Is the new 10 second rule confusing officials?

[crawfords corner]

We probably learned how to count to 10 by the time we were 3, maybe 4 years old. So, it's obviously not the counting to 10 part that's hard. It has to be the new rule.

With UK trailing late in that game against Tennessee there was a time out called at 1:47. The Tennessee ball handler was still in the back court with 25 seconds left.

Tennessee would go on to have the ball for an additional 12 seconds and scored 2 points which took the game from 77-74 and UK having the ball with a chance to tie to UT having a 5 point advantage.


UK likely still loses the game, but how can these officials continue to be scheduled high level basketball games if they don't know the rules they are supposed to officiate.

 

[keycard]

If a TO is called, the 10 second count restarts, just like it always has. However, the count doesn't restart after a defender knocks the ball out of bounds, or after a jump ball.

 

[BigBlueTom1]

If a TO is called, the 10 second call restarts, just like it always has. However, the count doesn't restart after a defender knocks the ball out of bounds, or after a jump ball.

I don't think it restarts even after a time out. It happened in the loserville game this year. They called time out in the back court, then came back and was called for the 10 second violation.

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

If a TO is called, the 10 second call restarts, just like it always has. However, the count doesn't restart after a defender knocks the ball out of bounds, or after a jump ball.

Since you said it... I've now got to question reality and the rules entirely. Card fans don't know the rules.... thats crazy talk.

 

[Doc_53]

With the 30 sec shot clock now the 10 seconds would expire at 20 seconds remaining.

 

[MacCard]

I don't think it restarts even after a time out. It happened in the loserville game this year. They called time out in the back court, then came back and was called for the 10 second violation.

The 10 second count restarts after a timeout. The play in question during the UL game was not a timeout, but a deflection by UK out of bounds. The 10 second count does not reset after a ball is knocked out of bounds, after there is a jumpball in the backcourt resulting in the offensive team retaining position, or a technical foul. In all other scenarios - including time outs - it resets the same as it always has.

Therefore, if the play occurred as the OP describes it, the officials were correct in giving UT a fresh 10 seconds to cross halfcourt.

There's been a lot of confusion because all the media reports about the rule change implied it never reset. The NCAA had to even put out a special clarification about it since there was so much confusion.

 

[keycard]

Since you said it... I've now got to question reality and the rules entirely. Card fans don't know the rules.... thats crazy talk.

Well, it appears that the Cards fans are the only ones in this thread who do know the rules.

 

[CatPhight]

Well, it appears that the Cards fans are the only ones in this thread who do know the rules.

You should know rules, they're posted all over campus.

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

well I knew the rules until you Card fans posted ... you guys had to go and screw up space time reality ... thanks for that by the way. Quick... you guys have to say something completely stupid just to keep reality from folding in on itself.

 

[keycard]

You should know rules, they're posted all over campus.

I attend UK medical school. Haven't seen those around.

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

I attend UK medical school. Haven't seen those around.

Then what the heck are you doing being a card fan? Switch over ...... before its too late

 

[CatPhight]

I attend UK medical school. Haven't seen those around.

You're in desperate need of a Cat-scan.

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

You should know rules, they're posted all over campus.

I'm going to steal the internet today... just so I can name you king for one day!!!

 

[Wall2Boogie]

I'm sure it confuses pitino more than anyone else.

 

[CatPhight]

I'm sure it confuses pitino more than anyone else.

He's got it figured out now though.

 

[gossie21]

The 10 second count restarts after a timeout. The play in question during the UL game was not a timeout, but a deflection by UK out of bounds. The 10 second count does not reset after a ball is knocked out of bounds, after there is a jumpball in the backcourt resulting in the offensive team retaining position, or a technical foul. In all other scenarios - including time outs - it resets the same as it always has.

Therefore, if the play occurred as the OP describes it, the officials were correct in giving UT a fresh 10 seconds to cross halfcourt.

There's been a lot of confusion because all the media reports about the rule change implied it never reset. The NCAA had to even put out a special clarification about it since there was so much confusion.

This is correct.

See item 9-10 on page 4.

If the defense knocks the ball out of bounds. Or if the defense gets a tie-up and the offense retains the ball. Or if the offense is assessed a Technical foul and retains possession, then the 10-seconds does not reset. For all other stoppages of the game clock (time out, injury, etc.) the 10-second count would reset.

 

[CatPhight]

Evidently Pimptino's been blowing up all over the Internet

 

[docholiday51]

It appears that there are several rules the officials are confused about for the past week or so.

 

[Hollcat]

So if the ball is knocked out of bounds = no reset, but what if there is a timeout called during that stoppage of play. Does the timeout reset the 10 second count or does the count continue because it was the deflection that stopped play. Wound it matter which team called the timeout during the dead ball?

 

[crawfords corner]

10 seconds does not apply if:

Teams will not be subject to the 10 second rule if the ball is knocked out of bounds by the defense.
-Did not happen in this case.

If there is a held ball and the arrow favors the offensive team.
-Did not happen in this case.

If technical foul is called on the offensive team while the ball is in the back court
-Did not happen here.

In the play in question, Tennessee did not have the ball and both feet established in the front court by the time 10 seconds were up. This is a turnover and UK should have been awarded the ball. At least that's the way I read it.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-ba...lock-fewer-timeouts-quarters-for-women-060815

 

[keycard]

10 seconds does not apply if:

Teams will not be subject to the 10 second rule if the ball is knocked out of bounds by the defense.
-Did not happen in this case.

If there is a held ball and the arrow favors the offensive team.
-Did not happen in this case.

If technical foul is called on the offensive team while the ball is in the back court
-Did not happen here.

In the play in question, Tennessee did not have the ball and both feet established in the front court by the time 10 seconds were up. This is a turnover and UK should have been awarded the ball. At least that's the way I read it.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-ba...lock-fewer-timeouts-quarters-for-women-060815

The author of that report has it backwards. The things he listed don't reset the count. A TO does.

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

What happens at 15 seconds? do you at least get to wipe up with a towel?

 

[willievic]

well I knew the rules until you Card fans posted ... you guys had to go and screw up space time reality ... thanks for that by the way. Quick... you guys have to say something completely stupid just to keep reality from folding in on itself.

Wildcat, when you talking about Quick, are you talking about the 15 sec. man, Pitno.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!

 

[ymmot31]

With the 30 sec shot clock now the 10 seconds would expire at 20 seconds remaining.

That is an excellent first post. Concise, accurate, illuminating. Kudos, welcome aboard.

 

[MacCard]

10 seconds does not apply if:

Teams will not be subject to the 10 second rule if the ball is knocked out of bounds by the defense.
-Did not happen in this case.

If there is a held ball and the arrow favors the offensive team.
-Did not happen in this case.

If technical foul is called on the offensive team while the ball is in the back court
-Did not happen here.

In the play in question, Tennessee did not have the ball and both feet established in the front court by the time 10 seconds were up. This is a turnover and UK should have been awarded the ball. At least that's the way I read it.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-ba...lock-fewer-timeouts-quarters-for-women-060815

Exactly. You listed the only 3 instances where the 10 second count does not reset to 10, none of which happened. So the count correctly reset to 10 on the timeout.

As far as the scenario where the ball is deflected out of bounds and then a timeout is called, I'm honestly not sure. My guess is the TO would supercede and the count would reset to 10, but I'm not for sure. I also don't know if it matters who calls the timeout.