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After Tuesday night’s basketball brawl, the University of Kansas student body president expressed concern over the pattern of “violence” surrounding the program and the Board of Regents chair suggested he would be discussing the matter with university CEOs.

The Tuesday night brawl was not the first instance in recent years in which University of Kansas men’s basketball players have come under fire for undisciplined behavior.

In December of 2016, men’s basketball player Josh Jackson was accused of arguing with KU women’s basketball player McKenzie Calvert outside a Lawrence bar. During that argument, he reportedly hit and kicked Calvert’s car while “yelling for her to get out of the car and that he would beat” her, the Journal-World previously reported.

That same month, a 16-year-old was reportedly raped in McCarthy Hall, which houses the men’s basketball team. All five witnesses listed in the rape report were 2016-17 KU men’s basketball team members, the Journal-World reported at the time. Charges were never filed, however, because of insufficient evidence.

In January of 2017, men’s basketball player Carlton Bragg Jr. was suspended from the basketball team for violating team rules. Months earlier, Bragg was the suspect in a battery report in which a man closed a door on a woman’s arm, causing bruising.

Also in January of 2017, the Kansas City Star reported that a KU investigation found it likely that men’s basketball player Lagerald Vick punched a female student multiple times in the arm and kicked her in the face in late 2015.

This academic year, the men’s basketball program is undergoing an investigation by the NCAA and the athletic department received national attention this past fall after Snoop Dogg’s risque Late Night in the Phog performance — which included pole dancers and money guns.

Floyd called yesterday’s brawl the “perfect opportunity” for the team and athletic department to take increased steps to “talk to the team ... maybe look into who they are recruiting.”

She said she’s noticed a pattern of “either violence or anger both on and off the court," and she suggested the potential need for an anger management counselor.

Though Floyd felt that K-State instigated the brawl and didn’t believe De Sousa should be suspended, she said she understood that some type of public disciplinary action must be taken and that the whole brawl was “unnecessary.”

She called it an example of “young people, especially young men, just making really uninformed decisions” and “acting on impulse.”

“We are all young people on college campuses. We are all under a lot of stress,” Floyd said.

But, she asked, is anything being done when these men show pronounced instances of anger?

KU Chancellor Douglas Girod did not offer a statement in regard to the incident on Tuesday night, nor did he answer whether the incident might indicate a recurring discipline problem within the men’s basketball program. It is unclear, however, if Girod ever received the questions.

When asked for a statement from the chancellor, KU spokesman Joe Monaco said he had “not seen the Chancellor today.”

Shane Bangerter, chair of the Board of Regents, did issue a statement in regard to the brawl, writing in an email that he was “disappointed” by the incident at the end of the game.

“The Regents expect athletic programs at state universities to represent their respective institutions in a positive manner, and we will work with the CEOs to ensure that happens,” he wrote.

Bangerter did not respond to a question asking whether the combination of disciplinary issues from recent years was forming a black eye on the men’s basketball program.

Come February, KU will once more be in the public eye. KU has until Feb. 19 to respond to an NCAA Notice of Allegations that it received on Sept. 23.

The NCAA's investigation of KU relates to allegations against the KU men’s basketball and football programs. The football allegations include allowing an extra coach to work during practice under former coach David Beaty. In basketball, allegations center on three former Adidas representatives who have been convicted of federal fraud charges related to a scheme to pay the families of recruits to attend certain schools, including KU.

The NCAA contends former Adidas consultant T.J. Gassnola was acting as a booster of KU when he paid $90,000 to the mother of former KU team member Billy Preston and $2,500 to the guardian of current player De Sousa.

KU officials have said the university would “fiercely dispute” the charges.

Floyd, the student body president, said KU administrators are handling “a lot” this year.

On Tuesday night, KU athletic director Jeff Long said of the brawl, “The conduct of a few of our student-athletes at the conclusion of tonight’s game vs. Kansas State was simply unacceptable and not reflective of who we are.”

Floyd said, “We just kind of recovered from Snoop Dogg and to now have (the brawl) ... It’s just kind of a lot for Jeff Long to have to keep putting out statements.”

 
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She called it an example of “young people, especially young men, just making really uninformed decisions” and “acting on impulse.”

“We are all young people on college campuses. We are all under a lot of stress,” Floyd said.

Are KU players younger than other college players? In other news water is wet and the grass is green
 
It's pretty clear there are some disciplinary issues at KU - not just the coaching staff, but the athletic and compliance departments - that needs some serious revamping. How they've publicly managed suspensions and all of these issues they've had over the years doesn't help their cause. Anyone that cannot see the obvious, glaring problems within the KU athletic department with regards to disciplinary control is either blind, or a KU fan.
 
And to think some people like to compare their program to ours... laughable. Biggest scandal we had was the money that "Fell" out of a package in the 80's.
 
There is more than enough history and evidence to support the NCAA taking action to sanction KU .You can take your pick of recruiting violations,academic violations, violence both on and off the court or playing 8 on 5 in home games for as long as anyone can remember.

