Jodie, Marquis/Doron, Kyle, Dakari
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No..Jodie Meeks stays, bledsoe doesn't come..plus your asking a guy to go from avg 25 to avg 12. Don't think he would do that.
And the rest..meh. 2013 would certainly be better, but your assuming we would go from a first rd nit loss, all the way to the championship...doubtful. with Noel injured probably wasn't happening.
And the rest..meh. 2013 would certainly be better, but your assuming we would go from a first rd nit loss, all the way to the championship...doubtful. with Noel injured probably wasn't happening.
Meeks possibly, but he could have been cold against WVU just like anybody else.
I don't think we win the title in Noel's year after that injury.
2014--We win it all if WCS isn't hurt. Wiltjer wouldn't have played.
Last year, we win it all if Poythress isn't hurt. Wiltjer doesn't play.
This year...We'll see. Dakari could have been a stud on this group.
I don't think we win the title in Noel's year after that injury.
2014--We win it all if WCS isn't hurt. Wiltjer wouldn't have played.
Last year, we win it all if Poythress isn't hurt. Wiltjer doesn't play.
This year...We'll see. Dakari could have been a stud on this group.
Give me Teague and Lamb on that Noel team? Pretty good chance IMO...remember a whack ass UL team beat an even more whack ass Michigan team in the final.
Dakari - how can I even say that, we are just getting started with this season.
Meeks - IMO yes, his leadership and scoring ability was sorely missed.
Dakari - how can I even say that, we are just getting started with this season.
Meeks - IMO yes, his leadership and scoring ability was sorely missed.
If you think Meeks would have averaged 12 points a game with John Wall at PG then you are smoking crack and shooting heroine.
18, at least.
2010- with Meeks, we probably win the title. Wall, Bledsoe, Meeks, Patterson, and Cousins would clearly be the most talented starting five in the country. We were missing shooting on that team and Meeks is a deadly shooter.
2013- with Teague and Lamb, we definitely make the tourney, even with the Noel injury. We would have the best backcourt in the country with those two and Goodwin. Might have won a title, but I think Noel has to stay healthy for that to happen.
2014- with Wiltjer, might have helped our shooting and maybe helps us beat UConn.
2015- with Wiltjer. Wiltjer probably replaces Lee in the platoon. I don't see him making a great impact. He certainly doesn't help us stop Wisconsin from scoring.
2016- Johnson would give us some much needed muscle inside. Definitely would be a bonus inside. Probably forces Cal to play Skal at the 4. Also, forces us to play a little slower. I wouldn't be surprised if we were undefeated at this point in the season with Johnson in there.
To me, the Meeks addition to 2010 would have been the one to lead to a title.
2013 with Teague and Lamb would have meant the most improvement. Teague and Lamb would have been head and shoulders above Harrow and Mays. No question. A title might have still been a long shot (especially with Noel getting hurt), but at the very least we make the tourney.
2013- with Teague and Lamb, we definitely make the tourney, even with the Noel injury. We would have the best backcourt in the country with those two and Goodwin. Might have won a title, but I think Noel has to stay healthy for that to happen.
2014- with Wiltjer, might have helped our shooting and maybe helps us beat UConn.
2015- with Wiltjer. Wiltjer probably replaces Lee in the platoon. I don't see him making a great impact. He certainly doesn't help us stop Wisconsin from scoring.
2016- Johnson would give us some much needed muscle inside. Definitely would be a bonus inside. Probably forces Cal to play Skal at the 4. Also, forces us to play a little slower. I wouldn't be surprised if we were undefeated at this point in the season with Johnson in there.
To me, the Meeks addition to 2010 would have been the one to lead to a title.
2013 with Teague and Lamb would have meant the most improvement. Teague and Lamb would have been head and shoulders above Harrow and Mays. No question. A title might have still been a long shot (especially with Noel getting hurt), but at the very least we make the tourney.
Meeks..nope. Said it a bunch and it seems to get forgotten but Meeks coming back means we miss probably on Wall. Bledsoe was the first of those 2 to commit so logically you could see Wall going somewhere else with a 2 guard. Sure sure, we have 3 PG's this year but that's a rarity.
Teague makes the team better but as time has gone on and Cal has had his magic in the tourney that 2013 team has started to become better than they were. No inside presence after Noel injury and that team still struggled.
