Is uk one of the few blue bloods that doesn't have home cooking?
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Your are kidding right? No home cooking in Rupp? I believe most fans of schools who visit Rupp would disagree.
As for the KU game UK did get called for a lot of fouls and KU got a few calls down the stretch but the truth is the UK front line guys especially Lee & Skal foul a lot in games home and away.
As for the KU game UK did get called for a lot of fouls and KU got a few calls down the stretch but the truth is the UK front line guys especially Lee & Skal foul a lot in games home and away.
You're IMO.
One other thing, when we played the Louisville Cardinals at Rupp.. the refs "cheated" you guys SOOOO bad... I mean, you guys had 21 fouls to our 19... Omgoodnessgraciousgreatballsoffire, they gave us 2 more fouls than Porcini's weenies.
Anytime there is a huge foul and or FT disparity in Rupp it's because the other team is vastly inferior. Can't recall anytime a top 25 team came to Rupp and watched UK shoot free throws on every possession of a close game.
I honestly can't recall us ever getting the type of home whistle Kansas got Saturday night in a close game at Rupp.
Usually it seems like when we have that type of foul and free throw disparity it's a game that was going to be a blowout anyways.
I'm not saying we don't get some home cooking in big games. I think we do, but nothing like what happened to us Saturday.
Oh well, I will say I don't think Kansas played bad and I didn't think we played great. We definitely could have played much better.
Also I think this is one of reasons Cal does so well in the tournament every season. We get a way better whistle and all of a sudden it gets easy for our players and team because they're so used to having to be 10-15 points better to pull out even a 1 point road win.
Usually it seems like when we have that type of foul and free throw disparity it's a game that was going to be a blowout anyways.
I'm not saying we don't get some home cooking in big games. I think we do, but nothing like what happened to us Saturday.
Oh well, I will say I don't think Kansas played bad and I didn't think we played great. We definitely could have played much better.
Also I think this is one of reasons Cal does so well in the tournament every season. We get a way better whistle and all of a sudden it gets easy for our players and team because they're so used to having to be 10-15 points better to pull out even a 1 point road win.
I guarantee we don't get any good calls from Pat Adams no matter where the game is played.
WildcatfaninOhio
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More often than not the cry of poor officiating or "home cookin'" is not much more than sour grapes. Are there bad calls? Sure are! But they go both ways.
Don't want ref calls to decide a game? Then you have to be 5% better than the other team. If you play even with the other team then anything can happen and every call is crucial.
Don't want ref calls to decide a game? Then you have to be 5% better than the other team. If you play even with the other team then anything can happen and every call is crucial.
Given the fact that UK drives the lane and makes it a point to attack, the foul disparity from Saturday was extremely revealing, especially when one re-evaluates the "arms-straight-up" approach many of those fouls were called on.
This is why people hate Kansas, and why people cheer for their doom in March. It will come. It almost always does.
This is why people hate Kansas, and why people cheer for their doom in March. It will come. It almost always does.
If you ever heard Cawood call a game you would know.
Many times I remember him say UK's crowd made the call or UK was stinking up the gym.
What made him so good was his honesty.
If there was home cooking for UK, he called it as such.
Today he would be called a troll here on Rafters.
Many times I remember him say UK's crowd made the call or UK was stinking up the gym.
What made him so good was his honesty.
If there was home cooking for UK, he called it as such.
Today he would be called a troll here on Rafters.
Never even give a ref a chance to decide the game...bottom line
Duke does not get home cooking.
You get microwaved at Cameron.
You get microwaved at Cameron.
Just to see if there was any "home cooking" I compared the last three home games of both UK and KU (includes UK @ KU game):
- Both won all three home games: UK by +15.6; KU by +7.4
- UK beat Missouri, Vandy, Miss. St. and KU beat UK, Texas, TCU (KU had tougher games)
- FTM-FTA in 3-games: UK was 30-40/ ave. 10-13.3; KU was 59-84/ ave. 19.7-28
- Opp. FTM-FTA in 3-games: against UK 48-60/ ave. 16-20; against KU 28-46/ ave. 9.3-15.3
- FTM difference in 3-games: UK was -18/ ave. -6.0; KU was +31/ ave. +10.3
- FTA difference in 3-games: UK was -20/ ave. -6.7; KU was +38/ ave. +12.7
- PF in 3-games: for UK 51/ ave. 17.0; for KU 47/ ave. 15.7
- Opp. PF in 3-games: against UK 45/ ave. 15.0; against KU 82/ ave. 27.3
- "Home Cooking" PF difference: +2.0 more PF for UK than opp; -11.6 less PF for KU
- UK attempted -6.7 FT less than opp but averaged winning by +15.6
- KU attempted +12.7 FT more than opp but averaged winning by +7.4
- In 2-games excluding UK; KU averaged -6.0 PF less than opp and +6.5 more FTA than opp
I honestly think this is why Kansas "chokes" almost every March. They get 3-5 wins per year from the officiating. See the CBS podcasts where one of their guys gets off the record comments from coaches and how bad they talk about The Phog.
