he only has about 5% of the recruiting base of Mark Richt you have to give him credit for that too
The contract extension was expected because there's been an increase in negative recruiting against Iowa with Ferentz's age (he'll be 67 in 2022) and the rumor of impending retirement because of it.
You need to understand how/why contracts work and the timing of them.
I think I've shown the past couple months here I'm pretty well connected with my thoughts about goings-on with Iowa football. So with that said:
1) Kirk won't fulfill his contract through 2029 and coach till he's 74/75 years old. He will retire likely in another 3/4 years.....but performance on the field will best determine that.
2) If indeed Kirk does call it a career in another 3/4 years, Mark Stoops, in all probability, as I mentioned here before, "likely" will be the #1 candidate they will target. However, in that timeframe, lots of new candidates for many reasons could always come into play.
I do understand and I'm sure Stoops will be a target. I'm still pretty certain he won't leave.
I wouldn't say this is true at all. FAR MORE Hawkeye fans love Kirk Ferentz than don't and wish he'd coach at Iowa forever. Take a close look at Kirk's career and there's been a tremendous amount accomplished-- including 4 Top 10 final poll finishes during his time, 7 seasons of 10 wins or more. 9 seasons of 9 wins or more. You have a great coach but he's been able to do this two times so far so it shows just how damn tough it is to reach this achievement.
On top of this look at what Iowa's record has been over just very recent years (63-25 since 2015) -- quite damn impressive. And now the past two recruiting classes have been two of his best ever at Iowa.
I love Mark Stoops as I've repeatedly said here, but in all due respect to him, if he accomplishes at UK in his time there what KF has achieved at Iowa so far I know you'd all be very happy.
As for me, I admit at times I get "Ferentz Fatigue" mostly just because like anything, you have the same thing for 23 years and at times you get an itch to want something a bit different-- maybe not even completely appreciating all you already have. I should probably better appreciate the 9 9+-win seasons Kirk has delivered to Iowa so far.
In the end, wins and strong performance still need to happen on the field. We will see how it all plays out.
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If anything I've ever learned, predicting the future on anything is almost impossible-- so many factors and things often are very fluid. If UK hits a tough patch for 2-3 years, some of you will probably want him to leave...it's a "what have you done for me lately society". We've seen it at Iowa through the years. You've likely seen it at UK through the years in various sports.
Bottom line: Kirk was going to be at Iowa likely 3-4 years BEFORE this extension was signed....and he will likely be at Iowa now 3-4 more years AFTER the extension was signed. Nothing has changed. I just don't get too worked up at "what if's" that are likely 3-4 years out.
Exhibit A as to why it's never a great idea to hire relatives.
Before anyone mentions it, I would point out Mike and Mark have a prior working relationship so that road has been successfully navigated already.
Agree. The offensive scheme Iowa has always gone with is his choosing. Hiring his son as OC just wasn't a smart move in my mind for many reasons.
What's getting over the hump?
Check out the top 10 finishes and 10-win seasons.
For the record, 7 10+-win seasons and 9 9+-won seasons. That shabby? Did you know this happened at Iowa? Mark Stoops has done this 2 times so far and believe mee, I think Stoops is a GREAT coach for UK. Would you be happy if Mark achieves 9+-wins 7 more times at UK before he retires? Bet you'd be.
Do we expect national titles at Iowa? Do we think every year we'll be neck and neck with Ohio State for B1G supremacy? Probably very tough for those to ever happen in being a realist.
What are your expectations for UK football? I'm curious. SEC titles? National titles?
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Looked to me the play calls and design were fine. They just need a QB. Against us they almost always had people wide open, sometimes for a big gain, but could never get the ball there.
Exactly. Our QB play was absolutely horrible in 2021. Absolutely horrible.
Agree. NEVER should relatives be on the payroll.
As for Mike Stoops coming in there as an assistant, I hope you are right regarding the Mark-Mike dynamic.
