Is this the most down CBB has been in recent memory?
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It's only going to get worse in afraid. The rise of nBDL is gonna leave college basketball with less and less talent every year.
Most everybody that could go went last year(a few that shouldn't did anyway)The class that came in wasn't as strong as usual and the went all over the map instead of going in 3 or 4 player groups to strong basketball schools. We should have seen it coming,last year was a wierd class and cbb is living with that this year.
Something really needs to be done about the "one and done" rule. I'd just as well let these kids go pro out of high school, but if they decide to go to college they have to stay 3 years or so. The quality of play is not as good as it was decades ago, simple as that.
I don't really think it's down. There are alot of good teams this yr...just no elite teams. Oklahoma, unc, etc are all really good...there's just not a UK, duke, wisky caliber team fron last yr.
2013 was the worst yr I've seen for basketball and the numbers show it. It was the lowest combined scoring avg in the modern era of basketball.
2013 was the worst yr I've seen for basketball and the numbers show it. It was the lowest combined scoring avg in the modern era of basketball.
2015 Kentucky, Duke, and Wisconsin would steam roll the 2016 season if any of them had those teams now.
2013 was one of the worst years in CBB. The number 1 draft pick was Anthony Bennett.
Not next year. There should be four excellent teams, UK, Duke, Michigan State and UCLA.
And a crap Lil bro team won it all. Tells you all you need to know.
I'm no proponent of a 3 year rule like CFB but if CBB had one we'd be like Alabama 4 titles in 7 years with the raw talent Cal has brought in.
2013 was so bad that I heard they decided to not even crown a champion. Oh wait...
I'd take '13 Louisville over any team this year. You're touting a Carolina team whose adjD is #66 right now.
dook had a horrible D rating last year too. UNC is unfortunately the best team, their bigs would eat up oklahomas no problem.
Throw in KU (should have Mason, Graham, Greene, Mykhailiuk, Bragg, and Lucas back at least) and the top 5 should be very good.
UK will play Michigan St. and UCLA, plus there is some talk about KU making a visit to Rupp for the Big 12/SEC challenge. Throw in a game with UNC and the annual tilt with UofL and that is a tough non-conference schedule. That slate should really get us ready for the tourney.
Duke was a young team that improved its D throughout the season and had a guy named Justice Winslow who was so good defensively, he made everyone better. UNC is a veteran team that has no such player.
It is really hard to tell. The fact that a bunch of top 25 teams are getting beat is simply because the gap between the top and middle tier teams has closed. It is either the top isn't as good, or it's that the middle has gotten significantly better. As for the quality of basketball from years ago, you can thank the officials for that. Touch fouls that used to be called are no longer called, and it seems as though they are allowing more and more contact in the paint. It gradually got to this point, as officials just got tired of calling fouls all the time, which has restricted offensive flow, which is exactly what people point to when having the opinion that basketball is not as good today as yesteryear.
I agree. It's the NBA's rule but they could modify it. Any kid that wants to jump can go to the developmental league where they can be evaluated better and the players can actually concentrate on basketball instead of classes.
I also like your "3 years minimum" stipulation. That would really strengthen CBB.
I actually think UNC is a really good team, and could become a great team but they have to figure out how to defend. They are the best team this year IMO, and could separate themselves if they learn to guard somebody. They have a dynamic offense with a ton of weapons, they just can't guard anyone. Even in some of their wins they've given up 80 and 90 points. I believe f they can start holding teams in the mid to upper 60's they will become a clear favorite.
Look, I get aggravated every time someone says "this is a down year". It's said by 100 people every year on this board. In my opinion that means cbb is what it is, last year certainly wasn't a down year but it was said time and time again on here: "it's just a down year this year blah blah blah blah". I hate it.
But you know what? Even I am saying this is a down year. When Oklahoma takes the #1 spot with one top notch player and an average coach it's a down year. UK and Duke are down. KU is….. Well they're where they usually are which is overrated.
Miami is in the top 10, Michigan State just lost 3 in a row. 2 of them at home.
North Carolina is on top and they didn't even have to cheat to get there so trust me, it's a down year.
There is a lot of parity this year. More than I can remember. And if the one and done continues to stay, it will continue to rise. The unranked schools can continue to build teams with 4 years guys and clip these one and done schools during the regular season on occasion and in the tourney.
Judging by the product we see on the floor every night I'm going to go out on a limb and say the top, middle, bottom, left side, right side, 2 o-clock position, 4 o-click position, 8 o-clock position and 10 o-clock position are all down.
UNC is the same every year, they score in bunches but also get scored ON in bunches. They win games 94-80 against teams like Georgia Tech. If you allow bad teams to hang 75+ on you in your house consistently you have defensive issues and that is UNC every year under RW.
college basketball is very dependent on elite freshman actually being elite because coaching and player development across the board is so bad.
99% of the teams out there dont have to worry about one and done freshman. yet they suck anyways.
99% of the teams out there dont have to worry about one and done freshman. yet they suck anyways.
Yeah still dook was so bad, so utterly horrible at D that coach k played a zone D for the first time in eons. And UNC has had bad defensive teams in the past win the NC, the hansbrough team comes to mind. Wasnt till the tourney with a favorable draw mind you that dook actually sacked up and played some d.
I think of it more as parity, but college basketball has some problems no doubt. It can be just painful to watch at times. I'm not in favor of requiring basketball players to stay 3 years, but I'd certainly sign off on 2. Combine that with letting guys go directly out of HS if they think they can. So go, but if you come stay at least 2. I'm not strongly opposed to 3, but I'd like to start with 2 first. I think 3 could get some guys to declare straight out of HS who probably shouldn't. I personally would add in a rule that allows HS seniors to declare, but then still be able to change their minds and go to school. For at least that 2-3 years. I don't see the point in punishing an 17-18 year old for making a bad decision though I realize it would complicate recruiting some. Just my opinions of course. Who know what if anything the NCAA and NBA will do.
Down, or just more balanced? To me, a "down" year isn't when the top 25 gets beaten on a daily basis by non-ranked teams. It's when 10 of the top 25 are undefeated or have only 1 loss by nearly February. It's when the non-ranked teams stand no chance against any team ranked higher than 15.
I'd say this year is just more balanced, which I like particularly because with how our team is playing, unpredictable results give us hope we might go pretty far in March.
That's the problem- people have different definitions.
I consider a year down when the elite talent level- both teams and individuals- is lower than usual. This year certainly fits that description- the NBA prospects are horrible and the best teams aren't that impressive.
I'm not sure about a "down" year because we can't really have teams from different years play each other. I do believe there is a lot of parity between the top teams. The tourney may go to the hot team out of 16 1-4 seeds or this could be a Cinderella year. Its shaping up like one of those years where if they played the tourney 5 times, they might get 5 different winners.
Until the ' One and done " rule is changed, it will be this way. The idiotic NBA players union will not compromise, and this allows rookies to come in and take roster spots from 7, 8, 9 year veterans who are union members.
Talk about stupid, years ago rookies would sign huge long term contracts, then struggle in the league. They would however, be making more than established, productive veteran players, and doing less. Hence came the Rookie Salary Cap, a very fair rule for both players and teams.
A 2 year college stay should be mandatory, it would benefit both College and NBA teams !
Talk about stupid, years ago rookies would sign huge long term contracts, then struggle in the league. They would however, be making more than established, productive veteran players, and doing less. Hence came the Rookie Salary Cap, a very fair rule for both players and teams.
A 2 year college stay should be mandatory, it would benefit both College and NBA teams !