So they are an overrated team come March. They really aren't as good as seeding suggests thanks to the home whistle.
They get an even, or less biased whistle on neutral courts, and the lose.
I agree with wildcatfaninOhio. the term "home cooking" is used mostly as sour grapes. This blaming the officials every time you lose is silly. If the officials miss a call {which is just a judgement call anyway}, I view it as a missed call whether it be in Florida or Alaska. Humans are going to make mistakes, but not intentionally. I agree that there are benefits to the home team that is not available to the visitors like sleeping in your own bed, familiar surroundings where you play 1/2 or more of your games. no traveling. The home team has about a 4-5 point advantage for the reasons above.
Fans are eager to point out a certain call that cost them the game, but never realize that a turnover in first half could also do same thing.
Blaming the officials is just an easy way to try to explain why your team lost.
The home team has about 4-5 point advantage.
Fans are eager to point out a certain call that cost them the game, but never realize that a turnover in first half could also do same thing.
Blaming the officials is just an easy way to try to explain why your team lost.
The home team has about 4-5 point advantage.
yeah the home crowd has zero psychological effect on game officials
sure
really appreciate your consistent efforts to set people like me straight
No problem.
''yeah the home crowd has zero psychological effect on game officials" If you can tell me what you are basing this on, I will listen
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If you are more than a casual basketball fan watch a Duke,UNC or KU home game then watch a UK home game,if you don't see a difference in the way the game is called then you are trying not to see it. UK gets nowhere near the same treatment as the other 3.You have to wonder why,Coach K bitches like hell at the refs,Roy(and his whole program )cheated like hell for 20 years and KU has had players with issues (like Alexander and McLemore) contribute to wins while their eligibility was to say the least in question.What drives the officials to give Duke,UNC and KU such an advantage on their home court.
Look at the polls year in and year out,Duke has to lose how many games (we may never know)before they fall out of the top 25. No one(in the media) will even talk about the mess at UNC and KU's zillion year run as Big 12 champs is glorified even though a NBA all-star team probably couldn't get a win on KU's home court(the entire team would foul out)
Compared to the other 3 UK doesn't get a fair shake on the court,in the media or by the NCAA. There is little that can be done about it other than to recognize that the bias exists and to point it out at times that it is so blatantly obvious that anyone who is watching can see it.
Look at the polls year in and year out,Duke has to lose how many games (we may never know)before they fall out of the top 25. No one(in the media) will even talk about the mess at UNC and KU's zillion year run as Big 12 champs is glorified even though a NBA all-star team probably couldn't get a win on KU's home court(the entire team would foul out)
Compared to the other 3 UK doesn't get a fair shake on the court,in the media or by the NCAA. There is little that can be done about it other than to recognize that the bias exists and to point it out at times that it is so blatantly obvious that anyone who is watching can see it.
Sheesh. Home crowds affect officials no matter if it's at Kansas, UK, Duke, UNC or wherever. We get the benefit of the whistle at home just like all the others. It's human nature to be affected by the crowd. I don't think we got a favorable whistle at Kansas. But neither do I think it was out of line. Free throw disparity does not mean it was unfair.
Yeah,we pushed(or threw) a guy out of bounds and he was called for being out of bounds
I can feel every other schools fans laughing at this thread right now. They are mocking us because they ALL feel that we are the epitome of Home cooking. Just read any UofL, KU, UNC (any SEC school) forums before we play them here at Rupp and you'll see that they all feel that we created the term "Home cooking".
It's a fact that the Refs are going to be swayed by the heat of a hyped up crowd more than a docile one. And since we have a good home crowd environment we benefit from some beneficial calls from time to time. Just like any other school does when they have a live, active crowd.
Now I feel that KU did get calls to go their way but we need to get over it and stop making threads like this, opposing fans just use it as fuel against us. We lost but we will be stronger because of it. Hopefully we show that Tuesday and we take the crowd out of it.
It's a fact that the Refs are going to be swayed by the heat of a hyped up crowd more than a docile one. And since we have a good home crowd environment we benefit from some beneficial calls from time to time. Just like any other school does when they have a live, active crowd.