The NCAA has danced around issues at KU almost as much as they have at UNC and Duke.The KU administration is just as guilty of inaction as the NCAA,how does Bill Self still have a job there

This latest incident is already well on it's way to fading away,in about 2 weeks it will be as though it never happened.
 
Though Floyd felt that K-State instigated the brawl and didn’t believe De Sousa should be suspended, she said she understood that some type of public disciplinary action must be taken and that the whole brawl was “unnecessary.”

She lost all credibility with this statement.
 
There is more than enough history and evidence to support the NCAA taking action to sanction KU .You can take your pick of recruiting violations,academic violations, violence both on and off the court or playing 8 on 5 in home games for as long as anyone can remember.

The NCAA has danced around issues at KU almost as much as they have at UNC and Duke.The KU administration is just as guilty of inaction as the NCAA,how does Bill Self still have a job there

This latest incident is already well on it's way to fading away,in about 2 weeks it will be as though it never happened.

That program is definitely nocturnal in nature and, Make no mistake, they are due a reckoning...
 
It leaves you with the feeling that Self in order to compete has to take the players that have attitude issues and just hopes to keep them inbounds long enough to compete at Kansas, or they just do not have a feel for what is going on around their team. I imagine that is exactly why we are hearing rumors of Self to San Antonio, he probably has kept his head above water as long as he can at KU. With all the "handlers" and people that surround these star players that are probably going to be NBA players, and deals being cut I would imagine recruiting the elite athletes has became a nightmare.....it is he reason I believe Billy Donovan and possibly Brad Stevens said enough I am going to NBA. I salute Coach Cal for being able to navigate these waters and for all the quality you men that have passed through our program.
 
Though Floyd felt that K-State instigated the brawl and didn’t believe De Sousa should be suspended, she said she understood that some type of public disciplinary action must be taken and that the whole brawl was “unnecessary.”

She lost all credibility with this statement.

that thinking is exactly why it continues. :joy::joy::joy:

what a dumb bitch.
 
We must remember that there two sides to every story. Being accused of something does not mean guilty.
 
It leaves you with the feeling that Self in order to compete has to take the players that have attitude issues and just hopes to keep them inbounds long enough to compete at Kansas, or they just do not have a feel for what is going on around their team. I imagine that is exactly why we are hearing rumors of Self to San Antonio, he probably has kept his head above water as long as he can at KU. With all the "handlers" and people that surround these star players that are probably going to be NBA players, and deals being cut I would imagine recruiting the elite athletes has became a nightmare.....it is he reason I believe Billy Donovan and possibly Brad Stevens said enough I am going to NBA. I salute Coach Cal for being able to navigate these waters and for all the quality you men that have passed through our program.
Also, he can’t cheat in recruiting as easily as he used to. There’s that.
 
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There is more than enough history and evidence to support the NCAA taking action to sanction KU .You can take your pick of recruiting violations,academic violations, violence both on and off the court or playing 8 on 5 in home games for as long as anyone can remember.

The NCAA has danced around issues at KU almost as much as they have at UNC and Duke.The KU administration is just as guilty of inaction as the NCAA,how does Bill Self still have a job there

This latest incident is already well on it's way to fading away,in about 2 weeks it will be as though it never happened.
It’s always great to see fellow Posters exposing the obvious and egregious inconsistencies expressed by the NCAA, to certain programs not named University of Kentucky. It’s a real thing!
 
Gameday should be interesting on Saturday. I might actually watch.
 
We must remember that there two sides to every story. Being accused of something does not mean guilty.
I saw with my own eyes KU players stomping that man that was laying on the ground! What’s the other side of that? I guess he could’ve had some kind of mind control making them do it. Lmao.
 
[But that was a reaction to state's aggression. You're leaving out that part.QUOTE="JASUN74, post: 8598780, member: 87471"]I saw with my own eyes KU players stomping that man that was laying on the ground! What’s the other side of that? I guess he could’ve had some kind of mind control making them do it. Lmao.[/QUOTE]
 
Saying KU has discipline issues is like saying a septic tank has water quality issues.
 
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Interesting Post from three and a half years ago about how the Kansas U. student body President was going to raise a protest about all the violence against women, and just generally felonious behavior by the basketball team...It made such an impression that Bill Self hesitated for 30 seconds before signing a point guard already accused of punching a woman who now is being investigated for rape...What a slimy, disgusting program.

If the original post in this thread was a summary of behavior by Kentucky basketball players in just the past few years -- on campus -- as a father of two daughters I'd feel immoral to support Calipari, Barnhart or the university president who allowed it. And this doesn't even include getting the unviersity cited for loss of institutional control by the NCAA, which also called Self a liar and a cheat.
It’s disgusting. Cheating is one thing hut allowing thuggish illegal behavior puts the program in a whole new level, thug program level with Louisville, Miami, Penn State, Syracuse.
 