While at Oklahoma, Bob did put up with Mike as his DC but took TONS of heat for the defensive performance under Mike's watch. Very shortly after Bob retired Lincoln Riley fired Mike as the DC.
I think Mark could have found a better LB coach than brother Mike based on Mike's coach performance of the past. But Mark decided he trusted brother Mike most but trust me-- there's tons of danger in a family member working for you. Ask Kirk Ferentz about the heat he gets for having son Brian as his OC or Iowa basketball coach Fran McCaffery on the heat he takes for having two sons playing for him.
I would be thrilled to occupy the same place in the SEC that Iowa and Wisconsin have achieved in the Big 10 over the last 20 years. Absolutely thrilled.
We simply don't have the recruiting base that Alabama Georgia and Florida have to ever consistently play for the SEC championship year in and year out
We simply don't have the recruiting base that Alabama Georgia and Florida have to ever consistently play for the SEC championship year in and year out
Thanks Tskware-- we have little to complain about with Iowa football over the last 40 years actually.
We have the same issue with the recruiting base. If the state of Iowa produces even 8 DI prospects in a year that's considered outstanding. Then we must compete with Iowa State, Nebraska, Notre Dame, and others for those kids (though we've been lucky enough to usually keep most of the top kids in-state).
We will NEVER be Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State as it relates to Blue Blood recruiting base power. The majority of kids we recruit must come from out-of-state. Just like Kentucky.
So did the teams he played. Everyone ignores Bama, Clemson, FSU, UF. OU, OSU and every other program recruit Georgia harder than their home state. All those schools have 1000's of alumni and fans in metro Atlanta and many of these kids have only been in Georgia 2-3 years. If they were 3rd generation Georgia residents it would be big advantage. Example, top player in Georgia for 23, dad was OU player, mom was a UK volleyball player. He has been in Georgia 3-4 years, how does UGA have an edge?
Well, you can't take anything for granted in the SEC, but come on now, the all city team in Atlanta would beat the Kentucky all state team by 5 touchdowns 9 years out of every 10, UGA can recruit within 100 miles of campus and find 100 3, 4 and 5 star players to pick from. You can't tell me with a straight face that Georgia doesn't have a huge built in recruiting advantage that very few other schools can match (and you named those few in your post)
Not that this is intended to take away from their NC, which was well deserved.
There is a lot of talent in Georgia, and 20 years ago it may have been a huge advantage, but today it isn't. We had almost as many kids from California as we did from the city of Atlanta this year. If you could only recruit and sign kids from your home state I would feel pretty dang good about our position but that isn't the cases. Look at the rosters of the playoff teams, top 10-15 teams, all of them have kids from Georgia on them and many aren't from Georgia. Michigan and at least 1 former 5* from Georgia, and more from the state. It isn't like everyone says, oh they are in Georgia lets not recruit them. Does UK try to sign Georgia kids? Thank Mark Richt for the Vol downfall, he stopped them from taking the top kids out of Georgia every year, now they are excited to get a top 30 player.
Grumpyolddawg is our resident Georgia fan, rucker, and comes from a different world of expectations . . . . I think Georgia’s bowl streak is in the mid-thirties, now, and double-digit winning seasons are pretty normal for them,
They had a lengthy drought for national titles, from 1980 until 2022, and Georgia fans tend to focus on the Richt years as lost opportunities: his recruiting averaged in the Top 10, but they couldn’t get over “the hump” of being seriously competitive for a national title.
Richt did a good job recruiting skill type athletes during his time in Athens, He did cut off UT's access to the top Georgia talent in that area. He recruited top 10 most years, actually all but 1 or 2 I guess. But he basically ignored both lines. When Kirby arrived there was zero OT on the roster, we took a grad transfer from an FCS school to play LT and moved the longest OG to RT. But that changed with Kirby and Sam Pittman and Trey Scott or OL and DL coaches. We don't recruit WR very well, looking like our WR coach may be headed to LSU, my hope is Hines Ward is his replacement, not many college coaches can wear a SB MVP ring in for the WR recruits and a Dancing with the Stars trophies for the Mamas.
