Just read the Complaint. I think Rick Pitino is specifically involved and implicated.

[Mojocat]

I only read "IV. Allegations Involving University-6". So maybe I'm missing something. There are two coaches from Louisville that appear in the story. The assumption is those two are Jordan Fair and Kenny Johnson. But I think Coach-2 is Rick Pitino himself. See this part, from paragraphs 36.d, 36.e and 37:

d. At the meeting, AUGUSTINE stated that he expected Company-1 to fund at least a portion of the future payments to Player-11 and/or his family because, referring to a coach for the University-6 men’s basketball team (“Coach-2”), “no one swings a bigger dick than [Coach-2]” at Company-1, adding that “all [Coach-2 has to do] is pick up the phone and call somebody, [and say] these are my guys, they’re taking care of us.”…

Isn't it self-evident that Coach-2 with his elephantine swinging appendage has to be Pitino? Could it be a mere assistant? I can't see it. Read further:

e. …DAWKINS then said he had spoken with Coach-2 about getting additional money for Player-10’s family and informed Coach-2 that “I need you to call Jim Gatto, [the defendant,] who’s the head of everything” at Company-1’s basketball program.

So Dawkins, a named defendant, talks specifically to Coach-2 about getting money for Bowen from Adidas.

And further:

37. Based on my review of call records, I am aware that on or about May 27, 2017, JAMES GATTO, a/k/a “Jim”, the defendant, had two telephone conversations with a phone number used by Coach-2. Based on the same, I am aware that on or about June 1, 2017, GATTO had a third conversation with the same phone number used by Coach-2. As noted above, two days later, on or about June 3, 2017, Player-10 officially committed to University-6 in return for the commitment by GATTO and Company-1 to pay $100,000 to his family.

Three conversations between Gatto and Coach-2, and then Bowen commits to Louisville and Adidas commits to the 100k for Bowen.

Like I said, I only read the part pertaining to Louisville. I'm trying to think of how to read that and not see it as Pitino getting his hands dirty. I think based on the swinging dick part that RP has to be Coach-2. What am I missing?

 

[Smashcat]

Of course Pitino was involved though he'll probably go thru life lying about it.

 

[Sithlyone]

"15 seconds" joke in 3... 2... 1....

 

[Mojocat]

Of course Pitino was involved though he'll probably go thru life lying about it.

No, I mean specifically referenced in the Complaint. Yes, he was involved, although he was shocked to find out what exactly he'd been involved with....

 

[OHIO COLONEL]

Thought the same thing when I read it. Can't see an asst coach at any school having that much perceived clout.

 

[St.PatterSoN-54-]

Slick rick's going to prison.

Hey Rick.....watch out for your cornhole, bud.

 

[Kampus Korner]

I only read "IV. Allegations Involving University-6". So maybe I'm missing something. There are two coaches from Louisville that appear in the story. The assumption is those two are Jordan Fair and Kenny Johnson. But I think Coach-2 is Rick Pitino himself. See this part, from paragraphs 36.d, 36.e and 37:

d. At the meeting, AUGUSTINE stated that he expected Company-1 to fund at least a portion of the future payments to Player-11 and/or his family because, referring to a coach for the University-6 men’s basketball team (“Coach-2”), “no one swings a bigger dick than [Coach-2]” at Company-1, adding that “all [Coach-2 has to do] is pick up the phone and call somebody, [and say] these are my guys, they’re taking care of us.”…

Isn't it self-evident that Coach-2 with his elephantine swinging appendage has to be Pitino? Could it be a mere assistant? I can't see it. Read further:

e. …DAWKINS then said he had spoken with Coach-2 about getting additional money for Player-10’s family and informed Coach-2 that “I need you to call Jim Gatto, [the defendant,] who’s the head of everything” at Company-1’s basketball program.

So Dawkins, a named defendant, talks specifically to Coach-2 about getting money for Bowen from Adidas.

And further:

37. Based on my review of call records, I am aware that on or about May 27, 2017, JAMES GATTO, a/k/a “Jim”, the defendant, had two telephone conversations with a phone number used by Coach-2. Based on the same, I am aware that on or about June 1, 2017, GATTO had a third conversation with the same phone number used by Coach-2. As noted above, two days later, on or about June 3, 2017, Player-10 officially committed to University-6 in return for the commitment by GATTO and Company-1 to pay $100,000 to his family.

Three conversations between Gatto and Coach-2, and then Bowen commits to Louisville and Adidas commits to the 100k for Bowen.

Like I said, I only read the part pertaining to Louisville. I'm trying to think of how to read that and not see it as Pitino getting his hands dirty. I think based on the swinging dick part that RP has to be Coach-2. What am I missing?

