Joel Embiid

[Bluemoon725]

Could miss the entire next season due to an injury setback.

Story.

Remember when a certain fan-base was trying to sell everyone how he was "a must take" despite the numerous red flags concerning his health? I'll never forget how amusing it was to hear some people compare him to Hakeem Olajuwon (pretty sure I heard that from some ESPN talking heads).

 

[mebeblue2]

does this affect which player they draft?

 

[KA4Prez]

IMO, it has to. Before, with Noel and Embiid, it was almost certain the Sixers didn't take a big. Now, they have to be seriously looking at Towns, Okafor or the foreign guy, and possibly dropping back and taking WCS if something else happened.

 

[Smashcat]

Could miss the entire next season due to an injury setback.

Story.

Remember when a certain fan-base was trying to sell everyone how he was "a must take" despite the numerous red flags concerning his health? I'll never forget how amusing it was to hear some people compare him to Hakeem Olajuwon (pretty sure I heard that from some ESPN talking heads).

Same folks were acting like Anthony Davis didn't exist. (smh)

 

[TBCat]

Yeah I remember those arguments. Based on the all too reliable use "per 40 minutes played averages" some thought he would be the next Hakeem. Of course it never registered with people why he didn't play a lot of minutes. Anyone that saw Embiid play and remembers seeing Hakeem in college knows there is no reasonable comparison between the two. Andrew Harrison was much closer to being Michael Jordan than Embiid was to be Hakeem. I don't care what stats you use or how you massage them Embiid was no Hakeem. Not even close. I always saw Embiid as a 10 to 15 minute per game role player in the NBA. That's really what he was in college as well.

 

[Fancatstik]

They really wanted D'Angelo Russell. I'm sure now they would love to add one of Townes or Okafor. I was hearing that the Lakers may be interested in Russell too now so maybe the 6er's swap picks with the Lakers and throw in someone else. I'm not sure what else they have though.

 

[Barry 01]

Yeah I remember those arguments. Based on the all too reliable use "per 40 minutes played averages" some thought he would be the next Hakeem. Of course it never registered with people why he didn't play a lot of minutes. Anyone that saw Embiid play and remembers seeing Hakeem in college knows there is no reasonable comparison between the two. Andrew Harrison was much closer to being Michael Jordan than Embiid was to be Hakeem. I don't care what stats you use or how you massage them Embiid was no Hakeem. Not even close. I always saw Embiid as a 10 to 15 minute per game role player in the NBA. That's really what he was in college as well.

Really TBCat a role player at best your an idiot no offense but embid if healthy could be an all star and again if healthy COULD be an all star

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Really TBCat a role player at best your an idiot no offense but embid if healthy could be an all star and again if healthy COULD be an all star

If frogs had wings. He had issues at KU. His numbers weren't great. The hype machine looked at what he was capable of and ran from there. I would not have wasted a 1st round draft pick on him and said so before the draft. He may never play in the NBA, but he'll still be rich. GM's in pro sports often display an alarming lack of common sense.

 

[TBCat]

Really TBCat a role player at best your an idiot no offense but embid if healthy could be an all star and again if healthy COULD be an all star

"Your an idiot, no offense". Only an idiot would think you could something like that as "no offense".

Again there is no basis for Embiid being anything close to an all star except your opinion. And by the way since you've clearly missed the point by saying "if healthy" I will l point out again that's not irrelevant. That's like saying if he stayed healthy Greg Oden would be dominating the NBA right now. Well he isn't healthy and never has been. That's kind of important.The only thing I know for sure about Embiid is that he averaged 11 points and 8 boards in college and only 13 points and 9 rebounds in high school. Even if he puts up the same numbers in the NBA that he put up in high school he's not making any all star teams. And players rarely find tougher competition in high school than they do in the NBA.

 

[Fancatstik]

The people here that say that Embiid was overrated at KU are the equivalent of the KU fans saying AD was overrated at UK. Both were great in college.

 

[MWes11]

Feel bad that he can't seem to get healthy. Wish him better health in the near future. Never want to see a player plagued by constant health issues and not be able to live out their dreams. Talented kid. Hope he gets a chance to prove it.

 

[GonzoCat90]

That dude posted one time in 10 years to call someone an idiot in a thread about Joel Embiid?

 

[Aike]

Hate it for the kid. Julius Randle has played about 3 minutes so far. Noel has fortunately rebounded nicely. It can happen to anybody.

As far as comparisons and running numbers, Embiid would have fouled out a lot per 40 minutes. He could still be an all star if healthy though.

 

[UKDUNK]

I remember when posters on this board were calling him JoJo Embiid. The love affair between this board and KU that year was sickening.

I don't really get why anyone expects this kid to become the next big thing. He was overrated at Kansas and got fat during his year of rehab. Noel on the other hand worked on his jumper and stayed in great shape the year he was out despite a torn ACL.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

The people here that say that Embiid was overrated at KU are the equivalent of the KU fans saying AD was overrated at UK. Both were great in college.

Are you really trying to equate JE to AD??? Based on what exactly, and, please, don't leave out the injury issues

 

[KingOfBBN]

He had bust written all over him and they still took him.

