Is this even legal

[K_TIME]

Look...I think Urban Meyer is poor person and deserved to get fired from NFL. But you sign a contract....you sign a contract. Owe the man his money and quit making bad decisions. I thought when Tennessee went this rout on Pruitt contract....it's just a way of a team to stiff on a contract when it does not work out.

Jags don't play to Meyer his contract

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Look...I think Urban Meyer is poor person and deserved to get fired from NFL. But you sign a contract....you sign a contract. Owe the man his money and quit making bad decisions. I thought when Tennessee went this rout on Pruitt contract....it's just a way of a team to stiff on a contract when it does not work out.

Jags don't play to Meyer his contract

The owner said Meyers lack of answers for the problems after a shut out sealed the deal??? That will kill their "for cause" claim.

 

[Freetaxreturn]

Look...I think Urban Meyer is poor person and deserved to get fired from NFL. But you sign a contract....you sign a contract. Owe the man his money and quit making bad decisions. I thought when Tennessee went this rout on Pruitt contract....it's just a way of a team to stiff on a contract when it does not work out.

Jags don't play to Meyer his contract

Something is up if his contractual counsel can’t get him his money 🍺

 

[YaketySax]

This won't make it to a civil trial. They'll settle and Meyer will get some. Jags prob have enough ammo to blur the lines - with public and non-public info - on the issue of "cause". It'll be in both parties interests to compromise and then both get to declare victory.

 

[cidsports]

He was once a successful football coach.

 

[southindycat]

Khan is a fool if he doesn't pry back the better part of any buyout that might arguably be due Meyer. Saying he doesn't intend paying it at all is where the negotiations start. Yakety is spot on.

 

[hmt5000]

Kicking the kicker will haunt Urban in the legal proceedings.

 

[TruBluCatFan]

Look...I think Urban Meyer is poor person and deserved to get fired from NFL. But you sign a contract....you sign a contract. Owe the man his money and quit making bad decisions. I thought when Tennessee went this rout on Pruitt contract....it's just a way of a team to stiff on a contract when it does not work out.

Jags don't play to Meyer his contract

To answer your question, yes. All high level contracts like this have termination for cause clauses in them to protect the employer. Being a loser on the field is not going to be a for cause termination. All the off the field and locker room dissension will be part of it.

 

[JHB4UK]

Orgs more & more doing this. Like our friends in Knoxville, who claim Pruitt cheated his ass off, but apparently not bad enough for them to self punish even a half a scholarship.

So what are agents like Sexton gonna do? Simple, start demanding the removal or very strict limiting of for-cause sections of coaches contracts.

 

[K_TIME]

Good comments all around. I guess it's sort of a contract you want to enforce when the coach is not what you expect vs. a contract you don't enforce when the coach is winning is what my issue with it is.

-Belicheck was basically caught cheating in spy-gate....but we won't enforce that one for sure
-Andy Reid's son killed a woman while coaching on staff (not him personally though) and we won't enforce that one for sure
- Sean Payton and bounty gate was on his watch....but no way he's giong to get fired

I think these things have no place in contracts to be honest. If you make a bad hire...eat the contract and learn how to make better decisions.

 

[ukalum1988]

Look...I think Urban Meyer is poor person and deserved to get fired from NFL. But you sign a contract....you sign a contract. Owe the man his money and quit making bad decisions. I thought when Tennessee went this rout on Pruitt contract....it's just a way of a team to stiff on a contract when it does not work out.

Jags don't play to Meyer his contract

I’ll start with the disclaimer that I’m not a lawyer…. but college and professional coaching contracts are generally guaranteed for the duration of the contract. OTOH, it’s also standard to have “for cause” language in these contracts that if a coach violates NCAA / NFL rules or engages in criminal conduct, then that coach can be fired without the guaranteed money.

Essentially, at that point the coach would be considered to have violated the contract.

In the case of Jeremy Pruitt, UT had pretty solid grounds to fire him for cause. Urban Meyer’s case is different…. while it’s obvious he’s a pretty sh!tty person, the caee for a “for cause” firing is a bit murkier…. although if the reports of him striking (kicking) a player are true, that may give the Jaguars the leeway to establish “for cause” termination.

Ultimately, this will be for the lawyers and Urban’s agent to fight about.

 

[TruBluCatFan]

Good comments all around. I guess it's sort of a contract you want to enforce when the coach is not what you expect vs. a contract you don't enforce when the coach is winning is what my issue with it is.