If it was Pitino, I think the indictment would have referenced "the" coach at "University 6" as opposed to "a" coach. There are also other assistant or assistant type coaches, to wit: Dave Padgett, Michael Bowden and Ray Ganong.

I don't know how big any of these coaches "thing" is but based on the totality of the references of the indictment, I think if the head coach were involved, he would have been more specifically identified. Additionally, there are other references in the indictment about how these dudes preyed upon assistant coaches because the head coach made too much money and had too much to lose to be directly involved.

 

[CatPhight]

 

[OHIO COLONEL]

If it was Pitino, I think the indictment would have referenced "the" coach at "University 6" as opposed to "a" coach. There are also other assistant or assistant type coaches, to wit: Dave Padgett, Michael Bowden and Ray Ganong.

I don't know how big any of these coaches "thing" is but based on the totality of the references of the indictment, I think if the head coach were involved, he would have been more specifically identified. Additionally, there are other references in the indictment about how these dudes preyed upon assistant coaches because the head coach made too much money and had too much to lose to be directly involved.

But I think the language in the complaint is different between someone like Chuck Persons who is criminally implicated, and UL which is shown to be getting money for a recruit vs. taking bribes directly.

 

[Gothic1960]

I only read "IV. Allegations Involving University-6". So maybe I'm missing something. There are two coaches from Louisville that appear in the story. The assumption is those two are Jordan Fair and Kenny Johnson. But I think Coach-2 is Rick Pitino himself. See this part, from paragraphs 36.d, 36.e and 37:

d. At the meeting, AUGUSTINE stated that he expected Company-1 to fund at least a portion of the future payments to Player-11 and/or his family because, referring to a coach for the University-6 men’s basketball team (“Coach-2”), “no one swings a bigger dick than [Coach-2]” at Company-1, adding that “all [Coach-2 has to do] is pick up the phone and call somebody, [and say] these are my guys, they’re taking care of us.”…

Isn't it self-evident that Coach-2 with his elephantine swinging appendage has to be Pitino? Could it be a mere assistant? I can't see it. Read further:

e. …DAWKINS then said he had spoken with Coach-2 about getting additional money for Player-10’s family and informed Coach-2 that “I need you to call Jim Gatto, [the defendant,] who’s the head of everything” at Company-1’s basketball program.

So Dawkins, a named defendant, talks specifically to Coach-2 about getting money for Bowen from Adidas.

And further:

37. Based on my review of call records, I am aware that on or about May 27, 2017, JAMES GATTO, a/k/a “Jim”, the defendant, had two telephone conversations with a phone number used by Coach-2. Based on the same, I am aware that on or about June 1, 2017, GATTO had a third conversation with the same phone number used by Coach-2. As noted above, two days later, on or about June 3, 2017, Player-10 officially committed to University-6 in return for the commitment by GATTO and Company-1 to pay $100,000 to his family.

Three conversations between Gatto and Coach-2, and then Bowen commits to Louisville and Adidas commits to the 100k for Bowen.

Like I said, I only read the part pertaining to Louisville. I'm trying to think of how to read that and not see it as Pitino getting his hands dirty. I think based on the swinging dick part that RP has to be Coach-2. What am I missing?

Yep. I thought the exact same thing

 

[blubo]

Maybe he can get the cell that karen just vacated.

 

[KYCAT78]

Paying a player is not a crime, it is a NCAA violation. The only reason it is in the Indictment is because it was evidence against someone who was indicted. Pitino could very well be Coach 2 and be subpoenaed to testify which could lead to serious infractions for UL.

 

[jr40831]

Hey, It was a shock to him.

 

[kev69]

Pitino is not going to prison. None of these guys are. They were cheating of course, but I don't see any crimes.

 

[JoeBeeHall]

Pitino is not going to prison. None of these guys are. They were cheating of course, but I don't see any crimes.

The Az coach is facing 80 eighty freakin years .

 

[keepingit real]

The Az coach is facing 80 eighty freakin years .

And so is Chuck Person from Auburn. You don't F with the FBI, this isn't the NCAA were talking about, there will be some go to prison..

 

[Fox2monk]

Paying a player is not a crime, it is a NCAA violation. The only reason it is in the Indictment is because it was evidence against someone who was indicted. Pitino could very well be Coach 2 and be subpoenaed to testify which could lead to serious infractions for UL.

Paying a player is absolutely a crime.from.wire fraud to tax evasion.

 

[YouKay]

I am not a lawyer but this does look like Pitino could be subject to criminal prosecution. The complaint alleges that he directly arranged the bribe of Brian Bowen with Jim Gatto. That's aiding and abetting a felony right there. Gatto wasn't writing these checks without any request for them.