 

[GonzoCat90]

I don't see the point in trying to pretend like Embiid wasn't great while he was on the floor for KU that season. Did you watch him or just argue blindly with Kansas fans?

 

[.S&C.]

I don't see the point in trying to pretend like Embiid wasn't great while he was on the floor for KU that season. Did you watch him or just argue blindly with Kansas fans?

I think he was really good, but I don't know about great. And yea, I watched him, so I didn't blindly buy into all the hype. I think he was a really good player for Kansas who had potential. I don't think we ever saw greatness from him, and I don't think we ever will. So to me at least, it's a moot point. He's going to be a never was.

 

[GonzoCat90]

I think he was really good, but I don't know about great. And yea, I watched him, so I didn't blindly buy into all the hype. I think he was a really good player for Kansas who had potential. I don't think we ever saw greatness from him, and I don't think we ever will. So to me at least, it's a moot point. He's going to be a never was.

Semantics, but I think he was one of the 2-3 best bigs in the country, and that makes him "great" by college standards. I'm not saying he was Hakeem or anything, although his upside (which is not at *that* level) was as high as any player in the draft, but he was great for Kansas.

You're right that we didn't see greatness from him in the historical sense, but that doesn't mean these folks acting like he was just some always-injured scrub are right. A healthy Embiid changes the landscape, just like a healthy Kendall Marshall would have in 2012, etc. It's okay to admit those things.

 

[.S&C.]

Semantics, but I think he was one of the 2-3 best bigs in the country, and that makes him "great" by college standards. I'm not saying he was Hakeem or anything, although his upside (which is not at *that* level) was as high as any player in the draft, but he was great for Kansas.

You're right that we didn't see greatness from him in the historical sense, but that doesn't mean these folks acting like he was just some always-injured scrub are right. A healthy Embiid changes the landscape, just like a healthy Kendall Marshall would have in 2012, etc. It's okay to admit those things.

It's ok to admit things when it's true, but I don't think Embiid was ever great by any standard, semantics aside. I don't think he was ever a scrub, I just don't think using terms like "great" should ever apply to him. He was really good for Kansas and got hurt. He's always been raw, and it's always been more about potential with Embiid than actual results.

 

[fatguy87]

does this affect which player they draft?

It may be a factor, but history shows that Hinkie prefers drafting the best player available rather than for need.

Hinkie may end up getting a double whammy though. The best player available may also be their greatest roster need if Russell is still on the board at 3.

 

[Fancatstik]

Are you really trying to equate JE to AD??? Based on what exactly, and, please, don't leave out the injury issues

I'm not saying who is the better player. My point is that both fan bases have ignorant posters that blindly think that an opposing star player isn't that good. It's just the nature of people that don't watch the other team much. As for Embiid, he hadn't played organized basketball nearly as long as AD. I think it was only like 3 years or so before KU. For the amount of time he played he was phenomenal. It's a shame he hasn't had a chance to show what he can do and I was really looking forward to it.

 

[gossie21]

I hate when our own fanbase puts me in a position to argue on behalf of KU. So I'll just avoid the subject matter and instead remind everyone that Bill Self wears a hairpiece.

That's were this thread was going to end up anyways.

 

[*Bleedingblue*]

The people here that say that Embiid was overrated at KU are the equivalent of the KU fans saying AD was overrated at UK. Both were great in college.

Hard to imagine with KU having both Hakeem and Jordan that they weren't at least undefeated heading into tourney play much less winning it all.

 

[UKDUNK]

Skal>Embiid. True UK fans > Closet KU fans.

 

[NCukcat62]

Greg oden part deux

 

[BBUK]

Everyone is missing the real point. This is serious too. 29 posts and Kimohawk is no where to be found in a thread about his man. Forgot Embiid, let's have a joint prayer session for Kimohawk.

 

[Nubb16]

I said this before he was drafted. Kandi man part two if he can make it on the court. Even if he gets healthy I don't think he will ever be what many said he could be. Hate the guy can't even get on the court though

 

[Mike-D]

Really TBCat a role player at best your an idiot no offense but embid if healthy could be an all star and again if healthy COULD be an all star

Dumbest post I've read all night. Embiid will never be an All-Star. Where do people come up with this crap?

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

I'm not saying who is the better player. My point is that both fan bases have ignorant posters that blindly think that an opposing star player isn't that good. It's just the nature of people that don't watch the other team much. As for Embiid, he hadn't played organized basketball nearly as long as AD. I think it was only like 3 years or so before KU. For the amount of time he played he was phenomenal. It's a shame he hasn't had a chance to show what he can do and I was really looking forward to it.

I watched Embiid multiple times. He was never going to be AD and the comparison is silly. Yes he had some raw skills, he is also injury prone and really unproven at playing 30+ minutes a game. Apparently you would have drafted him, bad back, foot and all. I would not have.

 

[ThroughBlue]

Should have came back to college and got those bones stronger.

 

[.S&C.]

