Is Barbee considered a good recruiter?
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IMO, no. I think we need a younger, ex-player type that can relate to the kids and has that hungry attitude.
Not a fan of bringing in Barbee to replace Slice. Said it at the time.
Coach O was the man. Hard to replace! Just my opinion but I think coach payne does the best on the recruiting trail. Other than Cal of course.
Maybe it's me but almost every big name recruit of the past few years always mentions coach Payne. Payne helped get us Randle and dakari, lyles
You're talking about replacing a star of the big screen, and a former Harlem Globetrotter.
Tony is much better than Slice. Give him a chance. He just started in the position. Was unable to have contact as a director of basketball ops. He'll be terrific. Love to hear him speak. Players and families will love him.
I'm still trying to figure out who that Slice recruited and actually signed because of him.
I dont like Barbee as a recruiter either...Id like to see Cal bring in Jalen Rose.
As a head coach, his recruiting classes were unimpressive. As an assistant under Cal, he received recognition as an "excellent recruiter". His history without Cal leading the way suggests no. But now he has Cal again. Infer what you will.
Either way, he's probably here to stay because I doubt he gets another head coaching job that pays more than being a UK assistant anytime soon. Personally, I would like to see our coaching tree expand. Pitino was a master at that, and those guys striving to be a head coaches someday typically work harder on the recruiting trail.
Either way, he's probably here to stay because I doubt he gets another head coaching job that pays more than being a UK assistant anytime soon. Personally, I would like to see our coaching tree expand. Pitino was a master at that, and those guys striving to be a head coaches someday typically work harder on the recruiting trail.
Barbee was considered one of the top recruiters in the nation, that is why he he received his head coaching jobs. Everyone that knows recruiting knows this.
What? Common knowledge that Slice was Briscoe's lead recruiter.
- Slice has old friendsin the game from players to coaches. But what big name recruit has placed him in upper recruiter level?cFor one it wasn't like he was here since 09. Second coach O was hand in a lot of Cals recruits. The past four years, coach Payne was on the road with Cal. I laugh at the people even Memphis fans that think Pastner was a lead recruiter for Cal. Pastner was with Cal for little over a year. Long story short.Cal recommended Barbee for the Memphis job. Memphis thought Pastner was the link to Cals success. But it wasn't. At the end of the day it's JOHN CALIPARI and his recruiting success combined with UK and our history. That's the whole reason he was hired. Do you realize that when John wall and boogie were recruited that the kids nowadays were in elementary school. They could care less about assistants and tradition. They know the name . A six grader doesn't know if Pastner, slice , Orlando, or Payne recruited DRose, Wall, Cousins,Davis,julius, ect. At the end of the day it was John.Calipari and UK
That last remark is uncalled for as Jason is one of the more respected posters on this board. You have been extremely negative throughout this thread and now attack another poster. Mods would be wise to give you a little timeout, in my opinion.
it was made abundantly clear I was talking about Slice being as how my initial quote I used and responded to reads "I'm still trying to figure out who that Slice recruited and actually signed because of him."
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Some people are just dumb. I like it when they make it easy to decipher.
The dude isn't even worth your response, although I enjoyed the insightful nature of what you posted.
I am a D3 football coach, and while we don't recruit nationally, the exact same process that your described is how we develop relationships. We each have a city and surrounding area, being kids in, and the head man gives them the pitch.
Recruits that were secured during Tony Barbee's last stint with Cal:
Rodney Carney
Kendrick Perkins
Darius Washington Jr
Joey Dorsey
Shawne Williams
Robert Dozier
Chris Douglas-Roberts
Antonio Anderson
Willie Kemp
Doneal Mack
All of these guys played a major role in Memphis' success (minus Perkins because he jumped, but he did sign). Some guys were big time prospect and some were lesser known talents. I'm not sure how many of these guys were "Barbee's recruits" but I did notice Memphis had a steep drop-off in the amount and quality of recruits once Barbee left to take the UTEP job. I think Barbee with fill a void in our recruiting and surprise a lot of people.