 

[kev69]

The Az coach is facing 80 eighty freakin years .

For what exactly?

Hell, murderers don't get 80 years.

 

[KYCAT78]

Paying a player is absolutely a crime.from.wire fraud to tax evasion.

May be tax evasion for the player but not a crime to give somebody money.

 

[Smashcat]

And so is Chuck Person from Auburn. You don't F with the FBI, this isn't the NCAA were talking about, there will be some go to prison..

Yep. Person will do some time.

 

[Smashcat]

I am not a lawyer but this does look like Pitino could be subject to criminal prosecution. The complaint alleges that he directly arranged the bribe of Brian Bowen with Jim Gatto. That's aiding and abetting a felony right there. Gatto wasn't writing these checks without any request for them.

If he wound up in a courtroom one would assume Sypher would be sitting in the front row right behind him.

 

[irishcat1965]

It appears Pitino was in on the scam- his cell was used and its clear he was directing traffic.

 

[kev69]

It appears Pitino was in on the scam- his cell was used and its clear he was directing traffic.

Really? Wow!

That's crazy. Man, I don't even know what to say.

 

[Fox2monk]

May be tax evasion for the player but not a crime to give somebody money.

They paid them thru wires. Established and a crime. Rico.

 

[irishcat1965]

The Az coach is facing 80 eighty freakin years .

That's window dressing. He won't get anywhere near 80 years. I do a lot of federal criminal defense and doubt he gets more than 5 years, probably less. They will all enter what's called a proffer agreement in which they spill their guts to get a low prison sentence.

 

[Dallas-Wild]

It appears Pitino was in on the scam- his cell was used and its clear he was directing traffic.

Now come on Irishcat, you know Rick knew nothing.

 

[irishcat1965]

Now come on Irishcat, you know Rick knew nothing.

If "nothing" means everything you are right.

 

[KYCAT78]

They paid them thru wires. Established and a crime. Rico.

I can send money via wire to you if I want not a crime. If it was a crime the FBI would have arrested the UL Assistant yesterday.

 

[Nuke99m]

Persons and pitino/UL coaches are different cases. Persons got the money from Adidas and gave some to the player and then kept some. UL coaches contacted Adidas and the payment went from Adidas to the player.
One is considered a crime by the FBI. The other is not.

 

[Ugoff]

I like how the report refers to Rick's favorite body part. Kind of fitting.

 

[irishcat1965]

Really? Wow!

That's crazy. Man, I don't even know what to say.

I'm assuming he is coach 2 when I say that.

 

[kitkoodle]

I read that too and thought same thing..but only thing that really makes me think pitino is c2..is no asst has been fired yet

 

[Ky_Bred_Cat]

Thought the same thing when I read it. Can't see an asst coach at any school having that much perceived clout.

Likewise, I thought the same thing as well. Time will tell if they have tape on Coach-2.

 

[bigbluelou]

Yep. Person will do some time.

He already is an Asst. Coach at Auburn under Bruce Pearl...isn't that punishment enough?

 

[bigbluelou]

That's window dressing. He won't get anywhere near 80 years. I do a lot of federal criminal defense and doubt he gets more than 5 years, probably less. They will all enter what's called a proffer agreement in which they spill their guts to get a low prison sentence.

Do you do any IRS tax evasion defense?

#askingforafriend

 

[YouKay]

Persons and pitino/UL coaches are different cases. Persons got the money from Adidas and gave some to the player and then kept some. UL coaches contacted Adidas and the payment went from Adidas to the player.
One is considered a crime by the FBI. The other is not.

I believe Person is accused of taking bribes from the agent/Financial planner/clothing salesman for steering players to them. It's a different complaint from the Gatto complaint. The latter is the one that refers to Pitino and Bowen.

It doesn't matter that Pitino didn't directly benefit from the payments made by adidas to Bowen. The payments were illegal and Pitino personally arranged them along with his assistant coach. That's a crime.

My guess is the US Attorney is not charging Pitino now because they want him as a witness for Gatto's trial. They may have to give him immunity to get him to testify because otherwise he could take the Fifth.

 

[kev69]

Do you do any IRS tax evasion defense?

#askingforafriend

LOL!

 

[irishcat1965]

Do you do any IRS tax evasion defense?

#askingforafriend

No. Lol

 

[Mojocat]

I wasn't clear. I don't think Pitino committed any crimes. From what we heard yesterday, those accused of criminal conduct were named, and the others that weren't named (University-6, University-7, etc.) are guilty of NCAA violations. Louisville and its coaches are only in NCAA hot water, not criminal hot water.

So my point is Pitino may be right there in the middle of breaking NCAA rules by paying players. Which is different than the "his assistants did it, did Rick know about it or not?"