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Interesting facts about Rivals ratings and Super Bowl

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According to Mike and Mike this morning, of the 48 players starting in the Super Bowl (11+11+punter+kicker x 2) there were 0 5-stars, 8 4-stars, 9 3-stars and 31 2- or less-stars. Approximately 20% of the top 10 recruits in the past 5 years were eventually 1st round NFL picks. Alabama's previous four classes finished no worse than 6th and Ohio State's were almost as high. However, neither TCU or Baylor has had a top 25 class for the past 10 years. Two-time NFL Defensive Player of the Year, JJ Watt, was a 2-star coming out of HS.

It's a crapshoot. Having said all that, I'd still trade our class, however it turns out, for Bama's. But, it does show that it's a completely inexact science and pure speculation. Golic told the story of his son who was All Combine Team at the US Army All-Star Game in San Antonio as a junior (top jrs. are invited to a combine to showcase their skills at the same time srs. are playing the game). His son committed in March and declined invites to all the Nike, Under Armour, etc. camps and was given a 2-star rating (probably because they didn't have the opportunity to evaluate him). But, an All Combine of an all-star collection of juniors to a 2-star recruit three months later without playing any football in between? A very inexact science, indeed.
 
Originally posted by gamecockcat:
According to Mike and Mike this morning, of the 48 players starting in the Super Bowl (11+11+punter+kicker x 2) there were 0 5-stars, 8 4-stars, 9 3-stars and 31 2- or less-stars. Approximately 20% of the top 10 recruits in the past 5 years were eventually 1st round NFL picks. Alabama's previous four classes finished no worse than 6th and Ohio State's were almost as high. However, neither TCU or Baylor has had a top 25 class for the past 10 years. Two-time NFL Defensive Player of the Year, JJ Watt, was a 2-star coming out of HS.

It's a crapshoot. Having said all that, I'd still trade our class, however it turns out, for Bama's. But, it does show that it's a completely inexact science and pure speculation. Golic told the story of his son who was All Combine Team at the US Army All-Star Game in San Antonio as a junior (top jrs. are invited to a combine to showcase their skills at the same time srs. are playing the game). His son committed in March and declined invites to all the Nike, Under Armour, etc. camps and was given a 2-star rating (probably because they didn't have the opportunity to evaluate him). But, an All Combine of an all-star collection of juniors to a 2-star recruit three months later without playing any football in between? A very inexact science, indeed.
The avg 4 year class for the past 3 national champions...

Bama 2
FSU 3
OSU 4

Or close to that....We are not trying to win the super bowl....
 
Originally posted by AbsoluteCats:
Originally posted by gamecockcat:
According to Mike and Mike this morning, of the 48 players starting in the Super Bowl (11+11+punter+kicker x 2) there were 0 5-stars, 8 4-stars, 9 3-stars and 31 2- or less-stars. Approximately 20% of the top 10 recruits in the past 5 years were eventually 1st round NFL picks. Alabama's previous four classes finished no worse than 6th and Ohio State's were almost as high. However, neither TCU or Baylor has had a top 25 class for the past 10 years. Two-time NFL Defensive Player of the Year, JJ Watt, was a 2-star coming out of HS.

It's a crapshoot. Having said all that, I'd still trade our class, however it turns out, for Bama's. But, it does show that it's a completely inexact science and pure speculation. Golic told the story of his son who was All Combine Team at the US Army All-Star Game in San Antonio as a junior (top jrs. are invited to a combine to showcase their skills at the same time srs. are playing the game). His son committed in March and declined invites to all the Nike, Under Armour, etc. camps and was given a 2-star rating (probably because they didn't have the opportunity to evaluate him). But, an All Combine of an all-star collection of juniors to a 2-star recruit three months later without playing any football in between? A very inexact science, indeed.
The avg 4 year class for the past 3 national champions...

Bama 2
FSU 3
OSU 4

Or close to that....We are not trying to win the super bowl....

This. It's no crap shoot. Teams that recruit 4 and 5 star recruits beat teams that recruit 2 stars every day of the week. During the season we were justifying the losses by saying we didn't have the recruits and now that recruiting has taken a nose dive we are trying to say that recruiting doesn't matter. We need to keep pace with other SEC teams to be successful.
 
Malcolm Butler, the guy who won the game with a touchdown saving pass interception, is a free agent from West Alabama.
 