-Belicheck was basically caught cheating in spy-gate....but we won't enforce that one for sure
-Andy Reid's son killed a woman while coaching on staff (not him personally though) and we won't enforce that one for sure
- Sean Payton and bounty gate was on his watch....but no way he's giong to get fired

I think these things have no place in contracts to be honest. If you make a bad hire...eat the contract and learn how to make better decisions.

Coaches don’t have to agree to them. Most contracts at that level, both in and outside of sports have termination clauses in them, both for cause and without cause. In almost all instances being fired without cause gets the remainder of your contract paid.

Without for cause termination clauses you give the coach/employee no reason to do what you want them to do. For the most far fetched examples, Baylor would have been stuck paying Dave Bliss after he tried to cover up a murder or Penn State paying Paterno for allowing Sandusky to rape children.

Bad coaching hires usually get all the contract paid. It’s when it goes beyond the win/loss that gets into for cause.

 

[Ugoff]

If true, kicking the kicker will damage his case, however, if he had been winning games he could have kicked a cheerleader and no one would have heard about it. Funny how these little stories start to leak out when the coach blows.

 

[Glenn's take]

I would like to see video of him "kicking" the kicker.

 

[BlueTick2]

Ultimately, this will be for the lawyers and Urban’s agent to fight about.

As usual the lawyers will win regardless of which side their on.

 

[Kicking ass in the bluegrass]

Urban’s wife might be the wildcard as to how hard he fights or if he litigates to collect his money. Likely this gets settled without a lawsuit after posturing by both sides.

 

[TruBluCatFan]

I would like to see video of him "kicking" the kicker.

So your take is it didn’t happen Glenn?

 

[Glenn's take]

So your take is it didn’t happen Glenn?

My take is that kicked can mean different things and I don't know what it means in this case. A kick can mean rearing back and kicking him with everything you have or it can mean tapping him with your foot with 2 pounds of force. That's why I would like to see video.

 

[TruBluCatFan]

My take is that kicked can mean different things and I don't know what it means in this case. A kick can mean rearing back and kicking him with everything you have or it can mean tapping him with your foot with 2 pounds of force. That's why I would like to see video.

Well it was enough of a kick that Lambo got in Meyer’s face and told him “don’t ever effing kick me again.” Can’t imagine a player doing that for a love tap kick.

 

[Glenn's take]

Well it was enough of a kick that Lambo got in Meyer’s face and told him “don’t ever effing kick me again.” Can’t imagine a player doing that for a love tap kick.

I'm not claiming to have an opinion. I just know words have different meanings based on people's needs.

 

[TruBluCatFan]

Biggest bust: Ryan Leaf. Second pick in 1998 draft behind Peyton Manning, played 4 years for 4 different teams and did next to nothing. To be fair, his problems were more mental than physical. Biggest surprise: Tom Brady. Selected 199th in the 2000 draft, and became the NFL GOAT.

What?

 

[The-Hack]

When the final story is written, just how crazy a b@stard will Meyer prove to have been?

 

[ace on the river]

Biggest bust: Ryan Leaf. Second pick in 1998 draft behind Peyton Manning, played 4 years for 4 different teams and did next to nothing. To be fair, his problems were more mental than physical. Biggest surprise: Tom Brady. Selected 199th in the 2000 draft, and became the NFL GOAT.

Go to bed, you're drunk

 

[Johnfarrel]

What?

What, What?

 

[Johnfarrel]

What?

Sorry, posted in wrong thread. See Biggest Bust and Biggest Surprise thread.

 

[Johnfarrel]

Go to bed, you're drunk

Not drunk. Just posted in wrong thread. See Biggest Bust and Biggest Surprise thread.

 

[TruBluCatFan]

Sorry, posted in wrong thread. See Biggest Bust and Biggest Surprise thread.

Now that post makes a lot more sense. LOL

 

[Dncmaxwell]

Look...I think Urban Meyer is poor person and deserved to get fired from NFL. But you sign a contract....you sign a contract. Owe the man his money and quit making bad decisions. I thought when Tennessee went this rout on Pruitt contract....it's just a way of a team to stiff on a contract when it does not work out.

Jags don't play to Meyer his contract

All contracts have out clauses. For cause.. force Majour…

if you kick a player and do stuff that makes the team look bad (which he did), then the team can execute it.
If Urban wants to sue, he can.

yess it is all perfectly legal…and very common across the board…

 

[Johnfarrel]

Go to bed, you're drunk

Not drunk. Just posted in wrong thread. See Biggest Bust and Biggest Surprise thread.

Now that post makes a lot more sense. LOL

I do enough weird things sober. I'd be a riot drunk.