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Interesting Post from three and a half years ago about how the Kansas U. student body President was going to raise a protest about all the violence against women, and just generally felonious behavior by the basketball team...It made such an impression that Bill Self hesitated for 30 seconds before signing a point guard already accused of punching a woman who now is being investigated for rape...What a slimy, disgusting program.

If the original post in this thread was a summary of behavior by Kentucky basketball players in just the past few years -- on campus -- as a father of two daughters I'd feel immoral to support Calipari, Barnhart or the university president who allowed it. And this doesn't even include getting the unviersity cited for loss of institutional control by the NCAA, which also called Self a liar and a cheat.
I don't know who has a bigger crime problem, the Kansas men's basketball program, or these leftist blue run cities in America
 
After Tuesday night’s basketball brawl, the University of Kansas student body president expressed concern over the pattern of “violence” surrounding the program and the Board of Regents chair suggested he would be discussing the matter with university CEOs.

The Tuesday night brawl was not the first instance in recent years in which University of Kansas men’s basketball players have come under fire for undisciplined behavior.

In December of 2016, men’s basketball player Josh Jackson was accused of arguing with KU women’s basketball player McKenzie Calvert outside a Lawrence bar. During that argument, he reportedly hit and kicked Calvert’s car while “yelling for her to get out of the car and that he would beat” her, the Journal-World previously reported.

That same month, a 16-year-old was reportedly raped in McCarthy Hall, which houses the men’s basketball team. All five witnesses listed in the rape report were 2016-17 KU men’s basketball team members, the Journal-World reported at the time. Charges were never filed, however, because of insufficient evidence.

In January of 2017, men’s basketball player Carlton Bragg Jr. was suspended from the basketball team for violating team rules. Months earlier, Bragg was the suspect in a battery report in which a man closed a door on a woman’s arm, causing bruising.

Also in January of 2017, the Kansas City Star reported that a KU investigation found it likely that men’s basketball player Lagerald Vick punched a female student multiple times in the arm and kicked her in the face in late 2015.

This academic year, the men’s basketball program is undergoing an investigation by the NCAA and the athletic department received national attention this past fall after Snoop Dogg’s risque Late Night in the Phog performance — which included pole dancers and money guns.

Floyd called yesterday’s brawl the “perfect opportunity” for the team and athletic department to take increased steps to “talk to the team ... maybe look into who they are recruiting.”

She said she’s noticed a pattern of “either violence or anger both on and off the court," and she suggested the potential need for an anger management counselor.

Though Floyd felt that K-State instigated the brawl and didn’t believe De Sousa should be suspended, she said she understood that some type of public disciplinary action must be taken and that the whole brawl was “unnecessary.”

She called it an example of “young people, especially young men, just making really uninformed decisions” and “acting on impulse.”

“We are all young people on college campuses. We are all under a lot of stress,” Floyd said.

But, she asked, is anything being done when these men show pronounced instances of anger?

KU Chancellor Douglas Girod did not offer a statement in regard to the incident on Tuesday night, nor did he answer whether the incident might indicate a recurring discipline problem within the men’s basketball program. It is unclear, however, if Girod ever received the questions.

When asked for a statement from the chancellor, KU spokesman Joe Monaco said he had “not seen the Chancellor today.”

Shane Bangerter, chair of the Board of Regents, did issue a statement in regard to the brawl, writing in an email that he was “disappointed” by the incident at the end of the game.

“The Regents expect athletic programs at state universities to represent their respective institutions in a positive manner, and we will work with the CEOs to ensure that happens,” he wrote.

Bangerter did not respond to a question asking whether the combination of disciplinary issues from recent years was forming a black eye on the men’s basketball program.

Come February, KU will once more be in the public eye. KU has until Feb. 19 to respond to an NCAA Notice of Allegations that it received on Sept. 23.

The NCAA's investigation of KU relates to allegations against the KU men’s basketball and football programs. The football allegations include allowing an extra coach to work during practice under former coach David Beaty. In basketball, allegations center on three former Adidas representatives who have been convicted of federal fraud charges related to a scheme to pay the families of recruits to attend certain schools, including KU.

The NCAA contends former Adidas consultant T.J. Gassnola was acting as a booster of KU when he paid $90,000 to the mother of former KU team member Billy Preston and $2,500 to the guardian of current player De Sousa.

KU officials have said the university would “fiercely dispute” the charges.

Floyd, the student body president, said KU administrators are handling “a lot” this year.

On Tuesday night, KU athletic director Jeff Long said of the brawl, “The conduct of a few of our student-athletes at the conclusion of tonight’s game vs. Kansas State was simply unacceptable and not reflective of who we are.”

Floyd said, “We just kind of recovered from Snoop Dogg and to now have (the brawl) ... It’s just kind of a lot for Jeff Long to have to keep putting out statements.”

They really addressed the problems and made big changes…. Not
 
They’ve won a national title recently, so I doubt any of their fans really care.

The bottom line is winning. Winning covers a multitude of sins.

Let’s not act holier than thou. If we had a recent title we wouldn’t be overly concerned with that kind of stuff either.

Just win, baby!

That is all that really matters to most fans.
 
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