My hunch is about any Georgia has zero idea what it's like to be an Iowa or Kentucky football fan that does not have the same built-in advantages as does a Georgia. Not taking away from Georgia-- just stating a reality.
They would come unglued if they didn't have a top 10 recruiting class nationally-- hell, likely get that way if they didn't land a top 5 class. At Iowa, in my lifetime, the highest ranked class we ever have had at Iowa is #11 ad that was 15 years ago. Just landing in the top 25 range the past two years has been massive!
So with all this said, and honestly accepting things the way they are, I'm happy that in 23 years at Iowa Kirk Ferentz has manufactured 9 seasons of 9 wins or more and 7 of those years 10 wins or more and 2 years undefeated in B1G conference play.
And here's maybe what would be most shocking to Grumpy:
At the start of this NFL season, Georgia had 35 of its players on an NFL roster-- Iowa had 33. Georgia had the 4th most overall of all schools and Iowa was tied for 6th most with Clemson. Yes little ol' Iowa had more guys currently in the NFL than schools like Florida, Michigan, Oklahoma, Penn State, Texas......on and on. Proud of that!
He is a good coach, would never dispute that. He is old school though. That’s cool with me personally, I just don’t think you can have top ten program unless you got a little swag. Ferentz doesn’t bring “swag”. I love his demeanor, ethic, program, your right, it’s damn impressive. Just don’t think he brings in the recruits to play big time football in a national stage… though I wish it did. I think more Hawkeye fans would agree more than disagree. I still really like the Hawkeyes and their program regardless. All the best… truly.
Kentucky and Alabama have roughly the same population, Bama is in the top 3 every at least every year and doesn't have those built in advantages, yet they are top 3 at least every year in recruiting. Louisiana is the same population as Kentucky and LSU is almost always in the top 5 classes. So those built in advantages aren't really all that big of an advantage., Prior to Kirby UGA recruited decent, usually top 10 but mostly 7-15, which isn't bad, but Kirby wouldn't accept that. Every coach he hired had to be a proven recruiter, the lone one who wasn't lasted 1 season.. If it's such an advantage, why doesnt GT and Ga. State do better? Both are downtown Atlanta and have stadiums in the middle of downtown. Until Monday night Tech had a more recent NC that UGA did.
Grumpy, now you are playing games.
Kentucky and Iowa have less than 10 percent African American population, and both are surrounded by states that are the same.
Alabama, Louisiana and Georgia have at least 25 percent African American population and go just one state in any direction from each, and it is the same.
You’ve made the point, repeatedly, in other threads, that state talent doesn’t define championships, yet you use a straight up state population measure as proof of anything?
The difference between Kirby and Richt is that Kirby gets quantity from outside the region and Richt and staff could sit on their ass and recruit a Top 10 Class from 150 miles
of campus.
The point of my and the Hawk’s comments is
WE CANNOT PULL TOP 20 CLASSES FROM
CLOSE TO HOME.
Hence, “getting over the hump” (a subjective term in any setting) is different for
the respective fan bases.
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Uh, if it is not an advantage, why have over 50% of national titles since 1998 been won by (1) Georgia, or (2) schools in states that border Georgia?
[Actually 62.5% of national titles since the advent of the BCS/Playoffs have now been won by Georgia or a school in a state bordering Georgia!].
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How do you explain UK'success in BB recruiting? That sport is AA dominated more than football. Practically no recruiting base but are at or very near the top every year.
It all comes down to the relationships the coaches develope with the recruits and can they get the players to the next level. That matters more over location, winning or anything else.
Easy.
We had 5 national championships in basketball (more than UGA and UF combined in football, today) prior to the broad integration of college athletics in the 1970’s, and were established enough to go anywhere in the world for talent.
His son makes almost $900,000 a year. Where else would he find a job that would pay that?
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