And yet, the past two years, Missouri has won the SEC East with very mediocre recruiting, relative to the rest of the SEC. I'm definitely not in the 'stars don't matter' camp - far from it. I'm just saying that a player's willingness to work and get better and stay in school and not get arrested and avoid injury and work even harder is almost impossible to judge at this point in time. Under Joker, the few big-time recruits we signed almost without exception turned out to be duds (a huge percentage, anyway).

Do I wish we'd kept all those decommits? Absolutely. On paper, would our class have been much stronger? Again, obviously. Would it have been better on the field in the next few years? No way to tell. Oddsmakers would say yes but it would be very close to 50-50 odds. Stoops has evaluated talent at the highest levels for a while now so I'm gonna trust that he knows a player when he sees him.
 
yeah, heard that fact thrown around last week. but is the roster of a superbowl team representative of what it takes to build a college football team, not exactly.

Wonder how many former 5 star recruits were selected to the Pro Bowl this year, or who had all-pro seasons? I'm guessing it is quite a few.
 
Originally posted by Blue Decade:
Malcolm Butler, the guy who won the game with a touchdown saving pass interception, is a free agent from West Alabama.
How many games did west Alabama win against SEC teams while he was there?
 
Originally posted by SaguaroCat:

Originally posted by Blue Decade:
Malcolm Butler, the guy who won the game with a touchdown saving pass interception, is a free agent from West Alabama.
How many games did west Alabama win against SEC teams while he was there?
What does that have to do with the thread?
 
Originally posted by Blue Decade:

Originally posted by SaguaroCat:

Originally posted by Blue Decade:
Malcolm Butler, the guy who won the game with a touchdown saving pass interception, is a free agent from West Alabama.
How many games did west Alabama win against SEC teams while he was there?
What does that have to do with the thread?
It has to do with this, unless your coach is Bill Belicheck or Pete Carroll I'll take 85 Ha Ha Clinton Dix's and you take 85 Malcom Butler's and we'll see who comes out on top.

This post was edited on 2/4 10:08 AM by miracle7s
 
Originally posted by miracle7s:
Originally posted by Blue Decade:
Originally posted by SaguaroCat:
Originally posted by Blue Decade:
Malcolm Butler, the guy who won the game with a touchdown saving pass interception, is a free agent from West Alabama.
How many games did west Alabama win against SEC teams while he was there?
What does that have to do with the thread?
It has to do with this, unless your coach is Bill Belicheck or Pete Carroll I'll take 85 Ha Ha Clinton Dix's and you take 85 Malcom Butler's and we'll see who comes out on top.

This post was edited on 2/4 10:08 AM by miracle7s
So it doesn't have anything to do with the thread.
 
Misleading stat. Star rating is an attempt to predetermine a players likelihood for success in college football; not the NFL.

The NFL is so different. Thats why alot of great college players completely flop in the NFL.
 
Originally posted by USMC Cat:
I'd imagine there are 10x as many 2 and 3 stars as 4 and 5 stars.
There are roughly 100x 2* - 2500 - as 5* - 25 - each year.
 
Here is some interesting stuff from an article last year for 5 star recruits from 2002-2010:

- 5 stars make up about 1% of high school players signed every year by FBS teams.
- Of the 250 5 stars over that period (2002-2010) that played college football and did not have a career ending injury in college or ended up in jail, 116 were drafted (46%).
- Of the 116 drafted, 42 were first round picks.

Considering there were about 23,000 high school kids that signed with FBS schools over that time period, and only 250 of those were 5 stars, it's not a total shock that certain teams would not start any 5 star players.
 
Originally posted by Blue Decade:
Originally posted by miracle7s:
Originally posted by Blue Decade:
Originally posted by SaguaroCat:
Originally posted by Blue Decade:
Malcolm Butler, the guy who won the game with a touchdown saving pass interception, is a free agent from West Alabama.
How many games did west Alabama win against SEC teams while he was there?
What does that have to do with the thread?
It has to do with this, unless your coach is Bill Belicheck or Pete Carroll I'll take 85 Ha Ha Clinton Dix's and you take 85 Malcom Butler's and we'll see who comes out on top.

This post was edited on 2/4 10:08 AM by miracle7s
So it doesn't have anything to do with the thread.
what does this thread have to do with UK football?
 
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