Dakari this year. Maybe he makes a difference but people thought he would be a beast last year coming off the bench and he wasn't.
There are two always what if's when I think of missed titles.
2003 Bogan's injury and Poy's injury last year. JR not being 100% in 2013 also hurt and may have made a difference.
Teague makes the team better but as time has gone on and Cal has had his magic in the tourney that 2013 team has started to become better than they were. No inside presence after Noel injury and that team still struggled.
Dakari this year. Maybe he makes a difference but people thought he would be a beast last year coming off the bench and he wasn't.
There are two always what if's when I think of missed titles.
2003 Bogan's injury and Poy's injury last year. JR not being 100% in 2013 also hurt and may have made a difference.
http://espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4178271
Wall and Bledsoe were already commited before Meeks made his decision to remain in the draft.
"Calipari was the most consistent presence in the recruiting process. All that's left now for Kentucky is to see whether the team's leading scorer and potential SEC preseason player of the year Jodie Meeks will withdraw from next month's NBA draft. But even without Meeks, the Wildcats now have the pieces to challenge Kansas and Michigan State, among others, for the national"
2010- with Meeks, we probably win the title. Wall, Bledsoe, Meeks, Patterson, and Cousins would clearly be the most talented starting five in the country. We were missing shooting on that team and Meeks is a deadly shooter.
That would have a been the most entertaining team Cal had here imo.
That would have a been the most entertaining team Cal had here imo.
Sadly we need Dakari and Dakari now realizes he needed another year of us. Granted you cant fault a kid leaving for the $$$ but i can almost guarantee he would have raised his draft stock.
Everyone complained he couldn't jump a phone book but now we know vertical isn't everything if you can't hold position down low. Give me Dakari to fill our most urgent need and to provide toughness!
Everyone complained he couldn't jump a phone book but now we know vertical isn't everything if you can't hold position down low. Give me Dakari to fill our most urgent need and to provide toughness!
This stuff is so hard to predict because other teams lost non lottery drafted players too in those same years. If James Johnson and Jeff Teague come back for Wake in 2010, where does that put them? If Jared Sullinger comes back for Ohio State in 2013, how much better would they have been? There are just examples of this for lots of the major teams.
Technically yes, Meeks could of came back but his decision was made, and had decided on an agency (not officially signed) before either Bledsoe and Wall decided, esp Wall. Cal was well of aware of Jodie's intention before Wall committed. I worked in the media at the time and this is what we were told.
Bledsoe was already signed and Meeks had absolutely no effect on Wall's decision.
You can't honestly think Wall would have been scared off by Meeks. He was the best player in college that year and the number one pick. Wall was going to play for Cal wherever he was and regardless of who else was there.
You can't honestly think Wall would have been scared off by Meeks. He was the best player in college that year and the number one pick. Wall was going to play for Cal wherever he was and regardless of who else was there.
Wall and Cousins were going to KY Wesleyan if Cal had coached there.
I think if Meeks stays than that would have been an undefeated team, No way WVU could have zoned him.
No effect on Wall or Bledsoe recruitment unless Cal was not named coach.
IMO
I think if Meeks stays than that would have been an undefeated team, No way WVU could have zoned him.
No effect on Wall or Bledsoe recruitment unless Cal was not named coach.
IMO
Meeks returning wouldn't have altered Wall or Bledsoe's decisions. They both committed before he signed with an agent.
If anything, Cal would have ran a 3 guard lineup and shredded people from every area of the court.
If anything, Cal would have ran a 3 guard lineup and shredded people from every area of the court.
You sure do laugh out loud more than anyone on this message board.
Remind me to invite you to my first standup comedy bit.
Given the type of shooter Meeks was in 2009 and what he's been in the NBA, I doubt very much that Huggins would have even suggested a 1-3-1 against a team featuring Jodie Meeks.
He would have had at least 15 good looks against that zone, and probably nailed at least 5 of them (on a poor shooting day). That UK team would have ran the table at 40-0. Too much of everything for opponents to handle. I mean, Meeks was a proven shooter who had lit people up for at least 45 points on three occasions as a junior without a future NBA All-Star at point guard.
Meeks in 2010 would have torched teams.