I think too much emphasis is being placed on his head coaching stint at Auburn. That doesn't really hold any weight IMO. He's not at UK to be a head coach. He is an assistant and a recruiter so we should look at his success in those positions to see what he may be able to accomplish on the larger scale that is UK.
Rodney Carney
Kendrick Perkins
Darius Washington Jr
Joey Dorsey
Shawne Williams
Robert Dozier
Chris Douglas-Roberts
Antonio Anderson
Willie Kemp
Doneal Mack
All of these guys played a major role in Memphis' success (minus Perkins because he jumped, but he did sign). Some guys were big time prospect and some were lesser known talents. I'm not sure how many of these guys were "Barbee's recruits" but I did notice Memphis had a steep drop-off in the amount and quality of recruits once Barbee left to take the UTEP job. I think Barbee with fill a void in our recruiting and surprise a lot of people.
I think too much emphasis is being placed on his head coaching stint at Auburn. That doesn't really hold any weight IMO. He's not at UK to be a head coach. He is an assistant and a recruiter so we should look at his success in those positions to see what he may be able to accomplish on the larger scale that is UK.
it was made abundantly clear I was talking about Slice being as how my initial quote I used and responded to reads "I'm still trying to figure out who that Slice recruited and actually signed because of him."
Some people are just dumb. I like it when they make it easy to decipher.
One day I may do enough to get you to ignore me BUT, I won't do as much as this guy....Geez...
Yeah I read that before but an article that I read on Briscoe, and he said Cal had been on him since he was a freshman so that's way before Slice. Slice didn't really do anything for us that I can see. Except leave us hanging.
Still did you ever see any Slice recruits that we got. Heck, I might be able to get a guy to come if I had UK and Cal behind me, lol.
I'm still trying to figure out who all the 5 stars were Slice was rolling in to Pitt before he got to UK.
I do know that Barbee managed to even get hired as a head coach at UTEP and Auburn, while Slice has only managed a head job at mighty Manhattan.
Slice was the main contact regarding Briscoe but Isaiah has mentioned in more than interview that he views Kentucky as the highest level of college ball and that he wants to follow in the footsteps of guys like John Wall and Eric Bledsoe, two players who Cal signed before Slice ever dreamed of being at UK. I've yet to hear him even mention Slice. He signed with Kentucky due to our NBA success and past guards, and a guy named Calipari.
Barbee will be just fine recruiting for Cal. His time at Auburn is not a good gauge because A) Auburn has always struggled to not be a dumpster fire in basketball and B) recruiting as a head coach at a below average program and recruiting as an assistant for an elite program are two different situations.
I do know that Barbee managed to even get hired as a head coach at UTEP and Auburn, while Slice has only managed a head job at mighty Manhattan.
Slice was the main contact regarding Briscoe but Isaiah has mentioned in more than interview that he views Kentucky as the highest level of college ball and that he wants to follow in the footsteps of guys like John Wall and Eric Bledsoe, two players who Cal signed before Slice ever dreamed of being at UK. I've yet to hear him even mention Slice. He signed with Kentucky due to our NBA success and past guards, and a guy named Calipari.
Barbee will be just fine recruiting for Cal. His time at Auburn is not a good gauge because A) Auburn has always struggled to not be a dumpster fire in basketball and B) recruiting as a head coach at a below average program and recruiting as an assistant for an elite program are two different situations.
I thought you made that point earlier, he did nothing but help bring a guy on that Cal could have possibly gotten on his own. Slice was amazing recruiter.
Wow panties in a wad, calm down Jason it's called disagreeing!
I guess many like me just thought that he had potential to bring a few guys with him like Heron and Maker.
Pastner 1 season under Cal.
Antigua 1 season under Cal at Memphis.
So who actually gets the credit for what Cal did his last few years at Memphis?