Now I feel that KU did get calls to go their way but we need to get over it and stop making threads like this, opposing fans just use it as fuel against us. We lost but we will be stronger because of it. Hopefully we show that Tuesday and we take the crowd out of it.
Other fans are going to say what they say and feel how they feel no matter what we post here,College basketball doesn't like us,they don't like Cal,they didn't like Rupp we may as well tell it like it is and have the satisfaction of telling the truth that they don't want to hear.
We don't get nearly as favorable a whistle as Duke or Kansas when playing at home, but overall we do get more calls go our way at Rupp.
Referee homerism is perhaps the biggest problem in college basketball today.
Referee homerism is perhaps the biggest problem in college basketball today.
Selden would score 50 points, 45 of them on free throws.
alabama seemed to get a real raw deal at rupp against one of the good tubby teams--03 or 04
same with minnesota in the final four in 97
other than that, can't remember much
meanwhile at least two duke titles are blatantly ref-aided: 2010 and 2001
same with minnesota in the final four in 97
other than that, can't remember much
meanwhile at least two duke titles are blatantly ref-aided: 2010 and 2001
Home cooking is to be expected. What happened the other night was well beyond that. Last game I remember us getting shafted this hard was against UNC on the road a few years ago, where basically everyone fouled out that game too.
If you get a chance, go back and watch our 1984 NCAA tourney game against Illinois.
While you can make a case that each of the controversial calls that went our way were correct, I can't imagine getting ANY of those calls in our favor on the road, and probably not at a neutral site either.
That games was one of the main reasons the NCAA passed a rule preventing a team from playing on its home court during the tournament.
While you can make a case that each of the controversial calls that went our way were correct, I can't imagine getting ANY of those calls in our favor on the road, and probably not at a neutral site either.
That games was one of the main reasons the NCAA passed a rule preventing a team from playing on its home court during the tournament.
Coach Rupp used to say, we get the same officiating the Southeastern Conference at home and away...road officiating.
I think out of al the blue blood programs we get the least favorable home whistle. If you'd shown me the FT attempts for both teams Saturday, I'd guessed Kansas attacked the paint and we settled for jump shots all game. Clearly that wasnt the case.
This is 100% correct and the only thing i'll add is that Duke is the poster child for getting call's at home. I believe there have been multiple years where Duke made more free throws then then there opponents even attempted for the year. I don't think that should ever be the case unless your entire conference plays like Iowa State or Villanova and shoots only jump shots. The ACC has plenty of teams that can consistently drive to the rim....
No, we really don't. At least not 47 FTs worth, lmfao. We do not get what other blue bloods get, that's for sure.
However, I believe this is Kentucky's own fault. Officiating discrepancies between home and away is arguably the worst in college basketball, more than any other sport. And I think that's directly related to the atmosphere, where students are sometimes 5 feet from the officials. It's much easier to get a rocking basketball arena than a football stadium the size of some towns. And because of that, I do think officials placate to the home crowd.
Bring in Rupp Arena, which is in a way the anti-Allen Field house. No noise. Lame student section, people practically asleep. The other team can focus 100% cause it's quiet. The only thing intimidating is the number of people and history.. that's it.
They talked about Rupp getting some $30 mil renovations? I really hope those are to make a legit student section.
However, I believe this is Kentucky's own fault. Officiating discrepancies between home and away is arguably the worst in college basketball, more than any other sport. And I think that's directly related to the atmosphere, where students are sometimes 5 feet from the officials. It's much easier to get a rocking basketball arena than a football stadium the size of some towns. And because of that, I do think officials placate to the home crowd.
Bring in Rupp Arena, which is in a way the anti-Allen Field house. No noise. Lame student section, people practically asleep. The other team can focus 100% cause it's quiet. The only thing intimidating is the number of people and history.. that's it.
They talked about Rupp getting some $30 mil renovations? I really hope those are to make a legit student section.
No reason a program like Kentucky shouldn't have a top3 hardest venue to play in. The other team shouldn't even be able to think as they dribble the ball up the court.
As far as I'm concerned, Rupp doesn't even crack the top25.
As far as I'm concerned, Rupp doesn't even crack the top25.
You make good(and obvious)points if folks think about it,I fear that the makeover won't change things at all.
Tell me the Last time we shot 47 free throws against another blueblood program at RUPP?
Almost all home teams get some measure of "home cooking". UK is no exception to this. The difference is, we get ours every now and then and it is nowhere near as blatant as what KU got on Saturday. Some schools like Kansas and Duke get some form of home cooking almost every time they step onto their court.