Even IF Bledsoe backs out with Meeks returning, Jodie gives that team another dimension. Bledsoe is exceptional, but him and Wall were more or less the same type of guards. Slashing and athleticism, but modest shooters.
Even IF Bledsoe backs out with Meeks returning, Jodie gives that team another dimension. Bledsoe is exceptional, but him and Wall were more or less the same type of guards. Slashing and athleticism, but modest shooters.
If anyone here believes a team with
John wall
Jodie Meeks (college version at that)
Liggins-Miller
Patterson-Stevenson
Demarcus cousins
should NOT be considered a guarantee, then no college team in history should be considered. That's just dumb even for here.
John wall
Jodie Meeks (college version at that)
Liggins-Miller
Patterson-Stevenson
Demarcus cousins
should NOT be considered a guarantee, then no college team in history should be considered. That's just dumb even for here.
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I don't care if it did send Bledsoe to Florida,
Wall
Meeks
Liggins
Patterson
Cousins
The end. That's a chanpionship.
I think we might be overthinking a bit.
Jodi: yes (I believe we go undefeated) , Marquis/Doron: no, Kyle: no (Cal wouldn't have played him much on last year's team), Dakari: maybe...I think it would have made a big difference in this year's team.
With Meeks we win the title IMO . Same last year with Poythress . Dakari would of been perfect on this team as the one thing he could really do is post up and score when he wanted to . Also could rebound well. He just wasn't even in WCS and Towns league last year but who was?
I don't know why some people are saying if Meeks comes back we wouldn't have gotten Wall and Bledsoe? Have you looked at this years team? Ulis, Briscoe, Murray? Wall, Bledsoe, and Meeks would've all started together. If Meeks came back to UK that year I don't see any way that team even comes close to losing a game.
Jodie Meeks would have been the leading scorer in 2010 and first team All American
My opinion is Wall wouldn't of wanted to play with that crowed of a guard heavy lineup. Maybe he would have but I don't think so. What I'm saying and what we were told is Cal told Wall Jodie was not coming back to UK. You can believe me or not. He told Wall he would play both Wall and Blesdoe if Wall came to UK
I'm not calling you a liar, but at the time everyone in Memphis new Wall was Caliapri's period. John Wall was going to play for John Calipari and every single recruiting expert knew it as well. One of the big pluses for landing Cal when we did was we knew it meant Wall.
Could it have effected Bledsoe? Maybe. But I still think he would've came. Bledsoe wanted to be a pro fast. He was smart with his situation. I don't think anything could have changed it.
I've always felt that the 2010 team would have had a chance at going undefeated if Meeks had come back.
I think that's 1.
I don't think that 2013 team was winning the title regardless. Kyle Wiltjer God love him was a total liability on defense and Poythress still would have been playing out of position all season.
I just don't think there was anything Cal could have done to give us a legit shot that season. The incoming freshman class was just not that great. Not just ours but that incoming class across college.
I'm assuming you're saying I'd Wiltjer doesn't transfer we win it in 2014. Maybe. With Willie being hurt, and Julius not at 100% either, having another healthy big with skill on offense in a game we struggled to score could have helped.
But Uconn killed us with their guard play in that game on both ends. On defense I think Kyle being in there would have made it worse.
Not having Willie to protect the rim was the difference in that one to be honest.
This season it's too early to tell. We have more issues than just lack of physicality around the rim.
I think that's 1.
I don't think that 2013 team was winning the title regardless. Kyle Wiltjer God love him was a total liability on defense and Poythress still would have been playing out of position all season.
I just don't think there was anything Cal could have done to give us a legit shot that season. The incoming freshman class was just not that great. Not just ours but that incoming class across college.
I'm assuming you're saying I'd Wiltjer doesn't transfer we win it in 2014. Maybe. With Willie being hurt, and Julius not at 100% either, having another healthy big with skill on offense in a game we struggled to score could have helped.
But Uconn killed us with their guard play in that game on both ends. On defense I think Kyle being in there would have made it worse.
Not having Willie to protect the rim was the difference in that one to be honest.
This season it's too early to tell. We have more issues than just lack of physicality around the rim.
Meeks as a junior was >>>>> Bledsoe as a freshman
The team is better no matter Bledsoe's college choice if Meeks returned.
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