I'm not saying who is the better player. My point is that both fan bases have ignorant posters that blindly think that an opposing star player isn't that good. It's just the nature of people that don't watch the other team much. As for Embiid, he hadn't played organized basketball nearly as long as AD. I think it was only like 3 years or so before KU. For the amount of time he played he was phenomenal. It's a shame he hasn't had a chance to show what he can do and I was really looking forward to it.

Well, your comparison was way off. AD actually produced in a large way for UK. A great way for UK. Embiid was never of the level of AD, and if you watched Kansas much, you'd see that. I agree some posters can be pretty blind to some things, but Embiid would definitely fit into the overrated category vs. the former.

 

[Scudstock15]

It's ok to admit things when it's true, but I don't think Embiid was ever great by any standard, semantics aside. I don't think he was ever a scrub, I just don't think using terms like "great" should ever apply to him. He was really good for Kansas and got hurt. He's always been raw, and it's always been more about potential with Embiid than actual results.

You say you "watched him" and still say he was raw...

What in this video I linked below even hints at raw, especially for a kid in his 4th year of basketball? Either you're lying about watching him or you're drunk and lying about watching him.

So as a GM, you would have passed on Embiid while ignoring the words of the best orthopedic surgeon in the world, and gone with your "instincts" on Embiid's injury, and your assessment would have been that he isn't great because he is "raw", despite every workout saying he was "explosive and dominant". Also, you draft on results and not potential...

Haha, okay, you'd be fired the day you were hired. I also think Skal could easily be better than Embiid, just to be clear, and plenty of people on here have made good points, but these are coocoo.

 

[.S&C.]

You say you "watched him" and still say he was raw...

What in this video I linked below even hints at raw, especially for a kid in his 4th year of basketball? Either you're lying about watching him or you're drunk and lying about watching him.

So as a GM, you would have passed on Embiid while ignoring the words of the best orthopedic surgeon in the world, and gone with your "instincts" on Embiid's injury, and your assessment would have been that he isn't great because he is "raw", despite every workout saying he was "explosive and dominant". Also, you draft on results and not potential...

Haha, okay, you'd be fired the day you were hired. I also think Skal could easily be better than Embiid, just to be clear, and plenty of people on here have made good points, but these are coocoo.

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You're a fool if you think there was some kind of heaven calling for embiid to be "good to go". There were Plenty of opinions that he was Greg Oden x2. I watched him plenty to see he was raw and had vast potential. I would have never had drafted him. And yea, skal has a good body and has played basketball more than 6 freakin months. Oden is a MYTH. he never really existed in any meaningful way. Now we've got idiots comparing him to AD23. never.

Overrated. Raw. Injury prone. A never was.

Get over it.

 

[Scudstock15]

You're a fool if you think there was some kind of heaven calling for embiid to be "good to go". There were Plenty of opinions that he was Greg Oden x2. I watched him plenty to see he was raw and had vast potential. I would have never had drafted him. And yea, skal has a good body and has played basketball more than 6 freakin months. Oden is a MYTH. he never really existed in any meaningful way. Now we've got idiots comparing him to AD23. never.

Overrated. Raw. Injury prone. A never was.

Get over it.

I'm just saying you're a bit jaded with hindsight. Compare that Embiid video which showcases actual post moves and stuff with this AD highlight video, where almost all buckets are scored in transition dunks or alley oops. Embiid showed he wasn't raw, period. And that he had learned a bunch of post moves in a short amount of time, like a sponge. Also, all orthopedic surgeons that ACTUALLY EXAMINED Embiid gave him a "good to go", and in fact some didn't even FIND the fracture (Cleveland) .. All the opinions you're speaking of were speculation from people with similar injuries.

There is no question AD will be the best player in the NBA in 2 years and was a much better prospect, but drawing comparisons in college isn't insane, being as they were both set to be "run away favorites" as the #1 pick.

 

[Kiimohawk]

Everyone is missing the real point. This is serious too. 29 posts and Kimohawk is no where to be found in a thread about his man. Forgot Embiid, let's have a joint prayer session for Kimohawk.

Your prayers are appreciated.

 

[wcc31]

being as they were both set to be "run away favorites" as the #1 pick.

But Embiid never was a "runaway" favorite for #1. Not once. Wiggins and Parker had A LOT of love if not MORE for #1.

Comparing his stock as #1 to AD's is absurd.

 

[*Bleedingblue*]

After watching his hgh light clip he clearly has more post moves than Davis did in college but Davis is not a center. He does look rather raw but he is not fluid, has way too many herky jerky motions which will cause the play to develop more slowly and the weak side D will come up by the time he makes his move.
He will be a solid player in the league but he is no Hakeem and Cousins would man handle him as would many other centers. He will get better but not so much in the sense that he's gonna be the most dominant big man in 20 yrs.

 

[TriangleUKCat]

That dude posted one time in 10 years to call someone an idiot in a thread about Joel Embiid?

Something about this scenario is hilarious to me. Out of everything else posted on here, Kansas-related or otherwise...JOEL EMBIID? Really?

(huffs multiple times) "OK....I'm doing it. I'm going to tell this guy off with horrible grammar." (types, posts, folds arms in triumph whilst huffing)

 

[Orange Soda King]

We should be praying for Embiid. Injuries suck, no matter who it happens to.