Slice 1 season at UK
Antigua 5 seasons at UK
Payne 4' at UK
Barbee has 10 + years under Cal
Robic has 15 years total under Cal
Even Strickland has like 7 years under Cal. Strickland was a key factor in Wall, Rose, tyreke, Washington and other guards recruitment
I think coach Payne and coach O helped Cal the most with recent success in recruiting but Cal is close with Robic and Barbee they have played a big role in Caliparis recruiting over the years. But at the end of the day ITS JOHN CALIPARI RECRUITING THESE KIDS and getting them to come play for him. Not saying the others didn't help or pay their due on the road but the kids want to play for Cal. cal just needs someone he can trust and is on the same page as him. If Cal wants to,seal,the deal it's going to be him selling the brand not any of the assistants . Mothers love Cal. Just a few months ago,Cal invited bledsoes grandmother to,join him at an NBA game. It's relationships like this Cal builds with the families. No,assistant is doing that.
Antigua 1 season under Cal at Memphis.
So who actually gets the credit for what Cal did his last few years at Memphis?
Slice 1 season at UK
Antigua 5 seasons at UK
Payne 4' at UK
Barbee has 10 + years under Cal
Robic has 15 years total under Cal
Even Strickland has like 7 years under Cal. Strickland was a key factor in Wall, Rose, tyreke, Washington and other guards recruitment
I think coach Payne and coach O helped Cal the most with recent success in recruiting but Cal is close with Robic and Barbee they have played a big role in Caliparis recruiting over the years. But at the end of the day ITS JOHN CALIPARI RECRUITING THESE KIDS and getting them to come play for him. Not saying the others didn't help or pay their due on the road but the kids want to play for Cal. cal just needs someone he can trust and is on the same page as him. If Cal wants to,seal,the deal it's going to be him selling the brand not any of the assistants . Mothers love Cal. Just a few months ago,Cal invited bledsoes grandmother to,join him at an NBA game. It's relationships like this Cal builds with the families. No,assistant is doing that.
This next class will tell us all we need to know about Payne, Barbee and Robic as far as recruiting is concerned. There is a plethora of talent available. If they land a top 2 class, I think we will have the answer to our collective question.
That's a good point. I haven't thought of it like that
Also like I said earlier. These kids don't remember that far back. Most of the kids we are recruiting for this next class were in 5th grade when Wall and co. Came to UK. And further more Wall and that first class had nothing to go on but Cals success at Memphis . Kids sign because of the coach and recent success. It is what it is. They aren't diehard fans of UK or any other traditions like us fans. Our recruiting success is the brand Cal has built . I will say it again Calipari + UK is the perfect storm especially at this,point in CBB
I fully expect Cal to stick around another decade or so. He'll be 57 this winter, which is young by elite college coaching standards. K is still going strong at 68. Izzo will be 61. Pitino will be 63 in September. Roy turns 65 in a few weeks. Boeheim turns 71 in November. Calhoun was over 70 when he retired.
If Cal sticks it out until his mid to late sixties, I think UK's success rises to an even higher level (hard to imagine, but K being retired at that point will make Cal college basketball's elder statesman). He'll have the "old wise man" appeal that Calhoun had and that K currently has. Plus at that point, he'll presumably have around 30 guys actively playing in the NBA, and perhaps a few more Final Fours stashed away in his pocket.
I mean, people have to remember that trumping even Cal's passion for the game is his love for communicating. UK offers that platform unlike any other coaching job in the world. I think he knows that and loves it, and it is in part why UK has survived a second summer of LeBron's whimsical impulses and kept Cal around. Plus, it's clear he gains a sense of continuous, positive motivation with every new NBA green room filled with UK guys. He feels like he's changing the world on some level, and I think we see him at UK for the long haul as a result of all these factors.
Absolutely Saul, I too believe Cal is in the middle of a sensational series of events with every year fresh, exciting and motivating. Nothing dull about this. I'm awestruck all the flipping time as most big blue fans are. I definitely have a bird crush.
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